Give it up, Allan.

K. Forman · July 28th, 2003, 06:20 AM

Would the difference be Japan using 0 IRE instead of 7?

Allan Rejoso · July 28th, 2003, 10:04 AM

NTSC J and NTSC USA

The color system and broadcast system are the same but the channel system (frequency) differs.

Frank Granovski · July 28th, 2003, 05:11 PM

Is the black mamba a deep black or a dull black? Or let me put it another way: is it black as sin or is it the color of 2nd grade coal? :)

Allan Rejoso · July 29th, 2003, 08:28 AM

Except for the surface where the Pany label is attached, the focus ring and the area around the hood opening, everything is ordinary black (not as deep as the dark side of the force).

Frank Granovski · July 29th, 2003, 02:47 PM

Thanks Allan. So it's not as black as black could be. Darn. Oh, well.

Allan Rejoso · July 29th, 2003, 07:17 PM

Mmmmm, the latest Opturas has just been announced. The horizontal one looks very very interesting:

1/3.4" 2.2 MP CCD (1.23MP effective)
High Quality Wide mode (1.50MP effective)
DIGIC Technology
11x Optical Zoom
RGB Color Filter that is supposed to approximate 3-CCD performance
Manual Audio Control
Zebra Pattern
3.5" 246K resolution LCD
High Quality Canon Lens (F1.6 - F1.9)
Custom Key
Manual Focus Ring

I've got to read more about manual settings...there's a lot below 1/60. It says that under TV mode (shutter speed priority), shutter speed can be set 1/8, 1/15, 1/30, 1/60 up to 1/8000. Holy cow!

I'm very excited. Looks like a challenger to the Pany dynasty.

Sorry don't know where to post this.. now back to Pany cams.

Regards

Tommy Haupfear · July 29th, 2003, 08:19 PM

Wow 1.50MP widescreen mode on the new Optura! Thats more pixels than the lame JVC HD cam.

Can't wait until 2008 when North America gets it! :)

Frank Granovski · July 29th, 2003, 08:27 PM

Do you have a link with pics of these new Optura cams? (Any black ones?) =:+)

Eng Yew Lee · July 29th, 2003, 09:38 PM

Here is the Canon site

http://www.canondv.com/optura300/optura300_flash.html

No frame mode, no 3CCD. Not sure if there is implicit zoom/scaling in 16:9 mode. On the positive side, its in English!

The Optura was my first choice replacement camcorder and Canon has always been my preferred brand until the GS100K came out because a) I wanted 3CCD, frame mode and good anamorphic, and b) Canon has been lame in announcing new models and product plans.

Eng Yew Lee · July 29th, 2003, 10:39 PM

Here is another mention
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...t-07_29_03.htm

Also note that a comment posted states that the RGB filtering is similar to the original Elura. Not sure if that is accurate but I have the original Elura and its color is definitely superior to later Eluras. I have had the pleasure of combining footage from my orignial Elura with footage from the newer Elura and a JVC cam. And my Elura always has brighter colors - which is why I love my ol'Elura.

Michael Struthers · July 29th, 2003, 11:33 PM

Canon and Sony are about ready to start firing back. They have flagships (XL1s) and (PD-150) and second level cams that are long overdue for upgrades. Prepare for 16x9 everything.

yah!

Allan Rejoso · August 3rd, 2003, 08:45 AM

Just when you think all things are gonna get better:

IXY DV M2 (Optura300): Min lux req't under Auto Mode: 24; EIS

FV M1 (Optura Xi): Min lux req't under Auto Mode: 22

Canon should have the HAD

Hopefully, what I'm looking at are mere typos (but not likely), or, the US versions would be better.

I'm getting more convinced that low light performance is more a function of pixel density rather than CCD size.

Don Berube · August 3rd, 2003, 10:08 AM

>>>>I'm getting more convinced that low light performance is more a function of pixel density rather than CCD size.

- Pixel density is part of the equation. It's the size of the actual pixel(s) used that affect low light sensitivity. In theory, a larger pixel will have a greater sensitivity to low light than a smaller pixel. Hence, a small megapixel CCD packed with a million or so effective pixels will have a greater "pixel density" compared to the same size CCD packed with fewer and larger pixels. Technically, the latter CCD will have the potential to peform better in low light situations.

This will probably change as manufacturers begin to introduce cleaner, more sophisticated gain circuitry into the cameras to compensate for small pixel size.

- don

July 29th, 2003, 11:33 PM	#26
Michael Struthers Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, Ca Posts: 421	Methinks Canon and Sony are about ready to start firing back. They have flagships (XL1s) and (PD-150) and second level cams that are long overdue for upgrades. Prepare for 16x9 everything. yah!

August 3rd, 2003, 10:08 AM	#28
Don Berube Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Boston, MA (travel frequently) Posts: 837	>>>>I'm getting more convinced that low light performance is more a function of pixel density rather than CCD size. - Pixel density is part of the equation. It's the size of the actual pixel(s) used that affect low light sensitivity. In theory, a larger pixel will have a greater sensitivity to low light than a smaller pixel. Hence, a small megapixel CCD packed with a million or so effective pixels will have a greater "pixel density" compared to the same size CCD packed with fewer and larger pixels. Technically, the latter CCD will have the potential to peform better in low light situations. This will probably change as manufacturers begin to introduce cleaner, more sophisticated gain circuitry into the cameras to compensate for small pixel size. - don __________________ DONALD BERUBE - noisybrain. Productions, LLC Director Of Photography/ Producer/ Consultant http://noisybrain.com/donbio.html CREATE and NETWORK with http://www.bosfcpug.org and also http://fcpugnetwork.org

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July 28th, 2003, 06:20 AM	#16
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	Would the difference be Japan using 0 IRE instead of 7?

July 28th, 2003, 10:04 AM	#17
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	NTSC J and NTSC USA The color system and broadcast system are the same but the channel system (frequency) differs.

July 28th, 2003, 05:11 PM	#18
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Is the black mamba a deep black or a dull black? Or let me put it another way: is it black as sin or is it the color of 2nd grade coal? :)

July 29th, 2003, 08:28 AM	#19
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	Except for the surface where the Pany label is attached, the focus ring and the area around the hood opening, everything is ordinary black (not as deep as the dark side of the force).

July 29th, 2003, 02:47 PM	#20
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Thanks Allan. So it's not as black as black could be. Darn. Oh, well.

July 29th, 2003, 07:17 PM	#21
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	Mmmmm, the latest Opturas has just been announced. The horizontal one looks very very interesting: 1/3.4" 2.2 MP CCD (1.23MP effective) High Quality Wide mode (1.50MP effective) DIGIC Technology 11x Optical Zoom RGB Color Filter that is supposed to approximate 3-CCD performance Manual Audio Control Zebra Pattern 3.5" 246K resolution LCD High Quality Canon Lens (F1.6 - F1.9) Custom Key Manual Focus Ring I've got to read more about manual settings...there's a lot below 1/60. It says that under TV mode (shutter speed priority), shutter speed can be set 1/8, 1/15, 1/30, 1/60 up to 1/8000. Holy cow! I'm very excited. Looks like a challenger to the Pany dynasty. Sorry don't know where to post this.. now back to Pany cams. Regards

July 29th, 2003, 08:19 PM	#22
Tommy Haupfear Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,415	Wow 1.50MP widescreen mode on the new Optura! Thats more pixels than the lame JVC HD cam. Can't wait until 2008 when North America gets it! :)

July 29th, 2003, 08:27 PM	#23
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Do you have a link with pics of these new Optura cams? (Any black ones?) =:+)

July 29th, 2003, 09:38 PM	#24
Eng Yew Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Castro Valley, CA, USA Posts: 32	Here is the Canon site http://www.canondv.com/optura300/optura300_flash.html No frame mode, no 3CCD. Not sure if there is implicit zoom/scaling in 16:9 mode. On the positive side, its in English! The Optura was my first choice replacement camcorder and Canon has always been my preferred brand until the GS100K came out because a) I wanted 3CCD, frame mode and good anamorphic, and b) Canon has been lame in announcing new models and product plans.

July 29th, 2003, 10:39 PM	#25
Eng Yew Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Castro Valley, CA, USA Posts: 32	Here is another mention http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...t-07_29_03.htm Also note that a comment posted states that the RGB filtering is similar to the original Elura. Not sure if that is accurate but I have the original Elura and its color is definitely superior to later Eluras. I have had the pleasure of combining footage from my orignial Elura with footage from the newer Elura and a JVC cam. And my Elura always has brighter colors - which is why I love my ol'Elura.

August 3rd, 2003, 08:45 AM	#27
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	Just when you think all things are gonna get better: IXY DV M2 (Optura300): Min lux req't under Auto Mode: 24; EIS FV M1 (Optura Xi): Min lux req't under Auto Mode: 22 Canon should have the HAD Hopefully, what I'm looking at are mere typos (but not likely), or, the US versions would be better. I'm getting more convinced that low light performance is more a function of pixel density rather than CCD size.