Philip Bloom's 35mn lens adaptor comparisons at DVinfo.net

Eric Peltier · February 8th, 2007, 04:32 PM

Finally a place where you can see a comparison of the most common 35mn lens adaptors, the Redrock M2, the SGPro, and the Brevis 35. no Mini35 because it falls into a much more expensive category.
Many thanks to Philip Bloom.

http://web.mac.com/philip.bloom/iWeb...out/Intro.html
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Chris Barcellos · February 8th, 2007, 05:48 PM

Here's a thread on this site where Phil and company, including manufacturers have been discussing the shootout:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...=81526&page=15

Phil Bloom · February 8th, 2007, 07:30 PM

wow...a thread with my name in it. I am embarrassed!

I am planning on making the shootout pages an evolving thing. I now have a JVC200 and plan on doing a mini shootout with the Brevis and M2 on it. It is the perfect adaptor cam due to its shoulder mounted design and inbuilt flip features

By the way. I finally got my hands on a mini 35 on Tuesday with the JVC250. Very nice, perfect fit, expensive looking but oh my god it was SOOOO dark. This was at a big exhibition at earls court you could barely see a thing when pointing at the ambient lighting and only just getting exposure on the brightly lit stuff, this with a cooke lens at t2. p&s need to rethink and reprice. For starters they should bring out a mini 35 without the flip for this camera and gain 2 stops there straight away. Redrock make a better flip free adaptor for a fraction of the price. Even good old Wayne in Brighton has made one himself that is far superior!!

Chris Hurd · February 8th, 2007, 08:02 PM

It amazes me that we can have a three-month-old discussion thread with almost 14,000 views and more than 200 replies on one of our most popular boards, and then suddenly it's news over on this forum!

I think some of our folks are only just learning about this stuff by browsing the various blogs out on the web instead of checking out what's happening around here on a regular basis. Maybe we need our own blog...

Sam Jankis · February 9th, 2007, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Bloom

By the way. I finally got my hands on a mini 35 on Tuesday with the JVC250. Very nice, perfect fit, expensive looking but oh my god it was SOOOO dark. This was at a big exhibition at earls court you could barely see a thing when pointing at the ambient lighting and only just getting exposure on the brightly lit stuff, this with a cooke lens at t2.

I've suspected this for a long time... but I've never checked it out first hand. It's good to hear it coming from you though. Now what about the Movietube?

Phil Bloom · February 9th, 2007, 11:27 AM

I saw it but didn't play with it. What a bizarre looking contraption. From what I saw on a monitor it looks brighter than the Mini35 but by how much I couldn't say!

Robert Kirkpatrick · February 9th, 2007, 02:10 PM

I've seen that the comparisons have been posted in various forums and on HD for Indies and FresHDV. Phil, you must be getting major hits on your webpage. Well-deserved, because the article is pretty solid and well-done.

Ken Willinger · February 9th, 2007, 02:57 PM

I played around with the Movietube at NAB last year and was pretty impressed by it. It does mount the camera very oddly and becomes quite a large setup, but very secure and easily used for handheld work. Under the convention hall lights it looked quite bright (with Cooke lens) but it would be interesting to see it in a real world application. It was very expensive, If IRC the price was about $13,500. I've currently got a Brevis35 that I'm using with an HVX and it is making great images, in low light situations.

Phil Bloom · February 11th, 2007, 04:15 AM

Does anyone know how well the movietube works with the HVX?

Robert Lane · February 11th, 2007, 08:28 AM

Abel Cine/LA is the exclusive US dealer for the MovieTube; they had one on display at the P2 Presentation this past Thursday. I didn't get a chance to connect it to the HVX but it would let more light through than the Mini-35 since it has no spinning ground glass. It's also more expensive than the Mini-35, which I can't quite figure out. And it is a beast of a unit since it puts the camera at a 45-degree angle from the lens optical line.

Abel does rent them at reasonable prices so anyone curious enough could pick it up and try it.

On a side note, Zacuto is in the beta phase of their own lens adapter system. It is similar in concept to the MovieTube in that it also does not use any spinning ground glass but the lenses mount in-line optically so it's not a beast-ly add-on. No word on exact availability yet but summer seems reasonable.

February 8th, 2007, 04:32 PM	#1
Eric Peltier Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: San Francisco/Paris Posts: 121	Philip Bloom's 35mn lens adaptor comparisons Finally a place where you can see a comparison of the most common 35mn lens adaptors, the Redrock M2, the SGPro, and the Brevis 35. no Mini35 because it falls into a much more expensive category. Many thanks to Philip Bloom. http://web.mac.com/philip.bloom/iWeb...out/Intro.html e. __________________ Sights Sounds Stories www.tinboxtwo.com www.reardenstudios.com

February 8th, 2007, 05:48 PM	#2
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Here's a thread on this site where Phil and company, including manufacturers have been discussing the shootout: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...=81526&page=15 __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

February 8th, 2007, 07:30 PM	#3
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	wow...a thread with my name in it. I am embarrassed! I am planning on making the shootout pages an evolving thing. I now have a JVC200 and plan on doing a mini shootout with the Brevis and M2 on it. It is the perfect adaptor cam due to its shoulder mounted design and inbuilt flip features By the way. I finally got my hands on a mini 35 on Tuesday with the JVC250. Very nice, perfect fit, expensive looking but oh my god it was SOOOO dark. This was at a big exhibition at earls court you could barely see a thing when pointing at the ambient lighting and only just getting exposure on the brightly lit stuff, this with a cooke lens at t2. p&s need to rethink and reprice. For starters they should bring out a mini 35 without the flip for this camera and gain 2 stops there straight away. Redrock make a better flip free adaptor for a fraction of the price. Even good old Wayne in Brighton has made one himself that is far superior!! __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

February 8th, 2007, 08:02 PM	#4
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	It amazes me that we can have a three-month-old discussion thread with almost 14,000 views and more than 200 replies on one of our most popular boards, and then suddenly it's news over on this forum! I think some of our folks are only just learning about this stuff by browsing the various blogs out on the web instead of checking out what's happening around here on a regular basis. Maybe we need our own blog... __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 9th, 2007, 11:27 AM	#6
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	I saw it but didn't play with it. What a bizarre looking contraption. From what I saw on a monitor it looks brighter than the Mini35 but by how much I couldn't say! __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

February 9th, 2007, 02:10 PM	#7
Robert Kirkpatrick Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 199	I've seen that the comparisons have been posted in various forums and on HD for Indies and FresHDV. Phil, you must be getting major hits on your webpage. Well-deserved, because the article is pretty solid and well-done.

February 9th, 2007, 02:57 PM	#8
Ken Willinger Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lexington, MA Posts: 89	I played around with the Movietube at NAB last year and was pretty impressed by it. It does mount the camera very oddly and becomes quite a large setup, but very secure and easily used for handheld work. Under the convention hall lights it looked quite bright (with Cooke lens) but it would be interesting to see it in a real world application. It was very expensive, If IRC the price was about $13,500. I've currently got a Brevis35 that I'm using with an HVX and it is making great images, in low light situations.

February 11th, 2007, 04:15 AM	#9
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	Does anyone know how well the movietube works with the HVX? __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net Last edited by Phil Bloom; February 11th, 2007 at 06:17 AM.

February 11th, 2007, 08:28 AM	#10
Robert Lane Go Go Godzilla Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ USA Posts: 2,823 Images: 15	Abel Cine/LA is the exclusive US dealer for the MovieTube; they had one on display at the P2 Presentation this past Thursday. I didn't get a chance to connect it to the HVX but it would let more light through than the Mini-35 since it has no spinning ground glass. It's also more expensive than the Mini-35, which I can't quite figure out. And it is a beast of a unit since it puts the camera at a 45-degree angle from the lens optical line. Abel does rent them at reasonable prices so anyone curious enough could pick it up and try it. On a side note, Zacuto is in the beta phase of their own lens adapter system. It is similar in concept to the MovieTube in that it also does not use any spinning ground glass but the lenses mount in-line optically so it's not a beast-ly add-on. No word on exact availability yet but summer seems reasonable.