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John Locke · November 5th, 2002, 04:15 AM

Anybody have any suggestions on what can be used to smoke/fog a set? The spray cans aren't available here. And I'm too cheap to buy a machine...even the cheap ones are too much.

I know that there must be some "trick 'o the trade" that was dreamed up pre-fog machines to create smoke that doesn't choke the cast and crew and smell up the joint and that lingers well.

If I don't get a better suggestion, I plan on using the mildest incense sticks I can find.

Frank Granovski · November 5th, 2002, 04:31 AM

Get some dry ice and drop it in water. Or, for longer lasting smoke, get someone to sprinkle water over the dry ice. Don't forget a fan, or someone waving a piece of cardboard to act as a fan.

John Locke · November 5th, 2002, 04:39 AM

Doesn't dry ice fog cling to the floor, though? I need the fine smoke that fills the room and lingers.

Frank Granovski · November 5th, 2002, 04:45 AM

It goes up in the air, then it sinks. That's why I suggested a fan. I used to play with dry ice all the time when I was a kid.

John Locke · November 5th, 2002, 04:49 AM

Yeah...I think that wouldn't work too well for what I have in mind. I'm going for the ILM-style rays of light piercing the darkness. Only way that looks really good is if you smoke the set with a nice soft haze.

The dry ice smoke would be inconsistent and constantly swirling and with a tendency to drop quickly.

I'm afraid incense is going to choke everyone in the room, but it might be the most viable substitute for the real thing.

Marc Betz · November 5th, 2002, 05:02 AM

Can you rent a smoker from a theatrical supply place?

I don't know what the deal is in japan but over here you can even rent them from party stores, smal units that use a type of fogging oil that works really well.

Good luck

When are you going to post your movie?????

: )

Frank Granovski · November 5th, 2002, 05:53 AM

I didn't think you wanted to use real smoke. But if you do, go to a Chinese medicine/herbal shop. Then ask them for those thick, 1/2" sticks which smolder---the ones used to heat parts of your body for healing. They're real cheap, and smoke like a son of a b---. (And the smoke rises and spreads.)

Jeff Donald · November 5th, 2002, 06:21 AM

Rosco makes a fogger that many places rent. On a possibly cheaper note, buy all your friends some cheap cigars (or if they're good friends, good cigars) and invite them to your set. Light up and start the camera rolling. It wouldn't be my first choice but it will get the job done.

Jeff

Robert Knecht Schmidt · November 5th, 2002, 08:36 AM

Music stores like Guitar Center tend to have a section with DJ equipment including specialty lights and cheap fog machines. I think they run ~$70 apiece and you could pick up a few of them to provide adequate coverage.

Dry ice will never work; the condensed vapor is too ephemeral.

John Locke · November 5th, 2002, 09:38 AM

Thanks for all the input. It's amazing what ISN'T readily available here. It's hard to find even DV equipment and supplies. Haven't yet found a theatrical supply.

Plus, I'd imagine daily rental would probably cost as much as buying one in the States.

I think I'll give Frank's advice a go first...just to see if I can pull it off for a few bucks.

Marc, film is coming soon. Thanks for the interest. I'll let you know.

Zac Stein · November 5th, 2002, 10:22 AM

Heya all

http://www1.jaycar.com.au/productVie...Max=&SUBCATID=

I am really not sure if that can help, but that translate to around $40 USD, which is very cheap i gather.

that is what i have used on productions and works very well. It leaves a very slight stail air kind of smell, but nothing very obtrusive.

I hope that can help.

About shipping o/s it says this

Overseas delivery can be sent by ship or by air. Please email a Jaycar sales person for details.

I hope that can help.

kermie

Dylan Couper · November 5th, 2002, 12:34 PM

Where does one buy dry ice from anyway?

Josh Bass · November 5th, 2002, 01:02 PM

I heard whoever it was that did one of the Indiana Jones movies burned beeswax on the set.

Marc Betz · November 5th, 2002, 06:47 PM

For Chirst Sakes Don't you know anything???

You buy it at DRY ICE "R" US

Dopey.

Actually look under cryogenics in the yellow pages.

Marc

: )

Don Donatello · November 5th, 2002, 09:34 PM

when using heavy dry ice be careful as it will drop mositure on the floor and can be slippery...

November 5th, 2002, 04:15 AM	#1
John Locke Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austin, TX USA Posts: 2,882	Where there's smoke there's [fill in the blank]. Anybody have any suggestions on what can be used to smoke/fog a set? The spray cans aren't available here. And I'm too cheap to buy a machine...even the cheap ones are too much. I know that there must be some "trick 'o the trade" that was dreamed up pre-fog machines to create smoke that doesn't choke the cast and crew and smell up the joint and that lingers well. If I don't get a better suggestion, I plan on using the mildest incense sticks I can find. __________________ John Locke SursumFilms.com

November 5th, 2002, 04:39 AM	#3
John Locke Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austin, TX USA Posts: 2,882	Doesn't dry ice fog cling to the floor, though? I need the fine smoke that fills the room and lingers. __________________ John Locke SursumFilms.com

November 5th, 2002, 04:49 AM	#5
John Locke Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austin, TX USA Posts: 2,882	Yeah...I think that wouldn't work too well for what I have in mind. I'm going for the ILM-style rays of light piercing the darkness. Only way that looks really good is if you smoke the set with a nice soft haze. The dry ice smoke would be inconsistent and constantly swirling and with a tendency to drop quickly. I'm afraid incense is going to choke everyone in the room, but it might be the most viable substitute for the real thing. __________________ John Locke SursumFilms.com

November 5th, 2002, 05:02 AM	#6
Marc Betz Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NH Posts: 95	John Can you rent a smoker from a theatrical supply place? I don't know what the deal is in japan but over here you can even rent them from party stores, smal units that use a type of fogging oil that works really well. Good luck When are you going to post your movie????? : ) __________________ Marc Betz

November 5th, 2002, 08:36 AM	#9
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	Music stores like Guitar Center tend to have a section with DJ equipment including specialty lights and cheap fog machines. I think they run ~$70 apiece and you could pick up a few of them to provide adequate coverage. Dry ice will never work; the condensed vapor is too ephemeral. __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

November 5th, 2002, 04:31 AM	#2
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Get some dry ice and drop it in water. Or, for longer lasting smoke, get someone to sprinkle water over the dry ice. Don't forget a fan, or someone waving a piece of cardboard to act as a fan.

November 5th, 2002, 04:45 AM	#4
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	It goes up in the air, then it sinks. That's why I suggested a fan. I used to play with dry ice all the time when I was a kid.

November 5th, 2002, 05:53 AM	#7
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	I didn't think you wanted to use real smoke. But if you do, go to a Chinese medicine/herbal shop. Then ask them for those thick, 1/2" sticks which smolder---the ones used to heat parts of your body for healing. They're real cheap, and smoke like a son of a b---. (And the smoke rises and spreads.)

November 5th, 2002, 06:21 AM	#8
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Rosco makes a fogger that many places rent. On a possibly cheaper note, buy all your friends some cheap cigars (or if they're good friends, good cigars) and invite them to your set. Light up and start the camera rolling. It wouldn't be my first choice but it will get the job done. Jeff

November 5th, 2002, 09:38 AM	#10
John Locke Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austin, TX USA Posts: 2,882	Thanks for all the input. It's amazing what ISN'T readily available here. It's hard to find even DV equipment and supplies. Haven't yet found a theatrical supply. Plus, I'd imagine daily rental would probably cost as much as buying one in the States. I think I'll give Frank's advice a go first...just to see if I can pull it off for a few bucks. Marc, film is coming soon. Thanks for the interest. I'll let you know. __________________ John Locke SursumFilms.com

November 5th, 2002, 10:22 AM	#11
Zac Stein Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 730	Heya all http://www1.jaycar.com.au/productVie...Max=&SUBCATID= I am really not sure if that can help, but that translate to around $40 USD, which is very cheap i gather. that is what i have used on productions and works very well. It leaves a very slight stail air kind of smell, but nothing very obtrusive. I hope that can help. About shipping o/s it says this Overseas delivery can be sent by ship or by air. Please email a Jaycar sales person for details. I hope that can help. kermie

November 5th, 2002, 12:34 PM	#12
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Where does one buy dry ice from anyway?

November 5th, 2002, 01:02 PM	#13
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	I heard whoever it was that did one of the Indiana Jones movies burned beeswax on the set. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

November 5th, 2002, 06:47 PM	#14
Marc Betz Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NH Posts: 95	Dylan For Chirst Sakes Don't you know anything??? You buy it at DRY ICE "R" US Dopey. Actually look under cryogenics in the yellow pages. Marc : ) __________________ Marc Betz

November 5th, 2002, 09:34 PM	#15
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	when using heavy dry ice be careful as it will drop mositure on the floor and can be slippery...