difference between DVC80 and DVX100 at DVinfo.net

Kaifoong Kok · January 21st, 2004, 02:31 PM

Can anyone tell me what's the difference between DVC80 and DVX100? I only know the lacking of progressive. But saw someone here said it also lacking of gamma curve adjustment, but did see the "CineGamma" option in some sites -- meaning, it has a 'CineGamma' option but without the manually adjustable feature? If so, how many Gamma curve choices it got? I wish to find it out myself but can never see a detail user manual for DVC80 anywhere! I did download the brochere but it doesn't mention anything about picture adjustment at all!

Stephen van Vuuren · January 21st, 2004, 02:32 PM

Search here for several thread about it.

Kaifoong Kok · January 21st, 2004, 03:00 PM

hi Stephen. Ya I did search and read some of it (inclusive of the post from that VP of Panasonic) but couldn't find what I need. The first thing I wish to know is: Where to download user manual for DVC80? The reason for it is that I want to know exactly what picture adjustment it features (or to say, what's the difference in picture adjustment between DVC80 and VX2100).

Ron Evans · January 21st, 2004, 04:48 PM

Manuals are available on the www.Panasonic.com site.

Ron

Kaifoong Kok · January 28th, 2004, 07:59 AM

Ron, I can find operating manual for DVX100 in panasonic website but not on DVC80. If you found it, please give me the link. Thanks!

John Britt · January 28th, 2004, 09:43 AM

http://www.panasonic.com/pbds/subcat/products/cams_ccorders/f_ag-dvc80.html

Panasonic's page on the DVC80. Has link to .pdf of the brochure.

http://www.panasonic.com/pbds/subcat..._ag-dvc80.html

Kaifoong Kok · January 28th, 2004, 11:41 AM

Thanks John, but I'm looking for operational manual instead of the brochure because the brochure didn't mention manual picture adjustable functions in details. I want to make sure if it can adjust the matrix and gamma like DVX100 does.

John Britt · January 28th, 2004, 12:43 PM

Sorry -- thought the brochure discussed "Scene Files" in depth. Here's a link to the owner's manual:

http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/AGDVC80.PDF

(if you go to panasonic.com, click on "support," then click on "operating manuals" you can search their whole database for manuals)

What you want to know about are the "Scene File" settings. As an owner of a DVC80 I can tell you that it does not have a CineGamma feature. It's not in my hands at the moment, so that's about all I can tell you right now...

Kaifoong Kok · January 28th, 2004, 01:19 PM

Thanks John! This is what I need :)

As an owner of DVC80, how do you rate this camera? I heard it's having exactly the same lens, CCD and most of the circuits of DVX100, so I'll assume it can produce similar picture quality (except for cineGamma and progressive)?

John Britt · January 29th, 2004, 08:49 PM

I'm not too familiar w/ the DVX100, although I tested one briefly. It is my understanding that the hardware of the DVX and the DVC are the same (lens, etc) and that the DVC80 simply lacks the cinematographer elements such as 24p, 30p, CineGamma, etc.

Based on that, I assume that the DVC80 produces the same quality as the DVX100 in 60i mode.

If you go to my site at www.karatemedia.com/video you can find four ads I have shot using the DVC80 -- either of the two for Musician's Warehouse and the two for Gardens at Eden.

I do relatively inexpensive run-n-gun shoots with only existing/ambient lighting. While the existing lighting on these shoots was pretty good, I have used this cam in faily low lighting with no additional gain and got a pretty good picture. I am a relatively inexperienced cameraman and these ads are encoded for the web, so keep that in mind.

The native XLR inputs are great, too.

Will the DVC80 suit your needs as well as the DVX100? That depends on what you plan to create...

Kaifoong Kok · January 30th, 2004, 02:39 AM

Thanks John, and man I love Fender guitars :)

Tony Levelle · January 30th, 2004, 12:37 PM

To compare features exactly, compare page 37 of DVC80 manual (Setting menus) with page 38 of DVX100A manual (Setting menus.)

Here's a quick summary of extra settings that the DVX100 has that the DVC80 doesn't.

MENU SETTING unique to DVX100a

Scene File ---> Color temp, Gamma, V detail freq, Progressive

SW mode ----> Iris Dial

Display setup--> Zebra Detect 2, Marker, Zoom Focus, EVF mode

Other function -->DV Control DV CMD Sel (controls a second DV device),

January 21st, 2004, 02:31 PM	#1
Kaifoong Kok Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Malaysia Posts: 57	difference between DVC80 and DVX100 Can anyone tell me what's the difference between DVC80 and DVX100? I only know the lacking of progressive. But saw someone here said it also lacking of gamma curve adjustment, but did see the "CineGamma" option in some sites -- meaning, it has a 'CineGamma' option but without the manually adjustable feature? If so, how many Gamma curve choices it got? I wish to find it out myself but can never see a detail user manual for DVC80 anywhere! I did download the brochere but it doesn't mention anything about picture adjustment at all! __________________ KaiF

January 21st, 2004, 02:32 PM	#2
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January 21st, 2004, 03:00 PM	#3
Kaifoong Kok Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Malaysia Posts: 57	hi Stephen. Ya I did search and read some of it (inclusive of the post from that VP of Panasonic) but couldn't find what I need. The first thing I wish to know is: Where to download user manual for DVC80? The reason for it is that I want to know exactly what picture adjustment it features (or to say, what's the difference in picture adjustment between DVC80 and VX2100). __________________ KaiF

January 28th, 2004, 07:59 AM	#5
Kaifoong Kok Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Malaysia Posts: 57	Ron, I can find operating manual for DVX100 in panasonic website but not on DVC80. If you found it, please give me the link. Thanks! __________________ KaiF

January 28th, 2004, 11:41 AM	#7
Kaifoong Kok Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Malaysia Posts: 57	Thanks John, but I'm looking for operational manual instead of the brochure because the brochure didn't mention manual picture adjustable functions in details. I want to make sure if it can adjust the matrix and gamma like DVX100 does. __________________ KaiF

January 21st, 2004, 04:48 PM	#4
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	Manuals are available on the www.Panasonic.com site. Ron

January 28th, 2004, 09:43 AM	#6
John Britt Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 621	http://www.panasonic.com/pbds/subcat/products/cams_ccorders/f_ag-dvc80.html Panasonic's page on the DVC80. Has link to .pdf of the brochure. http://www.panasonic.com/pbds/subcat..._ag-dvc80.html

January 28th, 2004, 12:43 PM	#8
John Britt Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 621	Sorry -- thought the brochure discussed "Scene Files" in depth. Here's a link to the owner's manual: http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/AGDVC80.PDF (if you go to panasonic.com, click on "support," then click on "operating manuals" you can search their whole database for manuals) What you want to know about are the "Scene File" settings. As an owner of a DVC80 I can tell you that it does not have a CineGamma feature. It's not in my hands at the moment, so that's about all I can tell you right now...

January 28th, 2004, 01:19 PM	#9
Kaifoong Kok Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Malaysia Posts: 57	Thanks John! This is what I need :) As an owner of DVC80, how do you rate this camera? I heard it's having exactly the same lens, CCD and most of the circuits of DVX100, so I'll assume it can produce similar picture quality (except for cineGamma and progressive)? __________________ KaiF

January 29th, 2004, 08:49 PM	#10
John Britt Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 621	I'm not too familiar w/ the DVX100, although I tested one briefly. It is my understanding that the hardware of the DVX and the DVC are the same (lens, etc) and that the DVC80 simply lacks the cinematographer elements such as 24p, 30p, CineGamma, etc. Based on that, I assume that the DVC80 produces the same quality as the DVX100 in 60i mode. If you go to my site at www.karatemedia.com/video you can find four ads I have shot using the DVC80 -- either of the two for Musician's Warehouse and the two for Gardens at Eden. I do relatively inexpensive run-n-gun shoots with only existing/ambient lighting. While the existing lighting on these shoots was pretty good, I have used this cam in faily low lighting with no additional gain and got a pretty good picture. I am a relatively inexperienced cameraman and these ads are encoded for the web, so keep that in mind. The native XLR inputs are great, too. Will the DVC80 suit your needs as well as the DVX100? That depends on what you plan to create...

January 30th, 2004, 02:39 AM	#11
Kaifoong Kok Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Malaysia Posts: 57	Thanks John, and man I love Fender guitars :) __________________ KaiF

January 30th, 2004, 12:37 PM	#12
Tony Levelle Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lower Lake, Ca. Posts: 33	To compare features exactly, compare page 37 of DVC80 manual (Setting menus) with page 38 of DVX100A manual (Setting menus.) Here's a quick summary of extra settings that the DVX100 has that the DVC80 doesn't. MENU SETTING unique to DVX100a Scene File ---> Color temp, Gamma, V detail freq, Progressive SW mode ----> Iris Dial Display setup--> Zebra Detect 2, Marker, Zoom Focus, EVF mode Other function -->DV Control DV CMD Sel (controls a second DV device), __________________ A true friend's eye is a good mirror. Irish proverb