Video tour for New website

Michael Jouravlev · October 6th, 2007, 03:55 PM

The girl is hot, but what is more important, she did her job perfectly. Dang, I knew she was a professional. Leave the lip biting, it is soooo cute and sexy, just trim half a second AFTER the biting.

The whole thing looks perfect to me. The only gripe I have that you used the same transition twice: you show the girl, then the girl within the page, then you click a link and bring some boring list instead of the girl. Looked ok for the first time, but for the second time not so.

Otherwise, great!

Eric Shepherd · October 6th, 2007, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Jouravlev

The girl is hot, but what is more important, she did her job perfectly. Dang, I knew she was a professional. Leave the lip biting, it is soooo cute and sexy, just trim half a second AFTER the biting.

The whole thing looks perfect to me. The only gripe I have that you used the same transition twice: you show the girl, then the girl within the page, then you click a link and bring some boring list instead of the girl. Looked ok for the first time, but for the second time not so.

Otherwise, great!

I think you'd prefer he just remove the website completely, am I right? :P

Travis Binkle · October 7th, 2007, 04:00 PM

Seems like I could make an "all spokes model version" and that wouldn't be such a bad thing.

Michael Jouravlev · October 7th, 2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Binkle

Seems like I could make an "all spokes model version" and that wouldn't be such a bad thing.

Nah, you could not. After all, you are advertising a website, not a girl. You wanted to keep male viewers glued to the screen, so you put a hot girl up. But she does not bring a bit of extra information, while website screenshots do. For purely informational purposes a voiceover would have been enough and you could use an ugly girl with nice voice for probably ten times cheaper.

I hate myself for watching your video till the end despite your cheap trick, and for watching it once again just right after that. Lip biting, ummm! Sexy.

Travis Binkle · October 9th, 2007, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Jouravlev

Nah, you could not. After all, you are advertising a website, not a girl. You wanted to keep male viewers glued to the screen, so you put a hot girl up. But she does not bring a bit of extra information, while website screenshots do. For purely informational purposes a voiceover would have been enough and you could use an ugly girl with nice voice for probably ten times cheaper.

I hate myself for watching your video till the end despite your cheap trick, and for watching it once again just right after that. Lip biting, ummm! Sexy.

Actually my last quote was more of a joke for you, than an actual consideration. I don't think of her as a cheap trick either. I'm certainly not the first person to use a Spokes model. It's more of an advertising fact that the video will be viewed more with her in it than without. Besides, if the site takes off, I know they plan on using a male version too, for future announcements.

Michael Jouravlev · October 10th, 2007, 12:14 AM

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Actually my last quote was more of a joke for you, than an actual consideration.

I got it, don't you worry.

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I don't think of her as a cheap trick either. I'm certainly not the first person to use a Spokes model. It's more of an advertising fact that the video will be viewed more with her in it than without.

Sex sells, sex sell. Everyone knows that. And it IS a cheap trick, based on pure human nature. I am not blaming you for that, this is what everyone is doing. She's cute, I watched your ad twice.

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Besides, if the site takes off, I know they plan on using a male version too, for future announcements.

Right, IF the site takes off. For it to take off they are using a girl. Figures.

Travis Binkle · October 10th, 2007, 03:28 PM

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I got it, don't you worry.

You obviously didn't get it, otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to tell me my business, twice in fact. I understand how the world works. I'm not some kid fresh out of school.

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Originally Posted by Michael Jouravlev

Nah, you could not. After all, you are advertising a website, not a girl. You wanted to keep male viewers glued to the screen, so you put a hot girl up. But she does not bring a bit of extra information, while website screenshots do. For purely informational purposes a voiceover would have been enough and you could use an ugly girl with nice voice for probably ten times cheaper.

I hate myself for watching your video till the end despite your cheap trick, and for watching it once again just right after that. Lip biting, ummm! Sexy.

You mentioned many times about her being "sexy" and I was merely adding to Eric's post to you, about removing the website completely.

Thanks for your comments Michael, but this is the last I will discuss these issues here, as I don't feel this thread is headed in a direction worthy of this board.

Eric Shepherd · October 10th, 2007, 03:34 PM

I stand by my original comments. She did a great job with it, and you did a great job on the video. She's not trying to be sexy, she's just being natural and describing a product and does a great job of that.

No need to make it out to be a late night tv chat line advertisement. She's not playing it that way at all.

Nice work Travis, again. :)

Travis Binkle · October 10th, 2007, 03:58 PM

Thanks Eric. Maybe I flew off the handle there, but your right, that we didn't play it out "sexy" I guess when I hear "IS a cheap trick" I sorta took offense to it. I mean, it's not like she was in a bikini and talking all seductively.

Anyway I'd rather focus on what people think it's worth money wise. What you think you could expect to pay and/or charge for a job like this. I know I gave them more than what they paid for as their budget was small. But they have plans of doing more video and I can't do them all for as little as this one. I was looking for others in the field to give there opinions on the matter and maybe share the thread with them after, but obliviously I won't be doing that now, though I would still be interested in thoughts on the matter.

Eric Shepherd · October 10th, 2007, 04:06 PM

Hey no problem. It wasn't a GoDaddy ad, after all. ;)

As far as cost.. Geez, I don't really know. How many hours did you put into it? Did you have to rent/buy anything to do the job? How much did the spokesperson cost? What is your usual hourly/project rate?

I guess it's really just basic math. It's tough to say 'well it looks like a $500 ad' or whatever, because only you know what went into making this work. $500 may be too little, given that there's another person involved, and she probably commands a decent bit of change, so that was just an example, not meant to imply a value for it.

Give us some figures and maybe we can give you an idea of it. And how much did you bill them and what was the agreement for future work?

Also regarding future work, you mentioned going with a male in the future. I personally think that this person should be the 'face' of the website. Instead of changing people from time to time, it would be good to stick with one person. Or add a second (male), if the site is geared towards females as well. Using the home gym ads as a reference, they want men and women to be interested in the home gym, so they show men and women using it. It's like clockwork how they edit them too. 2 or 3 seconds of the guy, then 2 or 3 seconds of the girl, showing the same exercise with each of them. Then they take turns talking to each other and the audience about what makes this one so special and easy, etc.

Chuck Norris should run for president. :)

Michael Jouravlev · October 10th, 2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Binkle

You obviously didn't get it, otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to tell me my business, twice in fact. I understand how the world works. I'm not some kid fresh out of school.

I obviously got it, and I am not telling you your business, had no intention to. You posted the link for others to watch and to leave an opinion, this is what I did, I left my opinion as a viewer. I really don't care are you some kid fresh out of school or not. I praised your work if you haven't noticed.

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You mentioned many times about her being "sexy"

Isn't she?

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Maybe I flew off the handle there, but your right, that we didn't play it out "sexy"

Why is she wearing a tight top then? I am not a prude, and she is not topless, but I consider this piece to have a clear sexual overtone, this is how I see it. Again, NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

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Originally Posted by Travis Binkle

I guess when I hear "IS a cheap trick" I sorta took offense to it. I mean, it's not like she was in a bikini and talking all seductively.

No, she is not in bikini. She just wears a tight top, she's young, attractive, with good makeup, and she bites her lip ;-) As I said before, she does not provide a bit of extra information compared to a simple voiceover. Well, maybe only to emphasize that the website can host videos too.

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Anyway I'd rather focus on what people think it's worth money wise.

And now I have to shut up. I just had to clarify my opinion so you was not taking it as offence or attack. Obviously, your customer is happy to have a pretty girl instead of just boring web pages. I LOVED your work too. Really, really.

Travis Binkle · October 10th, 2007, 10:26 PM

Again, thanks for your input Michael, I'm not holding any grudges or anything. I appreciate the time you took to comment and your input.

And when Chuck Norris does a pushup, he isn't lifting himself up, he's pushing the Earth down.

Eric Shepherd · October 11th, 2007, 08:25 AM

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And when Chuck Norris does a pushup, he isn't lifting himself up, he's pushing the Earth down.

Exactly. If you're going to include a guy in the next ones, it has to be that caliber of man/machine. :)

Travis Binkle · October 11th, 2007, 11:56 AM

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Exactly. If you're going to include a guy in the next ones, it has to be that caliber of man/machine. :)

I'll do my best to pitch that to my clients using statments like: "His tears could probably be sold as an ultimate energy drink..."

Too bad Chuck Norris has never cried.

Ever.

Eric Shepherd · October 11th, 2007, 11:58 AM

Well no, but then when you use hot sauce for eye drops, how could you?

October 6th, 2007, 03:55 PM	#16
Michael Jouravlev Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 209	The girl is hot, but what is more important, she did her job perfectly. Dang, I knew she was a professional. Leave the lip biting, it is soooo cute and sexy, just trim half a second AFTER the biting. The whole thing looks perfect to me. The only gripe I have that you used the same transition twice: you show the girl, then the girl within the page, then you click a link and bring some boring list instead of the girl. Looked ok for the first time, but for the second time not so. Otherwise, great!

October 7th, 2007, 04:00 PM	#18
Travis Binkle Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 84	Seems like I could make an "all spokes model version" and that wouldn't be such a bad thing.

October 10th, 2007, 03:34 PM	#23
Eric Shepherd Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 404	I stand by my original comments. She did a great job with it, and you did a great job on the video. She's not trying to be sexy, she's just being natural and describing a product and does a great job of that. No need to make it out to be a late night tv chat line advertisement. She's not playing it that way at all. Nice work Travis, again. :)

October 10th, 2007, 03:58 PM	#24
Travis Binkle Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 84	Thanks Eric. Maybe I flew off the handle there, but your right, that we didn't play it out "sexy" I guess when I hear "IS a cheap trick" I sorta took offense to it. I mean, it's not like she was in a bikini and talking all seductively. Anyway I'd rather focus on what people think it's worth money wise. What you think you could expect to pay and/or charge for a job like this. I know I gave them more than what they paid for as their budget was small. But they have plans of doing more video and I can't do them all for as little as this one. I was looking for others in the field to give there opinions on the matter and maybe share the thread with them after, but obliviously I won't be doing that now, though I would still be interested in thoughts on the matter.

October 10th, 2007, 04:06 PM	#25
Eric Shepherd Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 404	Hey no problem. It wasn't a GoDaddy ad, after all. ;) As far as cost.. Geez, I don't really know. How many hours did you put into it? Did you have to rent/buy anything to do the job? How much did the spokesperson cost? What is your usual hourly/project rate? I guess it's really just basic math. It's tough to say 'well it looks like a $500 ad' or whatever, because only you know what went into making this work. $500 may be too little, given that there's another person involved, and she probably commands a decent bit of change, so that was just an example, not meant to imply a value for it. Give us some figures and maybe we can give you an idea of it. And how much did you bill them and what was the agreement for future work? Also regarding future work, you mentioned going with a male in the future. I personally think that this person should be the 'face' of the website. Instead of changing people from time to time, it would be good to stick with one person. Or add a second (male), if the site is geared towards females as well. Using the home gym ads as a reference, they want men and women to be interested in the home gym, so they show men and women using it. It's like clockwork how they edit them too. 2 or 3 seconds of the guy, then 2 or 3 seconds of the girl, showing the same exercise with each of them. Then they take turns talking to each other and the audience about what makes this one so special and easy, etc. Chuck Norris should run for president. :)

October 10th, 2007, 10:26 PM	#27
Travis Binkle Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 84	Again, thanks for your input Michael, I'm not holding any grudges or anything. I appreciate the time you took to comment and your input. And when Chuck Norris does a pushup, he isn't lifting himself up, he's pushing the Earth down.

October 11th, 2007, 11:58 AM	#30
Eric Shepherd Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 404	Well no, but then when you use hot sauce for eye drops, how could you?