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Mark Rosenzweig October 7th, 2014 04:24 PM

GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Fall colors in 4K (Protune color, wide):


Cloud time-lapse in 4K, cropped from 4:3 12MP stills (Protune color, wide, fixed WB):


Matt Sharp October 7th, 2014 08:20 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Can you enable download of the original files on vimeo?

Mark Rosenzweig October 8th, 2014 06:14 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Sharp (Post 1864072)
Can you enable download of the original files on vimeo?

Yes, and all my 4K posted videos can be downloaded (the 4K version), if you register with Vimeo (free).

Mark Rosenzweig October 8th, 2014 06:15 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 

Protune color, wide.

Jody Arnott October 9th, 2014 02:42 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Wow, it's very sharp. I'm impressed. Thanks for the samples.

Mark Rosenzweig October 9th, 2014 07:56 PM

4K Wide versus 4K Superview
 

Bryce Comer October 9th, 2014 11:26 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Thanks for sharing all these clips Mark,
Are you liking the camera so far? The images seem very nice. Looking at your last series of clips comparing the different viewing angles, i notice there seems to me some vignetting on the top corners in the superwide mode. Also looks to be more CA on high contrast edges at the edges of the frame. What view would you think you are more likely to use?
Thanks,
Bryce

Kyle Root October 10th, 2014 07:58 AM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Thank you for sharing these!

Looks like a worthy upgrade to my Hero2.

Mark Rosenzweig October 10th, 2014 08:01 AM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryce Comer (Post 1864393)
Thanks for sharing all these clips Mark,
Are you liking the camera so far? The images seem very nice. Looking at your last series of clips comparing the different viewing angles, i notice there seems to me some vignetting on the top corners in the superwide mode. Also looks to be more CA on high contrast edges at the edges of the frame. What view would you think you are more likely to use?
Thanks,
Bryce

I am pleasantly surprised by the quality (in 4K), and am learning the camera's quirks. I do see the slight vignetting in the Superview (I see it upper too). I do not think there is more CA - there is some CA in some shots, but I do not think that is a property of how much of the sensor is being read. On the other hand, it seems to me there is more detail in the Superview - the additional info is used well, evidently.

The upshot to me is that one can use either view and get good quality, in 4K, so the choice will depend on the type of shot.

Noa Put October 10th, 2014 08:10 AM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
If anyone says that 4K does not have advantages, even when viewed in 1080p, they are obvious blind :) I also find the detail remarkable for such a tiny box, how long can you record before the battery dies?
I never had a gopro but might get the black version now, I don't do any extreme sports, unless you would call walking down and up the stairs to my office several times a day some form of exercise, I do think I will find some use for this thing during the weddings I shoot. Most interested in it's widest angle setting and that seems pretty detailed.

Mark Rosenzweig October 10th, 2014 08:23 AM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Noa Put (Post 1864424)
If anyone says that 4K does not have advantages, even when viewed in 1080p, they are obvious blind :) I also find the detail remarkable for such a tiny box, how long can you record before the battery dies?
I never had a gopro but might get the black version now, I don't do any extreme sports, unless you would call walking down and up the stairs to my office several times a day some form of exercise, I do think I will find some use for this thing during the weddings I shoot. Most interested in it's widest angle setting and that seems pretty detailed.

I agree, Noa, that 4K video quality is obvious no matter how viewed. I have been trying to get that across to the GoPro community, who cannot understand the advantages of 4K (they think they need 4K viewers) and have actually not seen many examples of 4K video at all. "HD is fine," they say. I point out that they are not actually getting HD.

The specs say that you can continuously shoot 4K for 1 hour 5 minutes; 50 minutes with the LCD back. I have not tested this, as my shooting so far consists of short clips, with lcd back on, and lots of fiddling to try out things.

One nice thing about the removable lcd back is that you can frame the shot and set the parameters of the shot with it on, and then just take it off for the actual shooting, saving battery life (it just snaps in and out, no screws to turn). With the GoPro "frame" rather than the waterproof case (useful only for those who dive, surf, swim, and sail), you have access to all the ports, and can attach a stereo mic, a monitor (HDMI) and even headphones (to the lcd back only). There is also an ND filter you can press on.

Noa Put October 10th, 2014 08:45 AM

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Is there a lcd that snaps on? I read the black version was without lcd and that the lcd screen was only with the silver version, is that lcd screen a paid option? Recording time is more then fine, thx for that info.

Mark Rosenzweig October 10th, 2014 09:18 AM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Noa Put (Post 1864434)
Is there a lcd that snaps on? I read the black version was without lcd and that the lcd screen was only with the silver version, is that lcd screen a paid option? Recording time is more then fine, thx for that info.

Yes, it's tiny - adds little to size or weight, and costs US$79. I like the modular approach better.

One other point - there is Protune 'flat' mode, which enables color grading to one's liking (even a setting with no WB set by the camera). This better enables GoPro video clips to mix in with video from other cameras (like the AX100), which have a different color look. Apparently, many filmmakers and professional documentarians are mixing in GoPro shots. GoPro, the company, is simultaneously trying to appeal to surfer dudes and video and film pros. And lets not talk about drone flyers...

Lynne Whelden October 10th, 2014 06:24 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Did you use some program to remove the "fisheye" look (I only noticed bent lines once)?

Also, what was causing the momentary "hiss" in the audio for a lot (but not all) the shots?

Mark Rosenzweig October 10th, 2014 06:32 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynne Whelden (Post 1864483)
Did you use some program to remove the "fisheye" look (I only noticed bent lines once)?

Also, what was causing the momentary "hiss" in the audio for a lot (but not all) the shots?

No processing - those are what the clips look like right out of the camera, wide and superview. The Hero 4 in 4K seems to have much less fisheye. You do not see the horizon bend when it moves from center, etc.

I will have to check about the hiss, I was not checking the audio carefully with headphones. Except in a few clips I turned the amplitude down to lower the wind noise (so it sounds like hiss).

Ian Newland October 10th, 2014 11:33 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Mark, the GoPro community understands the down conversion from 4k to 1080 for the extra details, we have been doing this with 2.7k from the previous models, whether the details or workflow is desirable is up to the individual user, their workflow time constraints and the type of footage they shoot.

Mark Rosenzweig October 11th, 2014 06:11 AM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Newland (Post 1864498)
Mark, the GoPro community understands the down conversion from 4k to 1080 for the extra details, we have been doing this with 2.7k from the previous models, whether the details or workflow is desirable is up to the individual user, their workflow time constraints and the type of footage they shoot.

Not the community I encountered on the web. I think the "community" is quite diverse. I agree with what you say otherwise, but the choice people make is conditional on their understanding of both the costs and the advantages.

The 4K in the new model has not been seen before - it is much better than in the older model. It is not clear that the 2.7k is. Also software and hardware has improved, so working with higher resolutions natively is much easier now. Finally, there is no need to downconvert. You can upload 4K to Vimeo or Youtube, for example, and most computers now will play 4K videos easily. And, 4K video viewed at lower resolutions looks much better than natively-shot "HD" (because it isn't HD).

Rich Adrion October 11th, 2014 10:01 AM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
During a break on a shoot I took a quick shot out the window to take this 4K shot

Lynne Whelden October 11th, 2014 10:04 AM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
I'm one of the few (only?) people on the planet who actually care about the audio quality of the GoPro. (Everyone else says "Use an audio recorder as your primary recorder." Sorry, but I'm not going there.) Thus I am encouraged by what GoPro is saying about 'new and improved' audio quality on the 4 model. That's why the "hiss" concerns me.
That's good news about the curvature being lessened. I hope that's the case for all resolutions, not just 4K. I have the 3 and so I'm seeing fisheye big-time.

Lynne Whelden October 13th, 2014 12:23 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
By the way, I called GoPro's tech support to give them a heads-up on the vignetting issue with the Hero 4 at 4K in superwide mode.
However, they're claiming the problem is with the user and NOT with the camera.
If anyone else has seen this, please call GoPro and give them your first-hand experience. (Mine is only based on the vimeo clip Mark posted as I don't own the Hero 4 yet.)

Mark Rosenzweig October 13th, 2014 12:32 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynne Whelden (Post 1864751)
By the way, I called GoPro's tech support to give them a heads-up on the vignetting issue with the Hero 4 at 4K in superwide mode.
However, they're claiming the problem is with the user and NOT with the camera.
If anyone else has seen this, please call GoPro and give them your first-hand experience. (Mine is only based on the vimeo clip Mark posted as I don't own the Hero 4 yet.)

As the "user", I would like to know what I possibly could have done to produce the slight vignetting in the upper (not lower) corners, and ONLY in superwide mode? I shot the videos standing in back of the camera. The camera was on a tripod in the GoPro frame, which has the least bulk of any of the GoPro cases.

Paul Cronin October 13th, 2014 02:39 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Mark,

Agree what would cause it from your setup? Mine comes tomorrow and I will do the same test since we are going to use it in that mode as part of our next shoot.

Ian Newland October 13th, 2014 03:50 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Sometimes if the camera is not positioned correctly within the housing the video will display a vignette usually on one side, this used to happen on earlier GoPro versions as the camera case or the Perspex locating lugs wore down after repeated use ( vibration on bikes etc), you could see the wear marks on the camera case.

Mark Rosenzweig October 13th, 2014 05:11 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Newland (Post 1864775)
Sometimes if the camera is not positioned correctly within the housing the video will display a vignette usually on one side, this used to happen on earlier GoPro versions as the camera case or the Perspex locating lugs wore down after repeated use ( vibration on bikes etc), you could see the wear marks on the camera case.

This is the HERO 4 in its GoPro frame case. I do not see how it could induce vignetting, unless that GoPro lens cover does it (it comes with the frame), but that is unlikely since it is only the upper corners.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps9b4464a5.jpg

Lynne Whelden October 14th, 2014 04:41 AM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
This is the email I got from the GoPro tech:

"Thank you for calling in today, and pointing me towards that video. I will look into it a little further, and let you know what I find out.

This is not a problem with the camera, but it could be the result of user error, or simply a particular problem with that particular camera itself.

Let me know if yo have other questions."

.................................................................................................... .........................................................

Barrage them with calls if you've seen it yourself, that's what I say.
Don't let them get away with the attitude "Hey, this is only a $500 camera, what do you expect?" Or, "Wait 'til Hero 5 comes out and we'll see if we can get it fixed by then."
Americans are addicted to mediocrity!

Mark Rosenzweig October 14th, 2014 08:14 PM

Firmware Update
 
HERO4 Black v2.00

New Features
•Adds Automatic shutter option for Night Lapse mode
•Adds Continuous interval for Night Lapse mode

Performance Improvements
•Increases image sharpness in various video modes
•Decreases Time Lapse shutter lag
•Optimizes Time Lapse auto exposure performance for 0.5 and 1 second intervals
•Decreases thumbnail load time on the LCD Touch BacPac™
•Increases file transfer speed from camera to computer

Usability Improvements
•Simplifies Default Mode menu
•Adds 5 min option to Auto Off
•Displays HiLight Tags in thumbnail gallery on the LCD Touch BacPac (3rd Generation only)
•Improves swipe and playback controls on the LCD Touch BacPac (3rd Generation only)
•Displays the most recent video or photo first during playback on the LCD Touch BacPac

General Improvements + Bug Fixes
•Addresses an issue that may prevent pairing with the GoPro App
•Addresses an issue that may disable live preview on the GoPro App
•Addresses an issue that may cause the camera to appear out of range with the GoPro App
•Improves battery level icon accuracy
•Addresses an issue that may prevent files from being deleted
•Addresses an issue which may cause the camera to automatically power on when connected to a computer
•Other improvements and bug fixes

Ian Newland October 14th, 2014 11:10 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
And some valuable info from GoPros Chief Production Artist - Abe Kitsleviz

New Features of the HERO4
Understanding Video in the HERO4
Understanding Photos in the HERO4

Happy reading :D

Mark Rosenzweig October 15th, 2014 09:56 AM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 

Night shot at the end.

Nate Haustein October 15th, 2014 02:20 PM

Re: Firmware Update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Rosenzweig (Post 1864908)
HERO4 Black v2.00

New Features
•Adds Automatic shutter option for Night Lapse mode
•Adds Continuous interval for Night Lapse mode

Performance Improvements
•Increases image sharpness in various video modes
•Decreases Time Lapse shutter lag
•Optimizes Time Lapse auto exposure performance for 0.5 and 1 second intervals
•Decreases thumbnail load time on the LCD Touch BacPac™
•Increases file transfer speed from camera to computer

Usability Improvements
•Simplifies Default Mode menu
•Adds 5 min option to Auto Off
•Displays HiLight Tags in thumbnail gallery on the LCD Touch BacPac (3rd Generation only)
•Improves swipe and playback controls on the LCD Touch BacPac (3rd Generation only)
•Displays the most recent video or photo first during playback on the LCD Touch BacPac

General Improvements + Bug Fixes
•Addresses an issue that may prevent pairing with the GoPro App
•Addresses an issue that may disable live preview on the GoPro App
•Addresses an issue that may cause the camera to appear out of range with the GoPro App
•Improves battery level icon accuracy
•Addresses an issue that may prevent files from being deleted
•Addresses an issue which may cause the camera to automatically power on when connected to a computer
•Other improvements and bug fixes

Do we know what modes received improved sharpness? 2.7K 48p was a little softer than 30p when I did some tests the other day. Same with 1080p80 and higher.

Otherwise, the new exposure and image controls on the 4 are fantastic. I get a good solid 55 minutes of 4K recording too! Wow!

Andrew Maclaurin October 17th, 2014 12:55 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
How does the new Gopro 4 black handle interiors? What about lowish light? Compared to the previous black versions?

Lynne Whelden October 17th, 2014 06:22 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Having read "Abe's" article, I now realize why there's no "fisheye" look on the superwide mode. A 4:3 frame is being stretched to fill the 16:9 space. So the camera is artificially removing any curved lines along the edges.
So much for any "magic."

Mark Rosenzweig October 20th, 2014 04:58 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynne Whelden (Post 1865277)
Having read "Abe's" article, I now realize why there's no "fisheye" look on the superwide mode. A 4:3 frame is being stretched to fill the 16:9 space. So the camera is artificially removing any curved lines along the edges.
So much for any "magic."

No, the fisheye edges are not adjusted, and the curves are there. The Superview mode is using all of the pixels on the sensor. See again this comparison of Superview and Wide in 4K, and you will see curves at the edges in Superview, sometimes subtle and sometimes not:


Lynne Whelden October 25th, 2014 04:19 AM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
The more I watch that, the more annoying the vignetting becomes! There are some SW shots where I can see it in BOTH corners. Most of the time, however, it's just the right corner. One might think you were using a clear glass lens protector that wasn't designed correctly (which happened to me with a 3rd party protector) but I guess that's not the situation here.
The fisheye look is more noticeable with peculiar compositions, like straight lines presenting at certain angles (eg. telephone pole being the worst example). Hard to get a handle on exactly what's going on.

Mark Rosenzweig October 28th, 2014 05:56 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
GoPro in the rain in 4K (it is waterproof!):


Mark Rosenzweig November 2nd, 2014 06:17 AM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
GoPro in the rain again, in 4K, in St Louis:


Leon Kolenda December 17th, 2014 12:27 AM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Hello everyone, I just got my Hero 4 black, and just learning it, However If anyone could check this out for me, When I put the camera in Video settings (Using the LCD Bac-Pac) and scroll down to ( Low-Light ), it says it's On and the color of orange. However, When I try to change it to off, in any video mode, or FPS it will not turn off. Example of wanting it off would be if you are shooting out doors and in average bright daylight.

It beeps but never turns off. I even tried going into settings and resetting everything to the camera defaults, still can't turn it off. I even took the LCD Bac-Pak back for an exchange for a new one, Same thing.

Am I missing something here?

Mark Rosenzweig December 27th, 2014 06:44 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 

Mark Rosenzweig January 7th, 2015 05:14 PM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 

Static shots in stiff wind, walking while shooting, and following a pedestrian up a hill using this handheld gimbal.

Leon Kolenda January 8th, 2015 12:27 AM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
I just got my Z-one Pro, and now I see they have come out with a new one. Called the Z-1 Pround.
Zhiyun Z1-Pround Hidden Wire 3-Axis Handheld Gimbal for Gopro3/4 Sale-Banggood.com

Looks like improved motors, improved programming, and the choice of bigger batteries that can run the GoPro longer than the GoPro's battery, I love that feature. Also hidden wires.

I don't know why Mark, but in your last video following the people, there seemed to be more movement than what I see on mine? There was a strange relection thing in the lower right side of the video also.

May sell mine, and get this one.

Mark Rosenzweig January 8th, 2015 10:54 AM

Re: GoPro Hero 4 Black 4K Videos
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon Kolenda (Post 1872971)
I just got my Z-one Pro, and now I see they have come out with a new one. Called the Z-1 Pround.
Zhiyun Z1-Pround Hidden Wire 3-Axis Handheld Gimbal for Gopro3/4 Sale-Banggood.com

Looks like improved motors, improved programming, and the choice of bigger batteries that can run the GoPro longer than the GoPro's battery, I love that feature. Also hidden wires.

I don't know why Mark, but in your last video following the people, there seemed to be more movement than what I see on mine? There was a strange relection thing in the lower right side of the video also.

May sell mine, and get this one.

I am not thrilled by its performance - do you have some video you can share of what you are getting? Also, I do not understand what "relection" means. I do not see anything strange on the lower right side.


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