Adobe premiere pro 1.0 dvx 24p support
 

I currently edit on premiere pro 1.0 not 1.5 and haven't been able to find out much about it's 24p support vs. premiere pro 1.5. Im ordering a dvx100a sometime early next week and need to know If im going to have to update my software as well. So any information on this would be greatly appreciated, does 1.0 support 24p advanced?...just 24p? or neither? again,thank you for any information on this at all.


I also was wondering if it will be able to do a real 24p timeline so If I put 30p footage into it it would be slowed down a little? I shoot action sports often and was hoping to be able to add 30p footage into the timeline to get a little true slow motion.



-Jake

Support for 24p was added with 1.5. Your footage will still play in 1.0 or any other NLE for that matter. You just won't be able to remove the pulldown from the footage. All this means is that you won't be able to output a true 24p sequence for say, a filmout (which isn't likely anyway), or do a true 24p DVD. Again, probably isn't a biggy.

I suggest you shoot in 24p Normal rather than 24p Advanced so that the pulldown cadence looks right. Use of 24pa is more appropriate for the conditions above for technical reasons I won't go into.

If I shoot footage in 24p regular (what I planned on) and start a project with that footage then add in 30p footage will the 30p footage be slowed down and playback at 24fps?...can you do this in premiere pro 1.5 if not 1.0?

thanks

Jake

Yes. Shouldn't be a problem mixing the two. Premiere will not affect any speed changes. Panasonic 24p is actually 29.97 (with the pulldown added), so the frame rate is identical to 30p (which is also actually 29.97). You could also add 60i to the project. Each of the 3 will have a distinct look though.

In fact, Premiere 1.5 has a limitation right now in that it removes the pulldown from 24p material whether you want it to or not. If you're going to mix video types you would be better off with 1.0!

See the thing is I wanted it to slow it down, read orginal post, when I shoot action sports Its nice to mix the slightly slowed down footage with the real time stuff. So if I used 1.5 It would slow it down? getting smooth true slow motion with no resolution loss would be really nice even if it is just a little bit
slower...although 20% slower is actually pretty good.

thanks


-Jake

What you want to do is possible; I just don't know if it can be done in Premiere Pro. Hopefully someone will weigh in who's done it. In Vegas it's very easy -- just drop the 30p clip into a 24p timeline, right-click it and select "playback rate: 0.80" (for 80% speed). Then you get frame-accurate fillm-style slow motion, and it delivers a quite nice slow-mo effect.

Dropping your 30p clip into 24p timeline will not automatically slow it down (which is what I meant by "Premiere will not affect any speed changes"). I should have added the word "automatically". That's what you implied in your question.

Like Barry suggests, to get good slo-mo, shoot that material in 30p and slow it down to 80%. Any version of Premiere can do slo-mo easily. In this case 80% is the magic number for the highest quality from 30p footage. Of course, you could select any other percentage but it won't be as smooth. It may or may not require rendering. BTW, non-realtime previews in Premiere are low res, so don't be alarmed. Once it's rendered, WYSIWYG.

Oh, and I'll plug Barry's book while I'm at it! Worthwhile purchase if you haven't already done so.

I wouldnt consider droping speed of a clip in premiere...its horrible its uses tons of frame blending and just looks bad...but yea 80% is the number I guess


-thanks alot.

Help with 24P please
 

Hi all,

I have a Panasonic DVX-100A and would have posted this question on that forum but there doesn't seem to be alot of activity there. So thought I would throw this out to all of you brainiacs and see if someone could help.

I have a director that wants to shoot in 24p for a youth Diabetes walk tomorrow. Having never used 24p, I tried to dissuade her because of the smearing problem I have read about on this site, but in reality I was trying to get her to change her mind because of my lack of experience with this format. Uh-oh.....

That confession made, I now need to know anything and everything you men and women are willing to take the time to share. I'm sure I can set the menu to record in 24p but are there any other recording issues I should be aware of? How to control the smearing on pans? Do I need to try and hold hand-held shots even more steadily because of the flutter? Please alert me to everything I might not know, which is embarrassingly, everything. Sorry for the huge request. My bad for not researching this earlier, but I just found out about this 24p assignment today.....

THANK YOU SO MUCH IN ADVANCE,

Steph

Hi Steph,

Start here:
http://www.adamwilt.com/24p/index.html
After that, there's not much else to say - it's that good.

Good luck.

Thank you so much for the reply, Jack.

I'll try the link you suggested now.

Thanks again,

Steph

Hi Stephanie,

I stumbled upon this thread you might find useful in a pinch:

http://www.uemforums.com/2pop/ubbthr...6495&Main=6466

Hope it helps a little & best of luck with your shoot!

~Mike

Really, it's not a big bear....you can shoot pretty loosely with 24p and not have any glaringly obvious defects in your footage, even the panning smear. Handheld is no different. I mean, the "smear" or rather "studder" is there while panning sort of slowly, but not slow enough for a real smooth image, but these are subtle things, nothing that would "ruin" your footage. It's just a compromise that must be taken into consideration for certain types of shots...for instance if you were panning across a landscape. You should keep in mind that the movie Murderball, about quadroplegic wheelchair sports, was shot with the DVX using 24p, and a lot of the footage was from cameras strapped to the very much in motion wheel chair athletes themselves. To sum it up, it is my opinion (one informed by having shot hundreds of hours of DVX 24p footage) that you really don't have anything to worry about in this regard for the type of footage it seems you'll be shooting. But you will want to spend some time getting to know the camera (no matter what you shoot with) before showtime. You'll simply have to have a feel for it, knowing things like how to operate the iris/focus/neutral density filters/white balance. Dont worry too much about the menu settings, you can just use scene file 6 with all parameters set at default values and get amazing 24p footage, assuming your compositions are good.

What a great resource. Thanks!

Dear Jack, Michael and Daniel


Have been away from the forum for awhile...But now wanted to thank you for your replies. They will be very helpful to me and other readers I'm sure.

Thank you so much for taking the time to address this issue.

Stephanie

extreme sports film- shot on DVX100a 24p trailer
 

not sure if this is the right sub forum, please move it if it is not, thanx and sorry
anyway,

i'm almost done my film, shot 90% on dvx100a in 24p, editied in pro and AE

here is site http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com
http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com/trailer

enjoy

Saturnin

looks really good man! good AE comp's too.

What camera/capture settings did you use cause mine is coming out like junk!

i shot in scene dial f5 on the dvx, white balanced for each shoot.
some of the shots i shot with diff shutter speeds etc... but majority were on stock settings.

the interviews were shot with two kino flows 500watt and umbrellas, didnt have the softboxes. One of the interviews only used a back light


captured on pro 1.0 and imported to 1.5 due to the fact that i had both 60i footage and 24p and 1.5 doesnt like em both(but thats another story)

did some cc in AE and premiere
right now i'm mixing sound in pro 1.5
and its turning out well

Nicely done action shots. Tight editing.

Nice trailer.

Ed

thanx...i will have another trailer done before the release...differnt style

24p editing
 

I am using Final Cut Pro and am trying to capture footage shot in 24p ( not advanced) for editing in a 24p timeline. Apparently advanced mode must be used or it will be captured at 29.97. My question is how can I convert to use this footage with all my other 24pa (23.98) footage in my 24p timeline? Thanks.

Methinks you'd get more responses if you post this question in the
Non-linear Editing on a Mac section of the forum.
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=30


You could also take a look at this thread:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=61135
No replies yet, but the topic is similar.

Shooting Sporting Event, can't decide 24p or 60i?
 

Hey guy's im shooting an event similiar to UFC (ultimate fighting championship) and I can't decide if I should shoot 24p standard or 60i. What would you guy's think?

Planning to go on Pay Per View, DVD etc.

Live events are almost invariably shot in 60i or high-def 60p, especially sporting events.

If you're doing some sort of documentary about the sport, 24p might be appropriate, but if you're actually shooting the event itself, people are accustomed to seeing those events at 60i or 60p.

Thanks Barry, Do you think the DVX100 is an appropriate choice

Checkout the interview referenced in this thread:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=61357

DVX100B 24P Question
 

I recently bought a DVX100B (just arrived last week). I use Premiere 6.5 and was thinking of upgrading to Pro 2.0 because it's the cheapest way to go and I'm familiar with it. But the question is -- does it handle 24P well (basic or advanced 24P)? Or is there a different alternative that I need to be looking at?

Hopefully this question is appropriate for this forum. If not, let me know.

Dale

Many of us DVX users migrated to Vegas because of its unparalleled handling of 24P. Vegas + DVX = magic. Vegas offers a free download, so try it and see what you think.

Yes vegas is pretty good at the 24P. I'm no longer a PC guy so have my Vegas+DVDA version 5 + Upgrade to 6 (License all fully transferable and you can upgrade etc. Effectively the Vegas Production Suite) for sale if you find Vegas is good for you and want to get it. It's just lying around here now not getting used, so I'll probably flick it for a good price + shipping.

Aaron

Barry,

Thanks. I will probably download it and try it. I have a Matrox RT.X10 card. Do you know of any compatability issues there? (Although I got the card primarily to capture video from my older analog camcorder, I have used several of the Matrox effects).

What is Vegas' advantage with the DVX that is causing people to switch to it? In general how does it compare with Premiere 6.5?

Aaron, I assume from your post you've gone to a Mac. If I like Vegas, I may be interested. I think you can send an e-mail to me via the members list if you want to talk more offline or I can post my e-mail address. I'm new here so I'm not sure of the best protocol.


Dale

Vegas doesn't use hardware cards at all.

Oh, that's a loaded question... :)

Vegas is such a superior, faster, better integrated, overall better editing experience than Premiere, it's akin to going from a bicycle to a teleporter. Learn the workflow and you will be very very very happy you left Premiere behind. It's just sooooooo much better. Things can be done in one mouse click that Premiere requires four and five mouse clicks. You'll just be done so much quicker. Try it, work with it, give it a fair chance, and you'll never want to see Premiere again. I say that as having used Premiere from version 4.2 up to 6.0; Premiere Pro is a different app altogether, but 6.5 isn't much different from 6.0 so I think you'll find it very much to your liking. And the audio features of Vegas are stellar.

As for why it works with the DVX -- it just does. It's the best 24p integration of any editor. FCP requires you to go through a separate stage to "remove pulldown"; Vegas just does it on the fly if needed, or doesn't if it's not needed. Vegas has the best 24p support, and the best end-to-end authoring of 24P DVDs. I think the success of the DVX had a lot to do with the migration to Vegas, Vegas just handled the DVX footage so very well that it made 24p editing completely easy and worked just the way you'd want it to.

i've been usin pro 1.5 and its been fine, so i'm not sure what the issue is. It all depends on what you preffer! good luck

Ooooh, I feel so fancy that I can help out somebody :D

FIrst: Premiere Pro - yes, it rocks with 24p. Particularly PANASONIC 24p. It has options in the project settings that specifically state PANASONIC 24P, and lets you choose from WideScreen or Standard, depending on how you shoot.

As for your Matrox R10 - unfortunately, this damn thing doesn't support 24P at ALL. I bought one, not too long ago, thinking how great it would be to have real-time rendering. But, no, since the R10 doesn't do that, now I'm stuck with a card, I'll be selling on Ebay soon, because I NEVER shoot 29.97, only 24p.

So, to answer your questions: Premiere rocks for 24p and the R10 won't work at all with 24p. I've asked them if they plan any support, and they simply ignore me.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT VEGAS: Does it allow for the export of OMFI Media Files for integration with ProTools? I'm going to head over and download the demo, since I'm a DVX100 guy, but I'm curious about the sound options. Premiere doesn't support this natively, and as such, I've had to purchase Automatic Duck to make it happen.

You might have a question about Vegas, but this particular topic concerns 24p on the Panasonic DVX100. Please post a new thread in our Vegas forum, located at http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=54. Thanks,

I use FCP, Vegas and Premiere... all have strong suits. FCP has the most versatile file type options natively, Vegas has great audio tools and Premiere has been VASTLY improved in 1.5 and 2.0 and is a solid contender with great 3rd party plug-ins and a nice workflow. It is 100% personal preference, try them out.



ash =o)

24p or 24pA?
 

I will be shooting a documentary - I planned to shoot 24p, are there any advantages to shooting 24p advanced if I am not going to transfer to film? The chances of transferring to film are slim to none. My plan is to master the documentary to digital betacam, and distribute via DVD’s.

I will be editing on FCP4.
Thanks!

Shoot 24pa.

This will give you higher resolution, the ability to edit on a 24p timeline, and the ability to make a 24p DVD.

You can also add pulldown in FCP in order to transfer to digibeta.

24pA won't be higher resolution than standard 24p. 24p and 24pA are acquired exactly the same way and only take on a difference in the way they're split up to be recorded in a 60i stream.

There's an argument to be made that because 24p and 24pA use (very) slightly different compressions, and because it's easier to extract the 24p frames from a 24pA stream, that there might be something akin to a partial generational loss when using 24p instead of 24pA. But I've never seen a difference between the two.

That siad, I agree -- if you plan to edit in 24p, which you should if you have the option, then shoot 24pA.

Thank you!
Rachel

Do I need a deck with 24p capabilities to capture on AXP 5.2.4?
 

I have the project with 24p material. Do I need to have a deck with 24p capabilities to capture on AXP 5.2.4?

Also five Hours of the same project was shot on 30p. Can 24p and 30p exist together on the same timeline?

The 24p project was shot on Panasonic DVX100.

Thanks for any help.