DV Info Net

DV Info Net (https://www.dvinfo.net/forum/)
-   Sony NEX-VG10 / VG20 / VG30 / VG900 (https://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-nex-vg10-vg20-vg30-vg900/)
-   -   Sony VG900 - first image (https://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-nex-vg10-vg20-vg30-vg900/510646-sony-vg900-first-image.html)

Glen Vandermolen September 11th, 2012 01:26 PM

Sony VG900 - first image
 
1 Attachment(s)
..and it's a doozie! Check out that big sensor!

Kris Zimbelman September 11th, 2012 09:45 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image>>Official Sony
 
Sony Full Frame Interchangeable Lens Camcorder | NEX-VG900 | Sony USA

Kris Zimbelman September 11th, 2012 09:57 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
1 Attachment(s)
http://store.sony.com/wcsstore/SonyS...VG900_mod1.jpg

Glen Vandermolen September 11th, 2012 10:00 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Love it!
Question - doesn't the FS100/700 already have a Super 35mm sensor?

Kris Zimbelman September 11th, 2012 10:02 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
I thought this was $3,300 - $3,800

Kris Zimbelman September 11th, 2012 10:19 PM

Hands on with both
 
Sony announces NEX-VG30 and full-frame NEX-VG900 Handycams, we go hands-on -- Engadget

Anthony Mozora September 11th, 2012 10:59 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 

NEX-VG900 from Sony: Official Video Release

Matt Sharp September 12th, 2012 12:20 AM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Glen Vandermolen (Post 1752904)
Question - doesn't the FS100/700 already have a Super 35mm sensor?

They have Super 35 sensors, not the same as 35mm.

Sony's Super 35 is 23.6 x 13.3 mm
Sony's FF '35mm' is 35.8 x 23.9mm

Super 35 cameras originally used the same 35mm film, only run vertically instead of sideways as with still cameras.

Ronan Fournier September 12th, 2012 12:38 AM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
No ND filters… Is it so complicate to integrate?

Chris Barcellos September 12th, 2012 12:56 AM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Don't get to excited bofys. From specs I have seen on the Sony page this camera, like the Vg 20. does not ha ve adjustable scene profiles. I hope I am wrong and they forgot to mention it, but you just can,t tell from Sony specs because they mirepresented what the Vg 20 had on board last year. Sony, tell me you rare goingto give us basic contrast, sharpness and saturation adjustment capabilities.

Werner Graf September 12th, 2012 04:44 AM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Playmobile Color effects for professional Video great idea....

Lee Mullen September 12th, 2012 06:51 AM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
XLR unit looks interesting. What lenses can work with powered zoom?

Chris Joy September 12th, 2012 07:13 AM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Though this is interesting form factor aside - I think the A99 is the better option because you get steadyshot with A-mount lenses that are far superior to anything available in E-mount. I'm sure you can modify picture profiles on the A99 as well.

Kris Zimbelman September 12th, 2012 07:58 AM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Using an E-mount lens with the NEX-VG900 will also force the camcorder to use a cropped portion of the full-frame sensor. But Sony does throw in a free A-mount lens converter so you can get full sensor coverage with an attached A-mount lens.

Jim Michael September 12th, 2012 08:24 AM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
One advantage of the e-mount is the ease of mounting legacy 35mm glass. You should get full sensor coverage using something like a Nikkor 24mm.

John Vincent September 12th, 2012 08:34 AM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jalan Salur (Post 1752973)
XLR unit looks interesting. What lenses can work with powered zoom?

Only one at this point - the adapted 18-200 kit lens.

The A99 will have full manual control. The VG 900 looks to be a VG20 with a FF sensor and rocker arm, meaning Chris is right - probably no control over sharpening, gamma, or contrast.

Interesting, but I think having the VG20/FS100 as a mainline A camera means an easier workflow. Having the A99 as a B cam for beauty CUs/tight spaces certainly is appealing, esp as now I can use all my NEX glass.

The NEX mount is def an advantage over other cameras. Sony sure is squeezing every ounce of life it can out of 8 bit/1080 technology... before everything switches over to 10 bit/2 K next year at NAB.

Chris Joy September 12th, 2012 09:07 AM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
The A99 has all the picture controls, from its spec sheet:

Creative Style : Standard, Vivid, Neutral, Clear, Deep, Light, Portrait, Landscape, Sunset, Night Scene, Autumn leaves, Black & White, Sepia (Contrast (-3 to +3 steps), Saturation (-3 to +3 steps), Sharpness (-3 to +3 steps))

The only thing listed on the VG30/900 specs along with cinematone:

Digital Picture Effects/Picture Effects : Movie and Still:Posterization,Pop color,Retro Photo, Partial Color, High constrast Monochrome, Toy Camera; Still Only:Soft Focus,Miniature

Still seems like Sony is dumbing down features since its not a "pro" camcorder, despite its price tag. Disappointing.

I'm seriously thinking about placing an order for the A99 to compliment or even replace my FS100 as Leica R and Zeiss C/Y lenses adapt to the A-mount fine. Hopefully someone will put the new VG's through the paces so we can get the skinny soon.

Ron Little September 12th, 2012 09:54 AM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Why do they not have 30p?

Halfdan J. Damskier September 12th, 2012 01:34 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Here is a field test of the A99 with 3 minutes on the VG900 at the end.

Worth a view :-)

Lee Mullen September 13th, 2012 03:20 AM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris Zimbelman (Post 1752985)
Using an E-mount lens with the NEX-VG900 will also force the camcorder to use a cropped portion of the full-frame sensor. But Sony does throw in a free A-mount lens converter so you can get full sensor coverage with an attached A-mount lens.

And what is the base price for A mount lenses that are useful?

Zach Love September 13th, 2012 12:27 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Joy (Post 1753000)
Still seems like Sony is dumbing down features since its not a "pro" camcorder, despite its price tag. Disappointing.

This is my gut reaction too. I feel like I want to like this camera, but it is too much handycam & would be a much more appealing camera if it was closer to a HVR-Z1U (HDR-FX1) as opposed to a HVR-A1U. But I guess that is what the FS100 is supposed to be.

Steve Nunez September 13th, 2012 02:10 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
I'm feeling impatient as I want one NOW!!!
FF with older Minolta legacy glass- count me in!!!!!

Was all set to buy the GH3 but FF is where it's at.

Joe Ogiba September 13th, 2012 04:11 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Joy (Post 1752979)
Though this is interesting form factor aside - I think the A99 is the better option because you get steadyshot with A-mount lenses that are far superior to anything available in E-mount. I'm sure you can modify picture profiles on the A99 as well.

The A99 is a showstopper for me since I want to use my myriad of FF Pentax K-mount lenses. The VG900 will work with low cost E-mount to Pentax, Nikon, Leica etc lens mount adapters.

Bill Koehler September 13th, 2012 07:22 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Little (Post 1753007)
Why do they not have 30p?

I am very curious about their 60i possibly being 30PsF.

Chris Joy September 14th, 2012 03:29 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Ogiba (Post 1753273)
The A99 is a showstopper for me since I want to use my myriad of FF Pentax K-mount lenses. The VG900 will work with low cost E-mount to Pentax, Nikon, Leica etc lens mount adapters.

E-mount is among the most versatile as far as adapted lenses go, pretty much everything can be adapted.

Leitax sells adapters for Nikkor, ZF, C/Y and Leica R to the A mount - and they enable SteadyShot. I'm in the C/Y and Leica R camp so that suits me fine. I'm personally going for SS and control over the image - pending full tests.

Bill Koehler September 16th, 2012 12:25 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Joy (Post 1753468)
... I'm personally going for SS and control over the image - pending full tests.

Pardon my ignorance Chris, but my personal decoder couldn't figure out the meaning of 'SS'.
Would you elaborate please?

Chris Barcellos September 16th, 2012 12:52 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
He was referring to Steady Shot, I think.

Steve Nunez September 20th, 2012 08:49 AM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Is anyone planning on buying this on the 27th when it's available?

Glen Vandermolen September 20th, 2012 12:18 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Nunez (Post 1754422)
Is anyone planning on buying this on the 27th when it's available?

I would sure like to rent one first.

Chris Barcellos September 20th, 2012 01:26 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
No reason for it, in my mind. If I want full frame shallow depth of field, I have the Canon 5D. While it has less resolution, for closeup shots (which is mostly what full frame should be used for) resolution is sufficient for most needs. Certainly, at the quoted pricing, the FS100 for a few hundred more is a much better buy, albeit it has only APC/super 35mm frame size. We all need to remember that in terms of film look, full frame is way beyond the shallowness of depth of field that 35mm cinemas cameras provided. APC/super35mm cameras are much closer to that. So the shallowness provided by a FF camera is more of an extreme than a standard.

On the other side, full frame does help with the low light shooter, both in terms of a larger chip size and the usability of faster normal lenses like 50mm F 1.4, which are common.

Cliff Totten September 20th, 2012 05:20 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
I have seen raw files from the A99 shooting video and I have seen "produced" video from that VG900. Heavy amounts of moire and interpolation exist in both.

I guess we will need to see this thing on some resolution charts to measure how bad it really is. I certainly already have a bad feeling about it. (I hope I'm wrong)

I mean, think about it, the thing takes a video image made of 24 million pixels and then throws away 22 million? That's ALLOT of image "gaps" to fill in somehow. Not counting de-Bayer, the thing only keeps 1 out of every 12 pixels? On detailed patterns, you will have pixels hitting and missing everywhere. lol,...allot more "missing" than "hitting" according to the math.

I dunno :-(

Chris Joy September 21st, 2012 06:08 AM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos (Post 1753718)
He was referring to Steady Shot, I think.

Yes steadyshot. I'd like to rent a VG900 too since it seem like its going to be available much sooner than the A99 - which I have pre-ordered ... for now.

Joe Ogiba September 21st, 2012 04:59 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Nunez (Post 1754422)
Is anyone planning on buying this on the 27th when it's available?

Adorama and B&H say that on their websites but I just think that is when you could pre-order it and on Amazon it says "Sign up to be notified when this item becomes available". BTW I pre-ordered the VG900 from Samy's Camera in LA on Sep 18.

Joe Ogiba September 22nd, 2012 06:17 AM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Here is a video shot at Photokina at the Sony stand and the VG900 demo starts at 30:00.


Paul Rickford September 25th, 2012 02:04 AM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Has anyone had chance at a demo or show to go through the menu on the VG900?
I would really like to know if it enables all or any of the on lens Steady Shot settings on the NEX lenses in APS-C crop mode, of course there is not any IS for Full frame alpha lenses on the chip and all the publicity is geared towards full frame, infact I have not even seen a pic with a NEX lens attached to the VX900 yet.

Just noticed that you cant enable the active mode on the 18-200mm VG20 kit lens on the NEX7, only standard or off.

Thanks

Joe Ogiba September 26th, 2012 12:47 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
1 Attachment(s)
Here is a photo of the VG900 withFF Zeiss 50mm Cine lens with NEX E mount :

Joe Ogiba September 30th, 2012 07:13 AM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
"This video compares the APS-C & 1/2.88' sensor vs the 35mm Full Frame Image Sensor found on the new Sony NEX-VG900 35mm Full Frame Camcorder."

Werner Graf October 1st, 2012 12:04 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Same Sensor VG 900 A77

Eye North: Sony A99 - Gimme Moire!

Lowlight test Sony a99, Nikon D600, Canon 6D, GH3

Eye North: Sony a99, Nikon D600, Canon 6D, GH3

Joe Ogiba October 3rd, 2012 10:36 AM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
Here is a short film " Home on the Road " shot with the VG900 and Carl Zeiss Vario Sonner 24-70mm F2.8 :

Joe Ogiba October 18th, 2012 04:51 PM

Re: Sony VG900 - first image
 
VG900 Instruction/Operation manuals now available for download.

Sony : Support for NEX-VG900E | NEX-VG900E technical support



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:22 AM.

DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2024 The Digital Video Information Network