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Hellmut Issels · February 27th, 2004, 11:13 PM

Can anybody comment on experiences with wide angle video conversion lenses with the gs 100K. Specifically which are the highest quality on the market at this point.
Thanks.

Frank Granovski · February 29th, 2004, 04:28 PM

The Pana adaptors are supposed to be pretty good but they don't come with filter threads on the front.

According to tests done by Tom Hardwick and other members, a couple of the Raynox adaptors seem to be the sharpest and with the least amount of barrel distortion, but they are not completely zoom-through.

John Gaspain · February 29th, 2004, 07:27 PM

I have a Raynox .3 HD Semi-Fisheye. I can zoom all the way thru and the fisheye effect is only at close distances, and no vignetting. I do wish it had threads on the front tho. Its really hard to beat for $120

Frank Granovski · February 29th, 2004, 07:33 PM

Isn't the Raynox HD5000 the one that's recommended as far as wides go for the 43mm threaded Panas? I believe there's another good Raynox model as well.

John Gaspain · February 29th, 2004, 08:14 PM

Yea Frank,

the HD5000 is available with 43mm threads- but I have the HD3000 and it is threaded to 37mm. I just use the 37-43 adapter that came with it. Works fine.

Emmet Lucey · March 2nd, 2004, 01:03 AM

I'm using the raynox 5000 with a pal mx 500 & it is a beauty - just two problems....

can't be used at full wide with the enclosed step up adater - black ring at the corners - probably a thin adapter ring would solve this -

and any night filming where floodlights are involved i can count on inadvertent hunting in the autofocus during some pans, i believe this is caused when the prisms of light refract within the lens itself.

other than that, i shoot more with it on than off! it's a marvelous tool for capturing humans.

Guy Bruner · March 2nd, 2004, 07:09 AM

Emmet,
Are you attaching the wide angle to the front of your hood? If so, take the hood off and see if it vignettes with the WA attached directly to the lens mount.

Emmet Lucey · March 2nd, 2004, 11:19 AM

thanks guy but yes, it's mounted right on the body, first out from the camera, factory sun hood removed .... i wish the truth were otherwise ....

Adam Folickman · March 3rd, 2004, 02:34 AM

Hi Emmet,

I have the same setup, the HD5000 and the DV953. I use the Raynox a lot of the time at full wide and never notice any vignetting. It could be because of the 43mm-37mm Step Down Ring I use.

This is the one :

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=221465&is=REG

I have found out from personal expierence that I have to be careful not to tighten the ring very much to the camera lens threads because it becomes very difficult to detach it.

Adam

Emmet Lucey · March 3rd, 2004, 04:53 AM

Looks like that ring is much flatter than mine. I bet that's the trick. You got an assortment of adapters included with the raynox, rght? I bet you'd get my viginetting if you tried the 37-43 provided by raynox.... maybe you'll want that train emerging from the tunnel effect sometime ... :-)

Frank Granovski · March 3rd, 2004, 06:07 AM

Isn't there a Raynox that comes with the 43mm threads, or larger? Then you wouldn't have to "step-up" the adaptor. Am I thinking about the Raynox 6600? Is that correct? I wish I had that Raynox link handy. I keep forgetting the model numbers, and their thread sizes. I know! I'll use the search function here. :-))

Ahh, yes. Here's one of the threads I was thinking about:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=10724

Rick Tugman · March 3rd, 2004, 08:40 AM

I have been using the Kenko Digital SGW-05 PRO Wide Angle 0.5X adapter. It's 37 mm and I use a step up ring which has presented no problems. I have not seen distortion and it's very functional for under 100 bucks.

Adam Folickman · March 3rd, 2004, 09:27 AM

Emmet,

I got the included adaptor rings with the HD5000 but never used them. I will try them out and see if I get the vignetting.

Frank,

The HD6600 has a 43mm thread but it is not fully zoom thru like the HD5000 is. With the HD5000 and the Tiffen ring, I don't have the vignetting problem.

Here is the link to RAYNOX:

http://www.raynox.co.jp/english/video/egvideoindex.htm

Frank Granovski · March 3rd, 2004, 05:05 PM

Thanks for making the Raynox link handy.

Paralleling the HD5000/HD6600 story is Tiffen's 37mm/43mm wides. The 37mm is a fantastic wide but it's bigger brother, the 43mm, dropped out of technical school too young.

Patricia Kim · March 5th, 2004, 04:32 PM

I have both the Panasonic WA for the gs100 and the Raynox 5000 and like both, as I've mentioned elsewhere. But FYI, I just bought the March copy of DV mag, and there's an article by the production manager of "Frontline." Apparently they have a "loaner" kit for crews that includes the Century Optics 16:9 widescreen adaptor and the Kenko KRW 065WA. (Oh, yeah, mustn't forget to mention that their loaner cam is the Sony PD150.) I don't know if you pros would take that as an endorsement or not, but it sounds like one to this amateur (though I plan to stick with what I have).

February 27th, 2004, 11:13 PM	#1
Hellmut Issels New Boot Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: United States Posts: 8	wide angle video conversion lens Can anybody comment on experiences with wide angle video conversion lenses with the gs 100K. Specifically which are the highest quality on the market at this point. Thanks.

February 29th, 2004, 07:27 PM	#3
John Gaspain Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: WA-USA Posts: 371	I have a Raynox .3 HD Semi-Fisheye. I can zoom all the way thru and the fisheye effect is only at close distances, and no vignetting. I do wish it had threads on the front tho. Its really hard to beat for $120 __________________ The glory of the World passes by.

February 29th, 2004, 08:14 PM	#5
John Gaspain Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: WA-USA Posts: 371	Yea Frank, the HD5000 is available with 43mm threads- but I have the HD3000 and it is threaded to 37mm. I just use the 37-43 adapter that came with it. Works fine. __________________ The glory of the World passes by.

March 3rd, 2004, 08:40 AM	#12
Rick Tugman Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Parkland, Florida Posts: 105	I have been using the Kenko Digital SGW-05 PRO Wide Angle 0.5X adapter. It's 37 mm and I use a step up ring which has presented no problems. I have not seen distortion and it's very functional for under 100 bucks. __________________ Camera: Panasonic DV953 PC: Apple Aluminum G4 Powerbook - 15 inch Final Cut Pro 4 and other assorted goodies!

February 29th, 2004, 04:28 PM	#2
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	The Pana adaptors are supposed to be pretty good but they don't come with filter threads on the front. According to tests done by Tom Hardwick and other members, a couple of the Raynox adaptors seem to be the sharpest and with the least amount of barrel distortion, but they are not completely zoom-through.

February 29th, 2004, 07:33 PM	#4
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Isn't the Raynox HD5000 the one that's recommended as far as wides go for the 43mm threaded Panas? I believe there's another good Raynox model as well.

March 2nd, 2004, 01:03 AM	#6
Emmet Lucey Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: lillehammer norway Posts: 67	I'm using the raynox 5000 with a pal mx 500 & it is a beauty - just two problems.... can't be used at full wide with the enclosed step up adater - black ring at the corners - probably a thin adapter ring would solve this - and any night filming where floodlights are involved i can count on inadvertent hunting in the autofocus during some pans, i believe this is caused when the prisms of light refract within the lens itself. other than that, i shoot more with it on than off! it's a marvelous tool for capturing humans.

March 2nd, 2004, 07:09 AM	#7
Guy Bruner Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ashford, AL Posts: 937	Emmet, Are you attaching the wide angle to the front of your hood? If so, take the hood off and see if it vignettes with the WA attached directly to the lens mount.

March 2nd, 2004, 11:19 AM	#8
Emmet Lucey Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: lillehammer norway Posts: 67	thanks guy but yes, it's mounted right on the body, first out from the camera, factory sun hood removed .... i wish the truth were otherwise ....

March 3rd, 2004, 02:34 AM	#9
Adam Folickman Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: New Hampshire, USA Posts: 125	Hi Emmet, I have the same setup, the HD5000 and the DV953. I use the Raynox a lot of the time at full wide and never notice any vignetting. It could be because of the 43mm-37mm Step Down Ring I use. This is the one : http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=221465&is=REG I have found out from personal expierence that I have to be careful not to tighten the ring very much to the camera lens threads because it becomes very difficult to detach it. Adam

March 3rd, 2004, 04:53 AM	#10
Emmet Lucey Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: lillehammer norway Posts: 67	Looks like that ring is much flatter than mine. I bet that's the trick. You got an assortment of adapters included with the raynox, rght? I bet you'd get my viginetting if you tried the 37-43 provided by raynox.... maybe you'll want that train emerging from the tunnel effect sometime ... :-)

March 3rd, 2004, 06:07 AM	#11
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Isn't there a Raynox that comes with the 43mm threads, or larger? Then you wouldn't have to "step-up" the adaptor. Am I thinking about the Raynox 6600? Is that correct? I wish I had that Raynox link handy. I keep forgetting the model numbers, and their thread sizes. I know! I'll use the search function here. :-)) Ahh, yes. Here's one of the threads I was thinking about: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=10724

March 3rd, 2004, 09:27 AM	#13
Adam Folickman Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: New Hampshire, USA Posts: 125	Emmet, I got the included adaptor rings with the HD5000 but never used them. I will try them out and see if I get the vignetting. Frank, The HD6600 has a 43mm thread but it is not fully zoom thru like the HD5000 is. With the HD5000 and the Tiffen ring, I don't have the vignetting problem. Here is the link to RAYNOX: http://www.raynox.co.jp/english/video/egvideoindex.htm

March 3rd, 2004, 05:05 PM	#14
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Thanks for making the Raynox link handy. Paralleling the HD5000/HD6600 story is Tiffen's 37mm/43mm wides. The 37mm is a fantastic wide but it's bigger brother, the 43mm, dropped out of technical school too young.

March 5th, 2004, 04:32 PM	#15
Patricia Kim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 453	I have both the Panasonic WA for the gs100 and the Raynox 5000 and like both, as I've mentioned elsewhere. But FYI, I just bought the March copy of DV mag, and there's an article by the production manager of "Frontline." Apparently they have a "loaner" kit for crews that includes the Century Optics 16:9 widescreen adaptor and the Kenko KRW 065WA. (Oh, yeah, mustn't forget to mention that their loaner cam is the Sony PD150.) I don't know if you pros would take that as an endorsement or not, but it sounds like one to this amateur (though I plan to stick with what I have).