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200kbps+ downloading. Thanks Chris. *smile* - ShannonRawls.com |
Wait a minute....Are any of these converted to .WMV files for us PC users since PC's wont play any of the HVX200 footage.
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these are the same files for MacOS
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which ones do we PC users download? dont want to download 400MB (waste ur bandwidth) to find out it a MAC clip...
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Nothing is. I'm going to do what Jeff metion in other thread to prepare the files for windows users, but if I do that, I can't go out to shoot.
What do people think about what I shot so far? I know they are not professionally shot, but am I providing enough variations for people to evaluate the cam well? Then, I will work on Windows stuff and when the sun goes down, I will do the night shooting. |
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Screw the windows users Kaku...go get that footage!!!!!!
And what do I think of what you've done so far???? I think.... and this is just my opinion... that you.... Kaku Ito.... ARE AWESOME!!!! And I appreciate everything you do for the Digital Video Community. It's hard to find unbiased opinions like yours 'round these parts. But that's just me. - ShannonRawls.com |
If somebody can do the conversions then I can host those clips too.
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And YOU!!!
Mr. CHRIS "Smackdown" HURD! You're the man too for making this place possible. *daps* - ShannonRawls.com |
Ah, Shannon....that's rather drastic.
I think they are well frustrated already. I'm trying to do something for the Windows users. |
Any Mac can save out the files as AVIs but it would be DVCProHD wrapped in AVI so I suspect one would still need the DVCProHD codec.
I think the issue is, is that all the Mac users here have Final Cut Pro 4.5 or 5.0 and they come with the DVCProHD codec. Apparently MANY Windows NLEs do NOT include the DVCProHD codec. If it's Quicktime .mov files at issue, any FCP system or QuicktimePro can save the file as AVI instead without any additional compression. Mac users with Flip4Mac Studio Pro can create WMVHD files but those are compressed of course. I think Jan C. may have implied (or I inferred) on another thread that some Windows NLEs might be able to read the MXF files. Hope some of the info here will help in coming up with a workflow to get the files viewable on Windows. BTW all this is actually a significant issue if one is working in a mixed OS environment. The ability to move these files from FCP ingest to something a Windows user can work with without any additional compression, is certainly something we need to think about and solve in some real world post workflows. |
Craig,
Very good point. Can anyone do the conversion for me to AVI and send them to Chris? I'm swamped here. I'm supposed to do a couple of editings and write article for VideoAlpha magazine, too. |
If somebody can do these conversions and shoot me an email. Then I'll reply with our FTP upload account info. I'm on the road again tomorrow, heading frtom Dallas back to San Marcos, so it might be later tomorrow night before I can do anything. But try to contact me anyway and I'll see what I can do.
(Hey Kaku -- thanks again for all of your effort with this -- it's much appreciated!) |
Mucho huge millions of thanks to Kaku, Marc Olivier Chouinard, and Chris Hurd for hosting such massive files and offering up such massive bandwidth. Not an easy or inexpensive offering.
All is being confirmed many times over, from Barry Green's, Michael Pappas', and Kaku's footage that beyond the fear, uncertainty, and doubt, a huge revolution is taking place here. And we have yet to see a 35mm imager on the front end. :O :D ;) Stay tuned... |
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The Avid DV100 (DVCPRO-HD) codec is freely downloadable, but that in and of itself doesn't let windows users see these files. You actually have to be running Avid in order to see them. So right now the quicktimes are only viable for Mac users and for Avid Express Pro HD users. |
MOV to AVI - missing DVCProHD!
FCP and QuicktimePro can of course play DVCProHD without issue BUT can only save DVCPro and DVCPro50 to AVI.
Why the heck would then NOT provide a means to save DVCProHD to an AVI wrapper? I've done MANY projects where I've had to move DV wrapped in .mov to .avi for clients to some things on their own Windows NLE and graphics systems and never thought that they'd exclude DVCProHD, especially since they support DVCPro50 to AVI. Apple deserves a MAJOR spanking on this one! |
long time watcher - noob poster here ...
Hey, Craig - think Apple will certainly release a save to .avi. Next QT update - or with OS 10.4.4 - my guess only. Don't think Panasonic could have reliably informed them prior to the last qt update, when the release date would be. Sheesh - the whole game is moving sooo fast atm, as I know you know - not just for us but Apple and devs as well ... |
Rob,
Apple supported DVCProHD in Final Cut Pro 4.5. FCP4.x came with QuicktimePro 6.5.x. You'd think by the time Apple released FCP5 (which added HDV support) and came with QuicktimePro 7, they'd have included the ability to save DVCProHD to AVI. It wouldn't be a great leap for them since they do support saving DVCPro50 to AVI. Some thinking out loud. There are basically three major NLEs on the Mac. Final Cut Pro, Avid which is cross platform, Media 100 (now owned by Boris) which has a software only version of Media 100. I'm not sure if that'll be cross platform but I would suspect the various Media 100s on the Windows side can read files out of the Media 100 variants on the Mac side. Addendum - I also looked at exporting to DV stream and that too supports DVCPro and DVCPro50 but NOT DVCProHD Barry, You mention Avid Express HD supporting Quicktime. Canopus Edius Broadcast supports MXF. Will it support DVCProHD in an AVI wrapper? Does Avid Express HD support MXF or would one have to go to the "higher" Avid systems? What about Pinnacle now owned by Avid (Avid Liquid)? Sony Vegas or would one have to have an Xpri? I'm trying to discern which Windows NLEs support DVCProHD and if there's a common wrapper between MXF and AVI (apparently NOT MOV) they can handle DVCProHD in? I see this as a major issue for people who work in cross platform environments. |
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Apple supported DVCProHD in Final Cut Pro 4.5. FCP4.x came with QuicktimePro 6.5.x. You'd think by the time Apple released FCP5 (which added HDV support) and came with QuicktimePro 7, they'd have included the ability to save DVCProHD to AVI. It wouldn't be a great leap for them since they do support saving DVCPro50 to AVI" I agree - as you say, cross platform working environments are common. Yes, it's necessary. Apple's call I'd say. |
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Sorry if I'm asking questions with obvious answers, but I want to know, based on what this thread discusses, what are the minimum requirements for a PC system running Avid or Canopus that will be capable of editing DVCPro HD. I'm not a professional, so I really am asking for the minimum. I don't even know how to get the footage from the P2 card to my PC!
And how much Hard Drive space will the video files take up? If 2 250GIG hard drives suits well enough for a couple of hours worth of HDV, would an upgrade be needed for this DVProHD footage? Also, there's no mention of Premiere Pro (it's my favourite editor) - has Premiere missed the boat completely with DVProHD? |
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Thanks for that! I'm impressed! I had no idea about the USB from Camera to PC option, and I suspected that the requirements on the PC would be substantially higher than for regular HDV. Canopus and Avid recommend Dual Xeon processors for their software but is it safe to assume that Dual AMD Opterons will do just as good a job? I had almost given in and bought a Z1... Perhaps I'll hold out even longer and see about this camera... I'm told it won't appear here in Australia until March '06 though... |
Here is the "HVX200carspassing1080_24p_jpeg.mov" 1080i60 clip, reverse-telecined and converted into Photo jpeg codec (1920x1080, 24p) for playback on PC and slow mac's: http://www.andersholck.com/HVX200car...0_24p_jpeg.mov
(It does have more compression noise than the original DVCPRO HD file. But plays smoothly on my old PowerBook) |
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The Canopus website describing Edius starts here:
http://www.canopus.com/products/nlesoftware.php You can run Edius via firewire only or you can use one of the Canopus hardware options for alternative input/output options. You will need to read through the pages to see what each hardware package offers and to decide which, if any, is relevant to your needs. The Broadcast bundle will be available (next week?) as an optional add on to EdiusPro3. It looks as though it will be a good value option. It includes DVCPro, DVCPro HD, P2, Varicam, XDCam and Windows Media support. |
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Wow, i'm very impressed with the latest Kaku clips. The Bamboo clips along with the city shots have a very rich color and texture to them. Very nice. The performance of the HVX200 sofar, is good......
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Michael,
I'm going for the night shooting for a bit soon. Should I keep the gain to zero all the time? Or do you folks want to see the gain up for certain situation? |
Make the same shot once without and for another time with the highest gain.
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Good idea Robert.
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Thanks Kaku,
I posted all ur info on Sumi-san's BBS, Also, I've checked almost all your footage, Looks great. I like to use my FCP-HD to analyze your clip. 60p is so useful and even I tried 4 times slow down, looks great. I love to use with steadicam. 1080p, I like to see more depth of field test. let us know, thanks again |
Mr. Funahara,
Many thanks for reporting the scoops from here at Sumi-san's site. I can't even keep up with providing Japanese information (in my own language) because the demand from the world is so much!! I will try to do glidecam (V8) when I go do the bike field in Makuhari in few days. Please wait for DOF stuff, I have to think of something. I almost thought of calling up Mr. Toru Kogure for cooperation....but he must be busy....can't bother him I think....but maybe I should. |
Kaku,
Once again the first footage from the latest camera comes from Kaku! I enjoyed it, thanks... Nice to see the neighborhood again. I especially enjoyed seeing the cell phone fall out of his pocket in 60p, bounce off the bike and explode on the ground. Frederic |
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Thanks to Kaku for taking the time to shoot and distribute this footage and to Chris Hurd for the bandwidth space to provide this footage to all of us! I'm downloading the last files now and they all look great.
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Is it me, or no Mac User gave any h264 or other option for the windows user ? Mac user are really the worst user friendly out there ;) Excluding Kaku ofcourse who have to spend his precious time shooting those video.
Ive tryed extracting the dvcpro hd video to raw file than try other dvcpro hd decoder and it didnt work. It like if the Mac produced dvcpro HD is not correctly created (Which wouldnt surprise me). I can't wait for the day that Mac die first, then Windows die so Linux or other nice opensource os prevail !!! :) Hope to see a Windows user who sadly own a Mac at the same time to convert the files, mouhaha |
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Did you see this? and how did my H.264 file work for you? |
Hi nope didnt saw it, Thanks alot for uploading this, I'll load it up into avid hd ;)
the h264 work in VideoLan.org, my favorite video player. I guess you can get it for mac too and see the result with it, it should be the same on a windows user. |
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