Panasonic HD (moved from Area 51 forum)

Ignacio Rodriguez · February 26th, 2005, 11:40 AM

> The new HDX400 is a DVCPRO-HD 1080i camera

Yes. So I had been led to believe... but the HDX100 is 720p, is it not?

Aaron Shaw · February 26th, 2005, 01:17 PM

We don't know yet. There's been no official release but I highly suspect it will be 720p. 1080 would be a hard bandwidth to pull off in this price range.

Peter Jefferson · February 26th, 2005, 06:30 PM

it'll be like the JVC build, native 720p, with 1080i upscalability...
in the end 720p is alot more eficient in editing , storage etc etc.. and you dont need a dual xeon to get results...

Ignacio Rodriguez · February 26th, 2005, 09:12 PM

Hmm I wouldn't know about the dual Xeon since I use FCP... however: DVCPROHD is 100 Mbps for both 720p or 1080i, so in terms of bandwidth management there should be no difference.

As I understand it, the HDX100 will do 720p (as well as some sort of SD) and the HDX400 will do 1080i. What is not clear is if the model that supports 1080i will also do 720p or SD, or if they both have tape transports as well as the P2 slot. 720p60, at 100 Mbps, cannot be written to a standard DV tape. The cameras are also said to support various frame rates, and at least one of them will do 24p, which should bring the bandwidth down to 40 Mbps, still not low enough for an inexpensive tape transport, but --if my math is right-- low enough for a 16 Gbyte P2 card to hold almost an hour of video.

There actually was a press conference a few days ago where at least one of the new models were mentioned and some specs were revealed. Information from this conference, as well as informal conversations between members here and Panasonic insiders have leaked and this is why we are talking about this here. But Panasonic asked the press not to disseminate any information until a later date.

This is NOT about the consumerish mock-ups with a pistol grip and a super-8 like look. This might be the direct replacement of the DVX100 in Panasonic's prosumer front and it seems to directly compete with the Sony FX1/Z1.

Jan Crittenden Livingston · February 27th, 2005, 05:36 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Ignacio Rodriguez :
This is NOT about the consumerish mock-ups with a pistol grip and a super-8 like look. This might be the direct replacement of the DVX100 in Panasonic's prosumer front and it seems to directly compete with the Sony FX1/Z1. -->>>

Ignacio, absolutely right on point one, it is not like any of the consumerish mock-ups with a pistol grip and a super-8 like look. Point two, no, it is not a replacement for the DVX100 and competition for the the FX1. It is competition for the Z1.

Hope that guides the thinking here.

Best,

Jan

February 26th, 2005, 11:40 AM	#46
Ignacio Rodriguez Contributor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 932	> The new HDX400 is a DVCPRO-HD 1080i camera Yes. So I had been led to believe... but the HDX100 is 720p, is it not? __________________ Ignacio Rodríguez in the third world. @micronauta on Twitter. Main hardware: brain, eyes, hands.

February 26th, 2005, 09:12 PM	#49
Ignacio Rodriguez Contributor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 932	Hmm I wouldn't know about the dual Xeon since I use FCP... however: DVCPROHD is 100 Mbps for both 720p or 1080i, so in terms of bandwidth management there should be no difference. As I understand it, the HDX100 will do 720p (as well as some sort of SD) and the HDX400 will do 1080i. What is not clear is if the model that supports 1080i will also do 720p or SD, or if they both have tape transports as well as the P2 slot. 720p60, at 100 Mbps, cannot be written to a standard DV tape. The cameras are also said to support various frame rates, and at least one of them will do 24p, which should bring the bandwidth down to 40 Mbps, still not low enough for an inexpensive tape transport, but --if my math is right-- low enough for a 16 Gbyte P2 card to hold almost an hour of video. There actually was a press conference a few days ago where at least one of the new models were mentioned and some specs were revealed. Information from this conference, as well as informal conversations between members here and Panasonic insiders have leaked and this is why we are talking about this here. But Panasonic asked the press not to disseminate any information until a later date. This is NOT about the consumerish mock-ups with a pistol grip and a super-8 like look. This might be the direct replacement of the DVX100 in Panasonic's prosumer front and it seems to directly compete with the Sony FX1/Z1. __________________ Ignacio Rodríguez in the third world. @micronauta on Twitter. Main hardware: brain, eyes, hands.

February 26th, 2005, 01:17 PM	#47
Aaron Shaw Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 587	We don't know yet. There's been no official release but I highly suspect it will be 720p. 1080 would be a hard bandwidth to pull off in this price range.

February 26th, 2005, 06:30 PM	#48
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	it'll be like the JVC build, native 720p, with 1080i upscalability... in the end 720p is alot more eficient in editing , storage etc etc.. and you dont need a dual xeon to get results...

February 27th, 2005, 05:36 AM	#50
Jan Crittenden Livingston Panasonic Broadcast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Secaucus, NJ 07094 Posts: 271	<<<-- Originally posted by Ignacio Rodriguez : This is NOT about the consumerish mock-ups with a pistol grip and a super-8 like look. This might be the direct replacement of the DVX100 in Panasonic's prosumer front and it seems to directly compete with the Sony FX1/Z1. -->>> Ignacio, absolutely right on point one, it is not like any of the consumerish mock-ups with a pistol grip and a super-8 like look. Point two, no, it is not a replacement for the DVX100 and competition for the the FX1. It is competition for the Z1. Hope that guides the thinking here. Best, Jan