Cineform now supports XDCAM HD at DVinfo.net

Ray Bell · July 27th, 2007, 04:43 PM

Cineform released new builds of the Cineform Intermediate Software today...

go to Cineform.com for more info....

Bob Armstrong · July 30th, 2007, 02:15 PM

Fantastic. If anyone gets their hands on this, let us know how it works.

Thomas Smet · July 30th, 2007, 06:10 PM

What exactly is the advantage to editing XDCAM HD with Cineform? With HDV it all kind of made sense because the tape had to get captured anyway. The conversion could happen during capture so it didn't take any extra time compared to what would normally be done with a HDV tape.

One of the advantages to XDCAM HD is instant editing of the footage or quickly moving it to a hard drive to edit. It almost seems like a step backwards and a move away from one of the things that makes XDCAM HD great. It would be like bringing back capturing all over again.

There is still the fact that Cineform puts less load on your cpu but how many people shooting with XDCAM HD are using weak homebuilt systems?

I love Cineform and think it is perfect for situations when you need to capture either from tape or live but I'm not sure if I see as big of an advantage for XDCAM HD.

Bart Walczak · July 31st, 2007, 02:00 AM

The main advantage is that you can finally edit XDCAM HD on Premiere...

Tip McPartland · July 31st, 2007, 02:15 AM

Well, you can edit XDCAM HD in Premiere now using the MainConcept MPEG2 plug-in, but is it ever kludgy. It does some really strange things sometimes when you're trying to trim a clip -- like suddenly give you a completely different section of footage from way before or way later in the raw clip.

On my system, Cineform gives HD playback via a Matrox Parhelia's component output, and the picture is beautiful. MainConcept does not do this and playback is not just SD via a firewire device but UGLY with totally oversaturated colors. Also MainConcept timeline performance is horrendous.

Cineform also does something very cool: it takes my 1440 x 1080 4:2:0 and makes it 1920 x 1080 4:2:2. It does this with a very smart interpolation routine that really creates intermediate pixels. I haven't done this with XDCAM HD yet, but it works awesomely with my HVR-V1U. This comes in handy when burning Blu-rays because the Roxio software I use doesn't always seem to get the overall aspect ratio right when fed 1440.

I know it will take some serious time to convert the files, already found that out with the V1, but I think it will be worth it.

Tip

Gerson Becker · July 31st, 2007, 10:35 AM

I donwloaded Aspect and Prospect, tried in three diferent XP SP2, and can´t put to work.
Seems they forget to upgrade from 5.0.3 to 5.0.4.
Anyone have sucess?

Thomas Smet · July 31st, 2007, 11:51 AM

I never realized Premiere didn't support XDCAM HD. Huh. Well then I guess it is usefull for Premiere users.

Bart Walczak · August 1st, 2007, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tip McPartland

Well, you can edit XDCAM HD in Premiere now using the MainConcept MPEG2 plug-in, but is it ever kludgy.

Yes, unless you have Blackmagic Multibridge as your output and ingest card, when it basically doesn't work at all (tried and tested). Besides, the plug-in is the same price as Aspect HD.

July 27th, 2007, 04:43 PM	#1
Ray Bell Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,414	Cineform now supports XDCAM HD Cineform released new builds of the Cineform Intermediate Software today... go to Cineform.com for more info....

July 31st, 2007, 02:15 AM	#5
Tip McPartland Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Crestline, California Posts: 351	Cineform's other advantages Well, you can edit XDCAM HD in Premiere now using the MainConcept MPEG2 plug-in, but is it ever kludgy. It does some really strange things sometimes when you're trying to trim a clip -- like suddenly give you a completely different section of footage from way before or way later in the raw clip. On my system, Cineform gives HD playback via a Matrox Parhelia's component output, and the picture is beautiful. MainConcept does not do this and playback is not just SD via a firewire device but UGLY with totally oversaturated colors. Also MainConcept timeline performance is horrendous. Cineform also does something very cool: it takes my 1440 x 1080 4:2:0 and makes it 1920 x 1080 4:2:2. It does this with a very smart interpolation routine that really creates intermediate pixels. I haven't done this with XDCAM HD yet, but it works awesomely with my HVR-V1U. This comes in handy when burning Blu-rays because the Roxio software I use doesn't always seem to get the overall aspect ratio right when fed 1440. I know it will take some serious time to convert the files, already found that out with the V1, but I think it will be worth it. Tip

July 31st, 2007, 10:35 AM	#6
Gerson Becker Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Porto Alegre - Brasil Posts: 63	Not Working I donwloaded Aspect and Prospect, tried in three diferent XP SP2, and can´t put to work. Seems they forget to upgrade from 5.0.3 to 5.0.4. Anyone have sucess? __________________ Gérson Becker - Lumiere Produções - Brasil www.lumiere.com.br/cinemadigital

July 30th, 2007, 02:15 PM	#2
Bob Armstrong New Boot Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: East Lansing, MI Posts: 21	Fantastic. If anyone gets their hands on this, let us know how it works.

July 30th, 2007, 06:10 PM	#3
Thomas Smet Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,719	What exactly is the advantage to editing XDCAM HD with Cineform? With HDV it all kind of made sense because the tape had to get captured anyway. The conversion could happen during capture so it didn't take any extra time compared to what would normally be done with a HDV tape. One of the advantages to XDCAM HD is instant editing of the footage or quickly moving it to a hard drive to edit. It almost seems like a step backwards and a move away from one of the things that makes XDCAM HD great. It would be like bringing back capturing all over again. There is still the fact that Cineform puts less load on your cpu but how many people shooting with XDCAM HD are using weak homebuilt systems? I love Cineform and think it is perfect for situations when you need to capture either from tape or live but I'm not sure if I see as big of an advantage for XDCAM HD.

July 31st, 2007, 02:00 AM	#4
Bart Walczak Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Warsaw/Poland Posts: 716	The main advantage is that you can finally edit XDCAM HD on Premiere...

July 31st, 2007, 11:51 AM	#7
Thomas Smet Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,719	I never realized Premiere didn't support XDCAM HD. Huh. Well then I guess it is usefull for Premiere users.