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Steve thanks for the feedback.

I shot a wedding last Saturday where the ceremony was in a church but reception in a barn with bonfire starting at dusk. All in all the camera performed well. My biggest problem was proper focus sometimes as I had to use the adopter most of the time because I wasn't able to focus well enough with my bread I Nguyen glasses and the lcd screen. As the screen is too close while shoulder mounted and I had to move my neck backwards to see clearly. Not c o comfortable in the least. Going to get eye exam on Wednesday so going to ask for prescription that will let me focus closer when shooting.

The flicker comment was in regards to running EV while running auto gain. The EV worked great most of the time, however when I was filming during dusk with me Sigma 18-35 f1.8 (alpha mount) and Sony LE-EA4 adapter the gain was bouncing back and forth from 18-21db. So my image was flickering. I simply switched to a gain preset and all was good.

BTW I knew what I would get but tried some low light shots during the bonfire at 24db. Definitely too much noise, especially with a dark blue sky as it wasn't pitch black yet.

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Hi Michael

Are you using the viewing tube on the LCD to focus? If you do you need to do two important things ! Firstly the viewing tube is too long so the pad never sits on your shoulder but a bit in front. The centre bit of tube needs to be removed to make the tube the correct length ... secondly I can shoot and focus without any reading aids cos I have added a lens to the tube! Just grab a 52mm diameter closeup lens set and screw the +2 dioptre one on the top of the tube ..the thread is already there ..makes a huge difference!!

Chris

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Chris I just recieved a 52mm close-up lens yesterday and the 2+ will work great.
I have 2 problems...
I was able to use the tube and focus well enough, the close-up lens will help much more, but I don't want to use it all the time. And if I was to use it all of the time I experience some fogging of the tube lens.

So if I didn't want to use the tube all of the time then I would use the lcd. The issue I have with using the lcd screen though is that I am farsighted and have reading glasses. I still can't see clearly enough with them as the distance is still too close for me with the reading glasses and lcd. If I pull my head back a bit further I can see clearly. But can't shoot that way. This I s why I asked in another thread about if there was a magnifier on the k CD screen.

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Thanks Michael

So the CU lens causes the fogging??? I didn't know that !! I have had some fogging now and again especially in the evening and yes, I leave the 52mm lens in place as it gives me better dioptre range with the shortened loupe. I must admit I almost always use the tube as it helps for critical focus ... Did anyone try the credit card sized Fresnel lenses that fit over the LCD ?? I guess the only other option would be a flexible arm under the camera and an HD 7" LCD monitor that you can adjust to suit.

If I use an external can I get OSD on it as well?? I never tried a monitor and don't see any screen display options in the menus?? I would have thought the HDMI port sent out pure video only or can you add the on screen data too .. even stuff like zebras and peaking??

Chris

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Chris the CU didn't cause the fogging as I didn't have my CU yet for last weekend's shoot. The fogging happened a few times with just the tube. Going to eye doctors today for check up anyway so going to ask him about options. I tried the Fresnel lens but that didn't work as the image was slightly distorted.

In regards to an hour external lcd I have ones that have peaking and zebras. I don't think that the camera transmits any data via the hdmi, at least not that I see.

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Originally Posted by Steven Digges View Post
Michael,

Here are the steps to change the default setting on your adapter from green mode to advanced mode. Green mode has nothing to do with our camera. It is a battery saving mode for Sony Alpha cameras. If you do not do this you will have to hold in an awkward button every time you change lenses or start up:

1. Turn the camera on without any lens or adapter attached.
2. With a lens attached to the adapter attach the adapter/lens-assembly to the EA50 E-mount while holding the wide open button on the adapter.
3. Keep pressing the wide open button and let the camera boot properly.
4. While you still are pressing the wide open button turn the camera off.

Fixed, advanced mode is now the default.

Steve


why should this be done? i have the 50eh model i use adapter nex to ef canon for various lenses asks will have to do it and why?
what will change?

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Sergio,

You need to be in advanced mode for all of the adapters features to work properly. On your LCD screen you will see focus distance and zoom indicators when in advanced mode. If there not showing your in green mode which is primarily for alpha still cameras.

Steve

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Chris & Michael,

I have two 7" external monitors I use a lot. To turn data display on/off go to menu/display/display ouput/ and select LCD or all output.

Steve

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Steve you can post an example on image to see what changes?

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Sergio,

I am not sure what your asking for? Put your stock lens on the camera. In the top left and bottom left of your LCD screen you will see indicators appear when you zoom or focus your lens. Then put your Metabones adapter on. If you do not see the zoom range or focus distance indicators anymore than the adaptor is in “green mode”. It needs to be in advanced mode to fully function on your EA50. Everything is explained on the Metabones website here: Metabones®

I hope this helps.

Steve

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Hi Steve,

It's been a while and I figure you've been using the EA50U and EA50M together quite a bit now.
Any further remarks about how happy you are intercutting the cameras?

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Hey David,

The EA50M is a mixed blessing. With everything being the same except the sensor it is NOT a matched pair. The images are very different in several ways. So what I got is one stop of improvement in low light and a nicer, cleaner, image. It just flat out looks better. I am not convinced there is a big improvement in moire and aliasing but there might be a little improvement. If I could send my EA50U in for the new sensor I would. I have ALWAYS owned a matched set of cameras. At least two and sometimes three of the same. This mismatch is frustrating for me.

The new "G" lens is a dream. It is superior to the 18-200 PZ in every way. The zoom speed is back up where it should be. It handles well and feels good. I do most shooting in manual so a constant aperture is important. It is so sharp it matches my Canon "L" glass better than the 18-200 PZ. I don't consider the 18-200 PZ to be a bad lens. I take it for what it is, a kit lens. But now I know I can not use it with all of my other really good glass because you CAN see the difference in sharpness when cut together. The "G" lens stands up to the Canons. If I want to run in full auto on both cameras I use the 18-200 PZ on both cameras for the best overall match. Or I can use two Canons and the "G" Sony matches Canons OK.

I still like my EA50s and they have a lot of life in them. But a EA50u and an EA50M are NOT a matched pair of cameras. If you were really good with profiles I suppose they are close enough to be dialed in. My color vision is not perfect so I have to leave fine adjustments like that up to other people. I need to dig into them but have not done that yet. So far I add a very little saturation in post and it comes around.

Kind Regards,

Steve

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Hi Steven,
Thank you for taking the time again to explain all that. It is likely that you have provided the best information on the internet regarding the U vs M. I do appreciate it and that helps myself and others a lot.
I hope you have a great week.

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Steven,

I'm thinking for upgrading to the M version. You say sharper image and a bit better in low light.
I have never seen your samples between the 2 because your videos doens't exist anymore.

Is it possible to make a new one or re-upload them? That would be great!
Just a sample in daylight and lower light if possible.

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Tom,

I not only took the videos down I got rid of them. Every once in a while I do big data sweep on my hard drives and online accounts for housekeeping and data management.

The EA50M is an improved version of the original but it is subtle. If you are going to keep the one you have and add a second that is a great way to go. I love my cameras. But I would not invest a lot of money if you are thinking of it as an upgrade, you might be disappointed at the subtle changes.

The new lens is far superior to the old kit lens. The US price for the lens is $599.00 that is half of the upgrade. The other benefit is about a one stop difference in sensor sensitivity, thats it.

I also have a VG30 with the same guts as the EA50s. I fly it or use it for small and light work so I have a three camera kit I am very pleased with.

Are you upgrading or adding?

Steve

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thx Steven for the reply. I want to upgrade. I already have the sony HXR-NX3 for fiming events/stage shows when I need lots of zoom. A little panasonic HX-X920 as second camera for that and for fiming on vacation.

The EA50 I used more for cinematic shots or run and gun. I have a steadicam with arm and vest now so a shouldercam isn't maybe not more so important. I was thinking about a second hand FS100 or a new Ea50M. Or stay with EA50EH I have and wait for something new.

I'm a bit confused what to do.

Bu you say I will be dissapointed if I upgrade to the M version? sharper image is nice and 1 stop difference in low light. Would like to see some footage between these 2 if possible?

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As a former EA50 owner and current FS700 / A7S owner, I'm pretty sure that Steven is right when he says you'd be disappointed if you buy the M version hoping for it to be an upgrade to your current EA50.
Spend your money on something else instead!

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thx guys. you are right. I'm going to keep thr nex-ea50H. It's still a good camcorder. Even the slow stock lens is good in lower light (just tested it to make the right decission)

I will wait when something news comes with shouldermount.