Updates to Videoguys' DIY 7.7? at DVinfo.net

Adam Gold · May 13th, 2010, 04:18 PM

Like many others on this board, I'm building a new workstation based on the Videoguys DIY 7.7 recommendations. But as a year has passed since the original article, and about six months since the latest update, I was wondering if there are better/newer components out there that others would recommend, or, more importantly, better values. For example, a lot of people seem to like the 980x more than the 920 or 930, but while it's double the performance, it's triple the price, so I'm not sure it's the best value unless you really need screaming fast performance. Then again, maybe you always need screaming fast performance.

Obviously, the video card they recommend isn't certified for MPE in Premiere, so that'll have to be modified as well.

Also, recommendations on system builders would be most valuable. I've checked out Mwave and Avadirect, both recommended here, but I was wondering if there were any other reputable builders that people like.

I noticed that Mwave has the Asus P6T Deluxe but not the V2 version -- is there really a real-world difference?

All input welcome. Thanks, guys and gals.

Craig Coston · May 13th, 2010, 11:07 PM

I haven't had any experience with the 6 core chip. However, I have an overclocked i7 920 that is pretty close in PPBM4 benchmark to an overclocked i7 980x. Both are running at the same clock speed, and mine is only a hair slower.

http://ppbm4.com/Benchmark.html

Look at Harm's CS5 scores! I have to get that soon.

My recommendation would be to go with the i7 930, using the money saved on a better RAID system. Also, max out the RAM without using 4GB chips (too expensive still). P6T is a great platform to build off of. I have the Deluxe V2 mobo and it's great. Stable overclocking.

Adam Gold · May 14th, 2010, 01:58 PM

Craig, thanks for the feedback.

Yeah, the 4GB sticks are expensive, but compared to what? If you fill the six slots with 2GB sticks and then later want to move up to 24GB, you have to throw all your sticks out. If you buy three 4GB sticks now, you could double your RAM just by buying three more later. I guess it could still work out cheaper to do it the first way but the waste of it all bugs me.

About the mobo, I think I recall either you or Randall (love the debates you guys have) saying to make sure the board is the V2 version, as you mentioned. Does the V2 matter, and how does it differ from the plain-wrap P6T Deluxe?

Thanks for the advice.

Randall Leong · May 14th, 2010, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Gold

Yeah, the 4GB sticks are expensive, but compared to what? If you fill the six slots with 2GB sticks and then later want to move up to 24GB, you have to throw all your sticks out. If you buy three 4GB sticks now, you could double your RAM just by buying three more later. I guess it could still work out cheaper to do it the first way but the waste of it all bugs me.

About the mobo, I think I recall either you or Randall (love the debates you guys have) saying to make sure the board is the V2 version, as you mentioned. Does the V2 matter, and how does it differ from the plain-wrap P6T Deluxe?

First off, 4GB sticks cost more than triple the price of the 2GB sticks at present. In fact, some 4GB sticks cost nearly quadruple the price of their corresponding 2GB counterparts. In this instance, three 4GB sticks cost $600 versus about $350 for six 2GB sticks.

Second, the original P6T Deluxe came with an onboard SAS controller. Unfortunately, that board is very buggy, which is why Asus replaced it with the v2 which lacks the SAS controller.

The P6X58D series is slowly superceding the P6T series. The P6X58D series adds an onboard SATA III (6 Gbps) controller and an onboard USB 3.0 controller to the best parts of the P6T series.

Finally, looking at the PPBM4 benchmark I see that the current top overall performer is (surprisingly) a stock-speed i7-930 with 12GB of RAM. But its score was helped out by Premiere Pro CS5 (which is more efficient than CS4) and the use of a GTX 470 graphics card (which is faster in CS5 than any other GPU except the GTX 480 in software mode - and none of the HD 58xx series GPUs are listed yet in that database). In addition, an Intel SSD connected to a SATA 6 Gbps port helped.

Craig Coston · May 15th, 2010, 09:57 AM

Adam,

Randall is right about the RAM and said what I was going for originally but didn't expand upon. It's about the cost benefit. If you have plenty of money to throw around, by all means stick 4GB chips in there. However, my plan is to stick with 12GB (6x2GB) until the 4GB chips are much cheaper. Once that happens, I'll upgrade and Ebay the 2GB sticks or put them in another machine.

Randall, that PPBM4 benchmark is quite impressive. I need to get CS5! That system's specs look eerily similar to what I spec'd out for someone on one of these forums a month or two ago. Went with that same motherboard with the Crucial 128GB SATA III SSD, but spec'd with a Quadro 4800 instead (he insisted upon it). Keep in mind that motherboard only has 2 of the SATA III ports, so building a RAID array on it other than a two drive for the OS really isn't possible.

Adam Gold · May 15th, 2010, 12:02 PM

Great info. Thanks guys.

Ervin Farkas · May 16th, 2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Gold

Also, recommendations on system builders would be most valuable. I've checked out Mwave and Avadirect, both recommended here, but I was wondering if there were any other reputable builders that people like.

I built my VGuys dreammachine about half a year ago without any problems.

Keep in mind, it was my very first computer build! There is enough expertise and good will here on this forum and other more hardware-specialized fora to be able to do it yourself... and if you get stuck, just ask for help.

Maria Cepeda · October 5th, 2010, 01:41 PM

Hi! I am trying to build my own PC based in Videoguys 7.7 but cannot find mobo P6T Deluxe V2, there is a P6T a P6TD deluxe (with no V2). Which should I buy? Or should I go to the P6X58D as mentioned by Randall on this thread?
This is my very first DIY so I really need help!

Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randall Leong

First off, 4GB sticks cost more than triple the price of the 2GB sticks at present. In fact, some 4GB sticks cost nearly quadruple the price of their corresponding 2GB counterparts. In this instance, three 4GB sticks cost $600 versus about $350 for six 2GB sticks.

Second, the original P6T Deluxe came with an onboard SAS controller. Unfortunately, that board is very buggy, which is why Asus replaced it with the v2 which lacks the SAS controller.

The P6X58D series is slowly superceding the P6T series. The P6X58D series adds an onboard SATA III (6 Gbps) controller and an onboard USB 3.0 controller to the best parts of the P6T series.

Finally, looking at the PPBM4 benchmark I see that the current top overall performer is (surprisingly) a stock-speed i7-930 with 12GB of RAM. But its score was helped out by Premiere Pro CS5 (which is more efficient than CS4) and the use of a GTX 470 graphics card (which is faster in CS5 than any other GPU except the GTX 480 in software mode - and none of the HD 58xx series GPUs are listed yet in that database). In addition, an Intel SSD connected to a SATA 6 Gbps port helped.

James Binder · October 5th, 2010, 02:50 PM

In the same situation and looking at the P6X58D myself -- curious to know what others think about this board...

(was just looking at specs) Humm -- no eSATA? Why not? New Egg is out of the P6T Delux v2 -- any other suggestions?

Randall Leong · October 6th, 2010, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maria Cepeda

Hi! I am trying to build my own PC based in Videoguys 7.7 but cannot find mobo P6T Deluxe V2, there is a P6T a P6TD deluxe (with no V2). Which should I buy? Or should I go to the P6X58D as mentioned by Randall on this thread?
This is my very first DIY so I really need help!

Thanks

Actually, the VideoGuys are updating its DIY build so that it now includes the relatively new Asus P6X58D-E motherboard. That mobo should cost about $230 or so.

As for the 4GB DIMMs, they have come down in price rather quickly. At this present moment you should get 12GB worth of three 4GB sticks of RAM for just under $300, which is about half of what those same three 4GB sticks cost just a few months ago. True, 4GB sticks still cost somewhat more per GB than 2GB sticks of the same speed and latency timings, but you'll have more slots open just in case you want to go the full 24GB.

May 13th, 2010, 04:18 PM	#1
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	Updates to Videoguys' DIY 7.7? Like many others on this board, I'm building a new workstation based on the Videoguys DIY 7.7 recommendations. But as a year has passed since the original article, and about six months since the latest update, I was wondering if there are better/newer components out there that others would recommend, or, more importantly, better values. For example, a lot of people seem to like the 980x more than the 920 or 930, but while it's double the performance, it's triple the price, so I'm not sure it's the best value unless you really need screaming fast performance. Then again, maybe you always need screaming fast performance. Obviously, the video card they recommend isn't certified for MPE in Premiere, so that'll have to be modified as well. Also, recommendations on system builders would be most valuable. I've checked out Mwave and Avadirect, both recommended here, but I was wondering if there were any other reputable builders that people like. I noticed that Mwave has the Asus P6T Deluxe but not the V2 version -- is there really a real-world difference? All input welcome. Thanks, guys and gals. __________________ "It can only be attributable to human error... This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error."

May 14th, 2010, 01:58 PM	#3
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	Craig, thanks for the feedback. Yeah, the 4GB sticks are expensive, but compared to what? If you fill the six slots with 2GB sticks and then later want to move up to 24GB, you have to throw all your sticks out. If you buy three 4GB sticks now, you could double your RAM just by buying three more later. I guess it could still work out cheaper to do it the first way but the waste of it all bugs me. About the mobo, I think I recall either you or Randall (love the debates you guys have) saying to make sure the board is the V2 version, as you mentioned. Does the V2 matter, and how does it differ from the plain-wrap P6T Deluxe? Thanks for the advice. __________________ "It can only be attributable to human error... This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error."

May 15th, 2010, 12:02 PM	#6
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	Great info. Thanks guys. __________________ "It can only be attributable to human error... This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error."

October 5th, 2010, 02:50 PM	#9
James Binder Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NY, NYC Posts: 367	In the same situation and looking at the P6X58D myself -- curious to know what others think about this board... (was just looking at specs) Humm -- no eSATA? Why not? New Egg is out of the P6T Delux v2 -- any other suggestions? Last edited by James Binder; October 5th, 2010 at 03:27 PM.

May 13th, 2010, 11:07 PM	#2
Craig Coston Major Player Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Bakersfield, CA Posts: 232	I haven't had any experience with the 6 core chip. However, I have an overclocked i7 920 that is pretty close in PPBM4 benchmark to an overclocked i7 980x. Both are running at the same clock speed, and mine is only a hair slower. http://ppbm4.com/Benchmark.html Look at Harm's CS5 scores! I have to get that soon. My recommendation would be to go with the i7 930, using the money saved on a better RAID system. Also, max out the RAM without using 4GB chips (too expensive still). P6T is a great platform to build off of. I have the Deluxe V2 mobo and it's great. Stable overclocking.

May 15th, 2010, 09:57 AM	#5
Craig Coston Major Player Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Bakersfield, CA Posts: 232	Adam, Randall is right about the RAM and said what I was going for originally but didn't expand upon. It's about the cost benefit. If you have plenty of money to throw around, by all means stick 4GB chips in there. However, my plan is to stick with 12GB (6x2GB) until the 4GB chips are much cheaper. Once that happens, I'll upgrade and Ebay the 2GB sticks or put them in another machine. Randall, that PPBM4 benchmark is quite impressive. I need to get CS5! That system's specs look eerily similar to what I spec'd out for someone on one of these forums a month or two ago. Went with that same motherboard with the Crucial 128GB SATA III SSD, but spec'd with a Quadro 4800 instead (he insisted upon it). Keep in mind that motherboard only has 2 of the SATA III ports, so building a RAID array on it other than a two drive for the OS really isn't possible.