Custom Picture Profiles at DVinfo.net

Fred Davis · March 20th, 2010, 04:42 AM

Has anyone played around with the Picture Profile and have some custom results they like to post?

Andy Loos · June 18th, 2010, 09:52 AM

I would also be very interested in learning more about custom picture profiles.
Thanks.

John Vasey · June 18th, 2010, 11:08 PM

To my goal of getting a sharp picture and a warmer color palette, here's a profile that seems to work. Try it and see what you think...

I shot several before and after tests and was pleased with a crisper image, warmer and slightly more saturated colors, as well as a more accurate color rendition.

Start with the default Picture Profile 3 and then proceed to customize it. Number 3 is designated as a shoulder camera with ITU-709 gamma.

Here is what you change within profile 3.

In Color Mode change the default from "standard" to "ITU-709."

In Detail, change from default zero to +4.
Change v/h balance from default zero to -1.

I think these results are quite nice and I will continue to explore and refine the other settings as well.

John

Rick Pugsley · June 21st, 2010, 09:37 PM

It would be nice if SOny provided a way upload picture profiles, then users could share profiles they like wth others. For what is worth I arrived at detail at +4 also, starting with profile #5, and set color levels at +3 to get a bit more color intensity.

John Meeks · June 22nd, 2010, 12:10 PM

Isn't it better to shoot clean video, and do things like this (color, sharpness, etc.) in post?

Joe Goldsberry · June 22nd, 2010, 02:24 PM

It's tough to add sharpness/detail in post.

Joe

John Meeks · June 22nd, 2010, 02:59 PM

I'm guessing that changing the settings on the camera is just changing the way the images are processed in the camera's software, so shouldn't the post-production software be able to do the same thing? Sharpening is a very common algorithm. Or does the camera discard data that would result in a better image?

Junior Pascual · June 23rd, 2010, 04:43 PM

John, Rick.

Thanks for the tips!

Marc Myers · June 24th, 2010, 08:52 AM

In terms of adding sharpness in post, its much easier to do it at the camera. That said, loosing sharpness in post is very, very difficult. I favor a light touch on detail. My rule with tweaking is set it up to look just great, then split the difference between the default and the tweak. I shoot with it for a while and see how much trouble I have made for myself.

Mark A. Foley · January 19th, 2011, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Vasey

To my goal of getting a sharp picture and a warmer color palette, here's a profile that seems to work. Try it and see what you think...

I shot several before and after tests and was pleased with a crisper image, warmer and slightly more saturated colors, as well as a more accurate color rendition.

Start with the default Picture Profile 3 and then proceed to customize it. Number 3 is designated as a shoulder camera with ITU-709 gamma.

Here is what you change within profile 3.

In Color Mode change the default from "standard" to "ITU-709."

In Detail, change from default zero to +4.
Change v/h balance from default zero to -1.

I think these results are quite nice and I will continue to explore and refine the other settings as well.

John

Any updates to this John?

John Vasey · January 23rd, 2011, 09:24 PM

The picture profile that I suggested and which you quoted in this thread (modifying the default picture profile 3 preset...with ITU-709 gamma) is still the best recipe that I like for overall shooting. To further add to that, here are a few more settings that I have finetuned to further compliment that profile.

Black gamma (middle)...set to -2

Color level...set to +1.

This combination helps give the midtones of the image a bit more punch and not look too pale.

I also use auto knee max point...95

Hope this helps for those that want to further tweak the profile settings...John

Mark A. Foley · January 25th, 2011, 07:35 AM

I've been playing with different settings via HDMI output to a HD monitor...one thing I've come across that I believe has been discussed here before. To me, the best do far (with a combination of the settings in camera/settings in post have been a one/single tweak to the original PP1 profile...I simply enable cinematone2. With this setting I have been able to raise the gain +3 dB with about the same comparable noise as the other gamma curves..that is easily removed in post. In fact, having moved to the AVCHD codec, I'm surprised how much you can push it in post before it falls apart.

I'm starting to feel that setting the camera as flat as possible (except for the cinematone2) maybe a safer route... more experimiting as I have 3 weeks before the next paid gig :-)

March 20th, 2010, 04:42 AM	#1
Fred Davis New Boot Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 22	Custom Picture Profiles Has anyone played around with the Picture Profile and have some custom results they like to post?

June 18th, 2010, 11:08 PM	#3
John Vasey Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 75	picture profile setting to share... To my goal of getting a sharp picture and a warmer color palette, here's a profile that seems to work. Try it and see what you think... I shot several before and after tests and was pleased with a crisper image, warmer and slightly more saturated colors, as well as a more accurate color rendition. Start with the default Picture Profile 3 and then proceed to customize it. Number 3 is designated as a shoulder camera with ITU-709 gamma. Here is what you change within profile 3. In Color Mode change the default from "standard" to "ITU-709." In Detail, change from default zero to +4. Change v/h balance from default zero to -1. I think these results are quite nice and I will continue to explore and refine the other settings as well. John

June 21st, 2010, 09:37 PM	#4
Rick Pugsley New Boot Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: charlotte, nc Posts: 9	NX5 picture profiles It would be nice if SOny provided a way upload picture profiles, then users could share profiles they like wth others. For what is worth I arrived at detail at +4 also, starting with profile #5, and set color levels at +3 to get a bit more color intensity.

June 22nd, 2010, 02:24 PM	#6
Joe Goldsberry Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Whitman, Mass Posts: 101	It's tough to add sharpness/detail in post. Joe __________________ http://JoeGoldsberry.com

January 23rd, 2011, 09:24 PM	#11
John Vasey Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 75	update to picture profile... The picture profile that I suggested and which you quoted in this thread (modifying the default picture profile 3 preset...with ITU-709 gamma) is still the best recipe that I like for overall shooting. To further add to that, here are a few more settings that I have finetuned to further compliment that profile. Black gamma (middle)...set to -2 Color level...set to +1. This combination helps give the midtones of the image a bit more punch and not look too pale. I also use auto knee max point...95 Hope this helps for those that want to further tweak the profile settings...John

June 18th, 2010, 09:52 AM	#2
Andy Loos Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 84	I would also be very interested in learning more about custom picture profiles. Thanks.

June 22nd, 2010, 12:10 PM	#5
John Meeks Regular Crew Join Date: May 2010 Location: Middletown, NY, USA Posts: 106	Isn't it better to shoot clean video, and do things like this (color, sharpness, etc.) in post?

June 22nd, 2010, 02:59 PM	#7
John Meeks Regular Crew Join Date: May 2010 Location: Middletown, NY, USA Posts: 106	I'm guessing that changing the settings on the camera is just changing the way the images are processed in the camera's software, so shouldn't the post-production software be able to do the same thing? Sharpening is a very common algorithm. Or does the camera discard data that would result in a better image?

June 23rd, 2010, 04:43 PM	#8
Junior Pascual Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mililani, Hawaii Posts: 89	John, Rick. Thanks for the tips!

June 24th, 2010, 08:52 AM	#9
Marc Myers Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Long Island, NY and Northeast PA Posts: 132	In terms of adding sharpness in post, its much easier to do it at the camera. That said, loosing sharpness in post is very, very difficult. I favor a light touch on detail. My rule with tweaking is set it up to look just great, then split the difference between the default and the tweak. I shoot with it for a while and see how much trouble I have made for myself.

January 25th, 2011, 07:35 AM	#12
Mark A. Foley Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bonaire, Ga. Posts: 356	I've been playing with different settings via HDMI output to a HD monitor...one thing I've come across that I believe has been discussed here before. To me, the best do far (with a combination of the settings in camera/settings in post have been a one/single tweak to the original PP1 profile...I simply enable cinematone2. With this setting I have been able to raise the gain +3 dB with about the same comparable noise as the other gamma curves..that is easily removed in post. In fact, having moved to the AVCHD codec, I'm surprised how much you can push it in post before it falls apart. I'm starting to feel that setting the camera as flat as possible (except for the cinematone2) maybe a safer route... more experimiting as I have 3 weeks before the next paid gig :-)