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Josh Muehlendorf · February 18th, 2007, 08:32 AM

So I have the HVR-A1U. I read the thread about the "cineframe 24" being a gimmick and I'm wondering if the "Cineframe 30" is also a gimmick. Should I shoot 60i and get the film effect from FCE or should I shoot in 24? Any input?

Jack Major · February 18th, 2007, 10:27 PM

cineframe 24 is TERRIBLE really you dont want to use it, however i really dont mind cineframe 30 its look pretty much just like 30p but i would prefer to you 60i and convert later. btw i have the a1u.

Jaser Stockert · February 25th, 2007, 02:54 PM

jack,

how is 30f for slow pans compared to 60i? also, how is lowlight capability if shooting in interior of home during the day w/ homeowners yungsten/flourescent lighting? thanks.

Graham Hickling · February 25th, 2007, 06:21 PM

Setting Cineform to extact 3:2 pull down during capture, CF24 look OKish. It does lose about 40% resolution however.

(If you don't extact the pulldown it looks awful).

Jaser Stockert · February 25th, 2007, 06:26 PM

how about 30f? i'm not interested in 24f. thanks.

Graham Hickling · February 25th, 2007, 06:28 PM

The same resolution drop - 35-40%. Apart from that it's fine.

Tony Macasaet · February 27th, 2007, 10:01 AM

I've been shooting with no in-camera effects, color to lowest setting. Shooting at 1080i60.

As noted above, the cineframe effect in particular add unacceptable amounts of noise and resolution loss and should be avoided.

To achieve a nice filmic effect, I convert to final timeline to 30fps de-interlaced/progressive with the Nattress G-Film plug-in in FCP 5.1.

The result is low chroma noise, 30p... a filmic cadence and image quality which I think looks spectacular - very close to film overall.

February 18th, 2007, 08:32 AM	#1
Josh Muehlendorf New Boot Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5	60i/30p/24p? So I have the HVR-A1U. I read the thread about the "cineframe 24" being a gimmick and I'm wondering if the "Cineframe 30" is also a gimmick. Should I shoot 60i and get the film effect from FCE or should I shoot in 24? Any input?

February 27th, 2007, 10:01 AM	#7
Tony Macasaet Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Viroqua, WI Posts: 49	I've been shooting with no in-camera effects, color to lowest setting. Shooting at 1080i60. As noted above, the cineframe effect in particular add unacceptable amounts of noise and resolution loss and should be avoided. To achieve a nice filmic effect, I convert to final timeline to 30fps de-interlaced/progressive with the Nattress G-Film plug-in in FCP 5.1. The result is low chroma noise, 30p... a filmic cadence and image quality which I think looks spectacular - very close to film overall. __________________ ~Dr. Tony Macasaet http://www.macastat.com

February 18th, 2007, 10:27 PM	#2
Jack Major Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Laguna Beach, California Posts: 61	cineframe 24 is TERRIBLE really you dont want to use it, however i really dont mind cineframe 30 its look pretty much just like 30p but i would prefer to you 60i and convert later. btw i have the a1u.

February 25th, 2007, 02:54 PM	#3
Jaser Stockert Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California Posts: 147	jack, how is 30f for slow pans compared to 60i? also, how is lowlight capability if shooting in interior of home during the day w/ homeowners yungsten/flourescent lighting? thanks.

February 25th, 2007, 06:21 PM	#4
Graham Hickling Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 1,669	Setting Cineform to extact 3:2 pull down during capture, CF24 look OKish. It does lose about 40% resolution however. (If you don't extact the pulldown it looks awful).

February 25th, 2007, 06:26 PM	#5
Jaser Stockert Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California Posts: 147	how about 30f? i'm not interested in 24f. thanks.

February 25th, 2007, 06:28 PM	#6
Graham Hickling Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 1,669	The same resolution drop - 35-40%. Apart from that it's fine.