looking for PC NLE that can work with low resolution proxies at DVinfo.net

Michael Estepp · April 27th, 2004, 10:23 AM

FCP and Avid have a feature where you can capture at low res, create your project, and then tell the program to go recapture only the time codes you use... I dont know what the procedure is called, but does Premiere pro have this feature? Any other
NLE that might do it?

Michael Estepp

Jonathan Stanley · April 28th, 2004, 05:31 PM

I think you may be referring to what is known as offline editing. Here is a good page that describes this process: phttp://www.jamesarnett.com/2-3-9.html

Rob Lohman · April 29th, 2004, 03:43 AM

See my last post in your original thread as well, Michael.

I've renamed your thread to a broader question and moved it
to general PC editing forum. Because if Premiere doesn't have
it either (I don't know) you'll have to create another thread for
another NLE once again. In this way people can just respond
with NLE's that for sure have that feature.

To the best of my knowledge Avid has such a feature. I'm not
sure whether Avid Express DV has it as well. I couldn't find
anything on their Express website.

Personally I would not allow such a feature to dictate which
NLE I would be using for my projects since storage space is so
cheap (see my post in the thread above). With all the time you've
spend on this searching you could have been busy shooting and
editing with your favourite NLE if you would've gotten an extra
harddisk.

Jim Lafferty · May 2nd, 2004, 09:55 AM

What you're describing are two things -- proxy files is one, and offline/online EDL is another.

Vegas for one can do proxies -- they are low-res captures that are edited on the timeline. When you decide it's time to render the final project out, you just swap media in the media bins and tell Vegas to render away. In this fashion you could technically edit HD in Vegas in RT, though I'm sure the pedants will be quick to point out that you can't do HD color correction from the Vegas timeline. Oh well.

The other half of your question deals with exporting EDL -- edit decision lists -- from one machine that has dealt with low-res media, to another machine with HD, say. Again, Vegas can do this, and apparently does it very well with Xpri ($$$$), but Avid is the known leader in this area.

- jim

Nick Jushchyshyn · May 2nd, 2004, 12:09 PM

I've done this with Media Studio Pro, it uses a trick that wasn't intended for offline editing, but it works.

Basically, the capture program supports saving a frame-accurate batch capture list, so you can save the time codes that need to be captured from any given "reel".

While DV capture is like most systems (only captures full resolution direct from tape) the direct MPEG drive supports capturing in DVD or VCD resoultions.

So...
I can capture my batch list of clips from a tape in MPEG at a low, VCD resolution and edit from those files.
Then go back and re-capture the same batch list from the tape at full, DVD resolution. Since all the file names are still the same, the next time I open projects based on the MPEG files, they simply work off the new higher resolutions.

I've only ever done this once, and even then just as an experiment, but it did work.

Have fun.

April 27th, 2004, 10:23 AM	#1
Michael Estepp Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 95	premiere pro capture FCP and Avid have a feature where you can capture at low res, create your project, and then tell the program to go recapture only the time codes you use... I dont know what the procedure is called, but does Premiere pro have this feature? Any other NLE that might do it? Michael Estepp

April 29th, 2004, 03:43 AM	#3
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	See my last post in your original thread as well, Michael. I've renamed your thread to a broader question and moved it to general PC editing forum. Because if Premiere doesn't have it either (I don't know) you'll have to create another thread for another NLE once again. In this way people can just respond with NLE's that for sure have that feature. To the best of my knowledge Avid has such a feature. I'm not sure whether Avid Express DV has it as well. I couldn't find anything on their Express website. Personally I would not allow such a feature to dictate which NLE I would be using for my projects since storage space is so cheap (see my post in the thread above). With all the time you've spend on this searching you could have been busy shooting and editing with your favourite NLE if you would've gotten an extra harddisk. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 2nd, 2004, 09:55 AM	#4
Jim Lafferty Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 636	What you're describing are two things -- proxy files is one, and offline/online EDL is another. Vegas for one can do proxies -- they are low-res captures that are edited on the timeline. When you decide it's time to render the final project out, you just swap media in the media bins and tell Vegas to render away. In this fashion you could technically edit HD in Vegas in RT, though I'm sure the pedants will be quick to point out that you can't do HD color correction from the Vegas timeline. Oh well. The other half of your question deals with exporting EDL -- edit decision lists -- from one machine that has dealt with low-res media, to another machine with HD, say. Again, Vegas can do this, and apparently does it very well with Xpri ($$$$), but Avid is the known leader in this area. - jim __________________ Realism, anyway, is never exactly the same as reality, and in the cinema it is of necessity faked. -- J-L G

April 28th, 2004, 05:31 PM	#2
Jonathan Stanley Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boone, NC Posts: 115	I think you may be referring to what is known as offline editing. Here is a good page that describes this process: phttp://www.jamesarnett.com/2-3-9.html

May 2nd, 2004, 12:09 PM	#5
Nick Jushchyshyn Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA Posts: 548	I've done this with Media Studio Pro, it uses a trick that wasn't intended for offline editing, but it works. Basically, the capture program supports saving a frame-accurate batch capture list, so you can save the time codes that need to be captured from any given "reel". While DV capture is like most systems (only captures full resolution direct from tape) the direct MPEG drive supports capturing in DVD or VCD resoultions. So... I can capture my batch list of clips from a tape in MPEG at a low, VCD resolution and edit from those files. Then go back and re-capture the same batch list from the tape at full, DVD resolution. Since all the file names are still the same, the next time I open projects based on the MPEG files, they simply work off the new higher resolutions. I've only ever done this once, and even then just as an experiment, but it did work. Have fun.