Any pmw 320 owners here? at DVinfo.net

Antony Michael Wilson · February 18th, 2011, 05:42 AM

The 350 gets a bit of discussion on here but the 320 seems to be less popular. Are there any 320 owners here who can comment on how happy they are with the camera? I'm particularly interested in how the stock lens performs with regard to CA.

Any 320 comments from those who own it or have used it in earnest welcome!

Ronnie Martin · February 25th, 2011, 06:13 PM

I have the 320 and so far the only problem I have had is matching all three of my EX cameras. Ex-1R,Ex-3 and the 320. I have looked and looked for scene files designed for the 320 but all I can find is for the 350.

Anyone know or seen any scene files for the 320 that would help match it to PP files in the Ex-1R, ane Ex-3. I believe that the PPs for the ex-1R and the ex-3 are the same

Thanks

Ronnie

Antony Michael Wilson · March 3rd, 2011, 01:33 PM

Hi Ronnie

At last! I was beginning to think there was nobody out there with a 320. A local dealer here tells me they haven't sold a single unit...

Can you comment on how happy you are with the bundled lens? Is it just the same as the EX1/EX3 optics in a bayonet housing? The EX1 and EX3 show significant CA on back-lit subjects, particularly in the corners when wide. Is this any better with the 320? I'm told there is some sort of electronic CA compensation on the 320 and 350. Does it work well in practice?

Many thanks

Ronnie Martin · March 3rd, 2011, 03:29 PM

Hello Anthony: The only lens I have tried is the stock lens. It is a 16x and the lens on the ex-3 is a 14x lens.

I ordered a mechanical focus control for the 320 and I am waiting for it before I put it into service. My main complaint with the Ex-1R and the Ex-3 is the absence of the small tapped hole on the side of the lens that allows the more common mechanical speedometer cable type of manual focus control. The 320 is what I had hoped for before the Ex-3 came out.

From the limited amount of shooting I have done with the 320 I am really satisfied. I still have not been able to match the 320 to the ex-3 and Ex-1R. Starting with the default factory settings out of the box the ex-1R and the Ex-3 match pretty good. However, the 320 with the factory settings appears a tad softer. I really screwed up on one shoot. I tried to match the PPF from Doug Jenson's Doug 1 settings from his instructional DVD for the Ex-3 and "Ex-1 and over corrected it a bit and now I have to start over.

Surely someone out there in Cyberland has matched a 320 to the Ex-1R/Ex-3. If so I would like to find out what PP and scene files that they used.

As far as comfort shooting hanheld, the 320 is so much more comfortable. Last year I shot with the Ex-3 over 150 hours on one 20 week project and my shoulder still hurts. I have an after market shoulder brace for the Ex-3 and it helps a great deal but is still not as comfortable as the 320. My Ex-3 set up weighs one pound less than the 320 with the same accessories and the same battery. For some reason the 320 just fits my poor old tired shoulder much better.

I have not noticed any CA problems with any of the EX cameras that I have used even with the stock lens.
You can pick any camera apart. Each one has pros and cons. When some one is tearing down a product I usually take it with a grain of salt and try to look into what camera brand their loyalty extends.

There are many great cameras out there at this point in history and it is more likely than not that you will get great video from all of them.

Take care

Ronnie Martin

Anthony McErlean · March 14th, 2011, 04:11 AM

I have the EX3 and as you know it can be a bit sticky at times in slow zoom.
Whats the 320 like compared to the EX1/3.

Thanks.

Anthony McErlean · March 15th, 2011, 05:25 PM

Doesn't look as if there are that many PMW- 320 owners out there.

Anthony McErlean · March 18th, 2011, 01:11 PM

What size/diameter of a UV filter would you get for the PMW-320K.

Thanks.

Dan Crowell · March 22nd, 2011, 11:29 AM

Hey Guys,

I bought both the 350 and a 320 a few months ago. They are pretty much the same camera but with different size sensors. If not for the cost, I would have bought two 350s. I do have to say that after comparing images, it's tough to justify the extra cost for the 350. Since I do shoot occasionally for broadcast the 2/3' sensors are what they're always looking for and the bigger imagers also give you a shallower depth of field and a tab better in low light sensitivity.

When I set up my 320, I set it up with the same scene file setting as the 350 and they seemed to match up pretty well. Besides the scene files are interchangeable with the 320 & 350, that doesn't address matching it with an EX-1 or EX-3. Try this. In the EX-1 & 3 there are 4 Cine Gamma setting. In the 320 & 350 there are 4 Hyper Gamma settings. I believe the Hyper Gamma curves are going to be pretty close to the Cine Gamma curses in the EX-1 & 3. I use Hyper Gamma 2 most of the time on both the 320 & 350. Try setting the Ex-1 or 3 to Cine Gamma 2 and the 320 to Hyper Gamma 2 and see if how that looks. If they appear to be close you can then fine tune using all the other setting options. I also have the Master Black set to: -10, Black Gamma: -30, and Low Key SAT: -4. All other setting default.

Also, as for the hand held verses shoulder mount. I was torn between buying an EX-3 and an HVR-S270, Sony's full shoulder mount HDV camera, before the 350 came out. Granted it was a lot more money than I was planning to spend. But after shooting all summer with the S270 (which by the way, is a very nice camera) the thought of going back to hand held was simply not an option. If they would have come out with the 320 before the 350 I'm sure I wouldn't have hesitated for a second to buy it and probably never looked back.

Even though my understanding is the the 320, EX1 & 3 share the same image block. The 320 still produces a slightly cleaner image due to the lens, internal prepossessing, color matrix, etc. If you're looking for scene files and other advise on the 320 I believe most of what's out there for the 350 will also apply to the 320.

Anthony McErlean · March 23rd, 2011, 05:32 AM

At last :)

Thanks Dan for that.
I have the EX3, I don't have the 320 but am considering changing to one.
So, you would also say (along with Alister) that the same scene file setting used in the 350 can also be used for the 320. Thats good to know.

Can I ask,
If I wanted a UV filter for the 320 what size would it need to be?

Thank you Dan.

Dan Crowell · March 23rd, 2011, 07:05 AM

Anthony,

Glad I could help......

The 320k & 350k both have the same lens, adapted to the camera's sensor size. Other then that, they're identical. The front filter treads are 82mm. The stock lens is very nice for what it is. Some folks my never feel limited by it, but for me it's just not wide enough. I do a lot of shooting in close quarters so a wide lens is of course essential. Unfortunate the lens I'm used to using, a Fujinon ZA 12x4.5 ($26,000), I just don't have the extra change for right now. I found a very nice stop gap for that. Fujinon makes an economically priced .8 wide angle conversion lens specifically for use with that lens, WCV-X85 $1,000. They're very hard to find; I assume because they're so good that it may limit sales of other lenses. Other converters I tried were from all the usual suspects but this one was the only true fit and hands down best image quality. As for the CA I have not had any problems except when using filters. Adding another element to the lens is something the manufactures just can't compensated for. One of the greatest aspect of the 320 & 350 is the view finder. They're so good that I've been able to pick up things like that, solving the problem before continuing to shoot. I guarantee if you buy a PMW-320 or 350 you will not only be very happy you did, you'll never look back. Adding a $3k NanoFlash to the mix, puts you in the same game with the new PMW-500 and other cameras like the PDW-F800, and I prefer CMOS sensor over CCDs.

Anthony McErlean · March 23rd, 2011, 08:22 AM

Thank you Dan, that is most helpful.

I'm hoping to have a look at a 320 in the next 2/3 weeks.

So its 82mm, thanks.

Ronnie Martin · May 1st, 2011, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie Martin

I have the 320 and so far the only problem I have had is matching all three of my EX cameras. Ex-1R,Ex-3 and the 320. I have looked and looked for scene files designed for the 320 but all I can find is for the 350.

Anyone know or seen any scene files for the 320 that would help match it to PP files in the Ex-1R, ane Ex-3. I believe that the PPs for the ex-1R and the ex-3 are the same

Thanks

Ronnie

I still have not had success matching the 320 to my Ex-3 and Ex-1r. At this point I have over done the 320 and I need to reset it back to the default settings. I have looked in the menu and in the manual and cannot find a place to reset the camera to the out of the box defaults. It must be in there but just can't seem to find it. Anyone know where the reset to default button in the paint settings resides?

Sorry to be so dumb ...
Thanks

Ronnie

Anthony McErlean · May 2nd, 2011, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony McErlean

Thank you Dan, that is most helpful.

I'm hoping to have a look at a 320 in the next 2/3 weeks.

So its 82mm, thanks.

Could anyone recommend a 82mm UV filter.

I see a Hoya 82mm HMC Multicoated UV Filter for £20
or
B+W 82mm 010M MRC Nano Coated UV Haze Filter - XSDP Mount for £62

What one would be best?

Thanks in advance.

Anthony McErlean · May 31st, 2011, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony McErlean

Could anyone recommend a 82mm UV filter.

I see a Hoya 82mm HMC Multicoated UV Filter for £20
or
B+W 82mm 010M MRC Nano Coated UV Haze Filter - XSDP Mount for £62

What one would be best?

Thanks in advance.

Still looking for a B+W 82mm UV filter for the 320.

Would you recommend this one?

B + W Filter 82mm UV Filter with Multi Resistant: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics

Thanks in advance.

Gary Nattrass · May 31st, 2011, 10:13 AM

For info the BBC report and settings for the 320 can be found here: http://thebrownings.name/WHP034/pdf/...ony_PMW320.pdf

February 18th, 2011, 05:42 AM	#1
Antony Michael Wilson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 343	Any pmw 320 owners here? The 350 gets a bit of discussion on here but the 320 seems to be less popular. Are there any 320 owners here who can comment on how happy they are with the camera? I'm particularly interested in how the stock lens performs with regard to CA. Any 320 comments from those who own it or have used it in earnest welcome!

February 25th, 2011, 06:13 PM	#2
Ronnie Martin Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brandon, Ms 39042 USA Posts: 159	Re: Any pmw 320 owners here? I have the 320 and so far the only problem I have had is matching all three of my EX cameras. Ex-1R,Ex-3 and the 320. I have looked and looked for scene files designed for the 320 but all I can find is for the 350. Anyone know or seen any scene files for the 320 that would help match it to PP files in the Ex-1R, ane Ex-3. I believe that the PPs for the ex-1R and the ex-3 are the same Thanks Ronnie __________________ Ronnie Martin Kato Video

March 3rd, 2011, 01:33 PM	#3
Antony Michael Wilson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 343	Re: Any pmw 320 owners here? Hi Ronnie At last! I was beginning to think there was nobody out there with a 320. A local dealer here tells me they haven't sold a single unit... Can you comment on how happy you are with the bundled lens? Is it just the same as the EX1/EX3 optics in a bayonet housing? The EX1 and EX3 show significant CA on back-lit subjects, particularly in the corners when wide. Is this any better with the 320? I'm told there is some sort of electronic CA compensation on the 320 and 350. Does it work well in practice? Many thanks

March 3rd, 2011, 03:29 PM	#4
Ronnie Martin Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brandon, Ms 39042 USA Posts: 159	Re: Any pmw 320 owners here? Hello Anthony: The only lens I have tried is the stock lens. It is a 16x and the lens on the ex-3 is a 14x lens. I ordered a mechanical focus control for the 320 and I am waiting for it before I put it into service. My main complaint with the Ex-1R and the Ex-3 is the absence of the small tapped hole on the side of the lens that allows the more common mechanical speedometer cable type of manual focus control. The 320 is what I had hoped for before the Ex-3 came out. From the limited amount of shooting I have done with the 320 I am really satisfied. I still have not been able to match the 320 to the ex-3 and Ex-1R. Starting with the default factory settings out of the box the ex-1R and the Ex-3 match pretty good. However, the 320 with the factory settings appears a tad softer. I really screwed up on one shoot. I tried to match the PPF from Doug Jenson's Doug 1 settings from his instructional DVD for the Ex-3 and "Ex-1 and over corrected it a bit and now I have to start over. Surely someone out there in Cyberland has matched a 320 to the Ex-1R/Ex-3. If so I would like to find out what PP and scene files that they used. As far as comfort shooting hanheld, the 320 is so much more comfortable. Last year I shot with the Ex-3 over 150 hours on one 20 week project and my shoulder still hurts. I have an after market shoulder brace for the Ex-3 and it helps a great deal but is still not as comfortable as the 320. My Ex-3 set up weighs one pound less than the 320 with the same accessories and the same battery. For some reason the 320 just fits my poor old tired shoulder much better. I have not noticed any CA problems with any of the EX cameras that I have used even with the stock lens. You can pick any camera apart. Each one has pros and cons. When some one is tearing down a product I usually take it with a grain of salt and try to look into what camera brand their loyalty extends. There are many great cameras out there at this point in history and it is more likely than not that you will get great video from all of them. Take care Ronnie Martin __________________ Ronnie Martin Kato Video

March 14th, 2011, 04:11 AM	#5
Anthony McErlean Trustee Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,077	Whats the slow zoom like in the 320? I have the EX3 and as you know it can be a bit sticky at times in slow zoom. Whats the 320 like compared to the EX1/3. Thanks.

March 15th, 2011, 05:25 PM	#6
Anthony McErlean Trustee Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,077	Re: Any pmw 320 owners here? Doesn't look as if there are that many PMW- 320 owners out there.

March 18th, 2011, 01:11 PM	#7
Anthony McErlean Trustee Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,077	Re: Any pmw 320 owners here? What size/diameter of a UV filter would you get for the PMW-320K. Thanks.

March 22nd, 2011, 11:29 AM	#8
Dan Crowell Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Brick, New Jersey Posts: 47	Re: Any pmw 320 owners here? Hey Guys, I bought both the 350 and a 320 a few months ago. They are pretty much the same camera but with different size sensors. If not for the cost, I would have bought two 350s. I do have to say that after comparing images, it's tough to justify the extra cost for the 350. Since I do shoot occasionally for broadcast the 2/3' sensors are what they're always looking for and the bigger imagers also give you a shallower depth of field and a tab better in low light sensitivity. When I set up my 320, I set it up with the same scene file setting as the 350 and they seemed to match up pretty well. Besides the scene files are interchangeable with the 320 & 350, that doesn't address matching it with an EX-1 or EX-3. Try this. In the EX-1 & 3 there are 4 Cine Gamma setting. In the 320 & 350 there are 4 Hyper Gamma settings. I believe the Hyper Gamma curves are going to be pretty close to the Cine Gamma curses in the EX-1 & 3. I use Hyper Gamma 2 most of the time on both the 320 & 350. Try setting the Ex-1 or 3 to Cine Gamma 2 and the 320 to Hyper Gamma 2 and see if how that looks. If they appear to be close you can then fine tune using all the other setting options. I also have the Master Black set to: -10, Black Gamma: -30, and Low Key SAT: -4. All other setting default. Also, as for the hand held verses shoulder mount. I was torn between buying an EX-3 and an HVR-S270, Sony's full shoulder mount HDV camera, before the 350 came out. Granted it was a lot more money than I was planning to spend. But after shooting all summer with the S270 (which by the way, is a very nice camera) the thought of going back to hand held was simply not an option. If they would have come out with the 320 before the 350 I'm sure I wouldn't have hesitated for a second to buy it and probably never looked back. Even though my understanding is the the 320, EX1 & 3 share the same image block. The 320 still produces a slightly cleaner image due to the lens, internal prepossessing, color matrix, etc. If you're looking for scene files and other advise on the 320 I believe most of what's out there for the 350 will also apply to the 320.

March 23rd, 2011, 05:32 AM	#9
Anthony McErlean Trustee Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,077	Re: Any pmw 320 owners here? At last :) Thanks Dan for that. I have the EX3, I don't have the 320 but am considering changing to one. So, you would also say (along with Alister) that the same scene file setting used in the 350 can also be used for the 320. Thats good to know. Can I ask, If I wanted a UV filter for the 320 what size would it need to be? Thank you Dan.

March 23rd, 2011, 07:05 AM	#10
Dan Crowell Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Brick, New Jersey Posts: 47	Re: Any pmw 320 owners here? Anthony, Glad I could help...... The 320k & 350k both have the same lens, adapted to the camera's sensor size. Other then that, they're identical. The front filter treads are 82mm. The stock lens is very nice for what it is. Some folks my never feel limited by it, but for me it's just not wide enough. I do a lot of shooting in close quarters so a wide lens is of course essential. Unfortunate the lens I'm used to using, a Fujinon ZA 12x4.5 ($26,000), I just don't have the extra change for right now. I found a very nice stop gap for that. Fujinon makes an economically priced .8 wide angle conversion lens specifically for use with that lens, WCV-X85 $1,000. They're very hard to find; I assume because they're so good that it may limit sales of other lenses. Other converters I tried were from all the usual suspects but this one was the only true fit and hands down best image quality. As for the CA I have not had any problems except when using filters. Adding another element to the lens is something the manufactures just can't compensated for. One of the greatest aspect of the 320 & 350 is the view finder. They're so good that I've been able to pick up things like that, solving the problem before continuing to shoot. I guarantee if you buy a PMW-320 or 350 you will not only be very happy you did, you'll never look back. Adding a $3k NanoFlash to the mix, puts you in the same game with the new PMW-500 and other cameras like the PDW-F800, and I prefer CMOS sensor over CCDs.

March 23rd, 2011, 08:22 AM	#11
Anthony McErlean Trustee Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,077	Re: Any pmw 320 owners here? Thank you Dan, that is most helpful. I'm hoping to have a look at a 320 in the next 2/3 weeks. So its 82mm, thanks.

May 31st, 2011, 10:13 AM	#15
Gary Nattrass Trustee Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Cornsay Durham UK Posts: 1,992	Re: Any pmw 320 owners here? For info the BBC report and settings for the 320 can be found here: http://thebrownings.name/WHP034/pdf/...ony_PMW320.pdf __________________ Over 15 minutes in Broadcast Film and TV production: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1044352/