Glass house

Noa Put · February 6th, 2013, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Moran

Primes do lighten the load however.

That's one of the main reason why one should be using this camera. Eventhough the stock lens is great, you can visually get so much more out of prime lenses.
If you are into creative work being able to slap on a macro, or a super wide, a super tele and go crazy with shallow dof should a particular shot benefit from it you are entering a whole new world what can't be achieved with small sensor and fixed lens camera's.

But with talent and a simple camera like a Sony vg10 and the 18-200 stock lens you can do amazing things as well, below a video I found with the best images I have seen so far to come out of that small Sony:

Peter Rush · February 6th, 2013, 07:59 AM

Awesome work! what tripod adapter do you have for those upwards rotating shots of the ceiling?

Really nice :)

Noa Put · February 6th, 2013, 09:04 AM

See image, it has my xh-a1 attached to it but just to give you an idea, you can be very creative with a slider if you want :)

Peter Rush · February 6th, 2013, 11:12 AM

Very nice - the shot looks like the camera is rotating on it's axis but it is actually offset - works well!

Allan Black · February 7th, 2013, 06:54 PM

Hi Noa, the one aspect of that Nikkor vid I think worth noting, is the way they've cut to the music. Notice the glockenspiel or bell sound.
Fits as a 'glass' sound.

I remember something similar, I found the perfect music track and after editing the vid, in the studio I tracked various bells at certain edit points,
building up to the product reveal.

eg: to emphasis the heat they work with, cut on the beat to extreme close-ups of the hot molten glass.
Add a cymbal crash to the track right there, the counterpoint could be, slow dissolves to the lovely finished colored glass pieces.

Some people would never notice it, but other discerning people will, and they're always the ones you play to.
A bonus is the satisfaction rating ... 10/10 :)

Philip Bloom also a great sense of rhythm and music and does that very well.

Cheers.

Noa Put · February 8th, 2013, 03:32 AM

I have made contact with a glassblower and will meet him this monday to see what the possibilities are to do a small docu, I also contacted a user on this forum that has the same camera as I do so we could do a 2 camera shoot, maybe for an interview or so. But I was actually thinking of using only natural sound this time so will be spending a lot of time on recording sound. It's the first time I do something like this so I have no idea how it will turn out, to be continued...:)

Allan Black · February 9th, 2013, 03:32 AM

Whacko! (as we say in Australia mate) What a way to go! (as they say in Belgium?)

Assuming you're shooting new footage at your Glass House and you know its layout, talk to the blowers first about what they want to see,
then write a basic shooting script. Start with the history of Belgium Glass? Include some museum stills?

Work out how long your show is going to be, absolute max 20 mins. After 20 you'd better be telling the audience they just won Lotto because after that they'll literally fall asleep :)

Follow this by doing a storyboard, doesn't matter if you can't draw, just roughly sketch it. You'd be surprised how this will all start to fall together.

And I'd use music, 100% sound (location sound) won't hold the audience for the show and sound is 50-70% of what you see.
Use the interview, but break it up with him demonstrating blowing the glass, with the dramatic representations of the HEAT involved, see ^

When you're shooting the finished glass pieces, capture what's called the beauty shots. This might seem difficult, but take some lights
and totally separate from the interview, creatively light and shoot the pieces. Practice on glass items around the house first then shoot the he*l out it :)

Use some Danish classical music? as interludes, just for the beauty shots, about 15-30 seconds per segment.

As this is your first show, I'd go solo, shooting cutaways for the interview will cover it. Good luck.

Cheers.

Noa Put · February 9th, 2013, 03:38 AM

Whacko is a term we also use but it's usually for a person that's not right in the head :D

Actually I was very inspired by below video and was thinking to use the same style, not to rip off, but as an exercise on editing and sound techniques. It's very short so might not apply as a real docu but I"d like to keep it short for starters.

James Manford · February 9th, 2013, 05:38 AM

Awesome mini documentary ... love the style.

Radomir Charapich · February 9th, 2013, 09:36 AM

Amazing work Noa, beautiful piece of art!

Radomir Charapich · February 9th, 2013, 09:56 AM

Question: What adapter you used forCanon lenses?

Noa Put · February 9th, 2013, 02:58 PM

You do know only glass house is from me, not sound of dust? That's a level of quality I like to achieve ever :)

About the adapter I use, it's a simple kipon adapter, since most lenses I use are full manual and don't communicate with the body I don't need something like a metabones adapter.

James Manford · February 9th, 2013, 04:35 PM

I knew that Noa! :D

Noa Put · February 14th, 2013, 04:21 AM

OK, next 2 shorts are in the pipeline :) I already met a glassblower to do a short doc and he agreed to make some time available but that probably will be taking a longer time to finish. That's why in the meantime I made contact with the tourism department in the city of Peer where the highest church (build in the 14th century) in that area is located which is 65m high, they call the church "the giant of the Kempen", there's is also a museum, lots of stuff in there dating back to the 16th century, like paintings.
Let's cross fingers I"m allowed to film, I send them my glass house film link which might persuade them a bit :)

Allan Black · February 14th, 2013, 02:33 PM

Noa, I've produced 35 docos of air museums around the world. Here's my 2 krona :)

With your glassblower doco, try and shoot the beauty shots of his or their finished glass first, before the interview and before you cut the glass shots.

That way the GB could preview your footage and make comment on them, then do the interview. There could be some time between the two.

Sorry but glassblowing is a pretty dry subect, try and include a pretty female, to maybe do the interview hold some of the pieces.
Ask around the local TV/radio outlets. New gals want the experience. In the interview, inject some fun to keep the GB smiling.

See if the Peer crowd and their museum already sell DVDs. They usually keep any competition out, and you might not get in.
Do they have an online shop?

But if they don't, you might be able to do a contra deal, whereby they stock and sell your DVD and you keep commmission.

Be prepared, if they date back to the 16th century, then they've had practice in bargaining and you'll get some Peer-pressure :)
You won't get mega-rich but you'll have a lot of fun and get heaps of experience.

The minimum duration for a saleable DVD like this is about 30 minutes.

Cheers.

February 6th, 2013, 07:59 AM	#17
Peter Rush Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: UK/Yorkshire Posts: 2,069	Re: Glass house Awesome work! what tripod adapter do you have for those upwards rotating shots of the ceiling? Really nice :)

February 6th, 2013, 09:04 AM	#18
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,509	Re: Glass house See image, it has my xh-a1 attached to it but just to give you an idea, you can be very creative with a slider if you want :) Attached Thumbnails

February 6th, 2013, 11:12 AM	#19
Peter Rush Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: UK/Yorkshire Posts: 2,069	Re: Glass house Very nice - the shot looks like the camera is rotating on it's axis but it is actually offset - works well!

February 7th, 2013, 06:54 PM	#20
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 2,887	Re: Glass house Hi Noa, the one aspect of that Nikkor vid I think worth noting, is the way they've cut to the music. Notice the glockenspiel or bell sound. Fits as a 'glass' sound. I remember something similar, I found the perfect music track and after editing the vid, in the studio I tracked various bells at certain edit points, building up to the product reveal. eg: to emphasis the heat they work with, cut on the beat to extreme close-ups of the hot molten glass. Add a cymbal crash to the track right there, the counterpoint could be, slow dissolves to the lovely finished colored glass pieces. Some people would never notice it, but other discerning people will, and they're always the ones you play to. A bonus is the satisfaction rating ... 10/10 :) Philip Bloom also a great sense of rhythm and music and does that very well. Cheers. __________________ Drink more tap water. On admission at Sydney hospitals more than 5% of day patients are de-hydrated.

February 8th, 2013, 03:32 AM	#21
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,509	Re: Glass house I have made contact with a glassblower and will meet him this monday to see what the possibilities are to do a small docu, I also contacted a user on this forum that has the same camera as I do so we could do a 2 camera shoot, maybe for an interview or so. But I was actually thinking of using only natural sound this time so will be spending a lot of time on recording sound. It's the first time I do something like this so I have no idea how it will turn out, to be continued...:)

February 9th, 2013, 03:32 AM	#22
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 2,887	Re: Glass house Whacko! (as we say in Australia mate) What a way to go! (as they say in Belgium?) Assuming you're shooting new footage at your Glass House and you know its layout, talk to the blowers first about what they want to see, then write a basic shooting script. Start with the history of Belgium Glass? Include some museum stills? Work out how long your show is going to be, absolute max 20 mins. After 20 you'd better be telling the audience they just won Lotto because after that they'll literally fall asleep :) Follow this by doing a storyboard, doesn't matter if you can't draw, just roughly sketch it. You'd be surprised how this will all start to fall together. And I'd use music, 100% sound (location sound) won't hold the audience for the show and sound is 50-70% of what you see. Use the interview, but break it up with him demonstrating blowing the glass, with the dramatic representations of the HEAT involved, see ^ When you're shooting the finished glass pieces, capture what's called the beauty shots. This might seem difficult, but take some lights and totally separate from the interview, creatively light and shoot the pieces. Practice on glass items around the house first then shoot the he*l out it :) Use some Danish classical music? as interludes, just for the beauty shots, about 15-30 seconds per segment. As this is your first show, I'd go solo, shooting cutaways for the interview will cover it. Good luck. Cheers. __________________ Drink more tap water. On admission at Sydney hospitals more than 5% of day patients are de-hydrated.

February 9th, 2013, 03:38 AM	#23
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,509	Re: Glass house Whacko is a term we also use but it's usually for a person that's not right in the head :D Actually I was very inspired by below video and was thinking to use the same style, not to rip off, but as an exercise on editing and sound techniques. It's very short so might not apply as a real docu but I"d like to keep it short for starters. The Sound of Dust on Vimeo

February 9th, 2013, 05:38 AM	#24
James Manford Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,393	Re: Glass house Awesome mini documentary ... love the style.

February 9th, 2013, 09:36 AM	#25
Radomir Charapich New Boot Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Pittsburgh - Toronto Posts: 22	Re: Glass house Amazing work Noa, beautiful piece of art!

February 9th, 2013, 09:56 AM	#26
Radomir Charapich New Boot Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Pittsburgh - Toronto Posts: 22	Re: Glass house Question: What adapter you used forCanon lenses?

February 9th, 2013, 02:58 PM	#27
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,509	Re: Glass house You do know only glass house is from me, not sound of dust? That's a level of quality I like to achieve ever :) About the adapter I use, it's a simple kipon adapter, since most lenses I use are full manual and don't communicate with the body I don't need something like a metabones adapter.

February 9th, 2013, 04:35 PM	#28
James Manford Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,393	Re: Glass house I knew that Noa! :D

February 14th, 2013, 04:21 AM	#29
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,509	Re: Glass house OK, next 2 shorts are in the pipeline :) I already met a glassblower to do a short doc and he agreed to make some time available but that probably will be taking a longer time to finish. That's why in the meantime I made contact with the tourism department in the city of Peer where the highest church (build in the 14th century) in that area is located which is 65m high, they call the church "the giant of the Kempen", there's is also a museum, lots of stuff in there dating back to the 16th century, like paintings. Let's cross fingers I"m allowed to film, I send them my glass house film link which might persuade them a bit :)

February 14th, 2013, 02:33 PM	#30
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 2,887	Re: Glass house Noa, I've produced 35 docos of air museums around the world. Here's my 2 krona :) With your glassblower doco, try and shoot the beauty shots of his or their finished glass first, before the interview and before you cut the glass shots. That way the GB could preview your footage and make comment on them, then do the interview. There could be some time between the two. Sorry but glassblowing is a pretty dry subect, try and include a pretty female, to maybe do the interview hold some of the pieces. Ask around the local TV/radio outlets. New gals want the experience. In the interview, inject some fun to keep the GB smiling. See if the Peer crowd and their museum already sell DVDs. They usually keep any competition out, and you might not get in. Do they have an online shop? But if they don't, you might be able to do a contra deal, whereby they stock and sell your DVD and you keep commmission. Be prepared, if they date back to the 16th century, then they've had practice in bargaining and you'll get some Peer-pressure :) You won't get mega-rich but you'll have a lot of fun and get heaps of experience. The minimum duration for a saleable DVD like this is about 30 minutes. Cheers. __________________ Drink more tap water. On admission at Sydney hospitals more than 5% of day patients are de-hydrated.