Media Composer and NX 5 at DVinfo.net

Dan Asseff · April 3rd, 2010, 07:30 PM

I am trying to decide on which editing platform to edit these files with. I edit with Liquid now using Avi files from PD170 and the mpeg from the NX5. It was a no brainer on which platform to go with (Edius) until I got the email from Avid for $495 for the complete full program. I have downloaded both programs for a test drive and found to nobody's suprise that Edius works pretty good with the AVCHD files. I have saved some AVCHD files from Edius timeline out to AVCHD and it works in MC. But the same files won't work in MC. My computer is the new I7, with 6 gigs of ram. MC won't even play the MPEG files from the NX5. What should I do?? Some of the programs that come with Avid are really good programs, I just can't afford both of them after buying the camera and the computer.

Thanks,
Dan
www.forevermomentsvideo.com

Ron Evans · April 3rd, 2010, 09:58 PM

I would certainly wait to see what NAB has to offer in the next two weeks. Edius will have an upgrade to 5.5 that will be even better. IF you don't need some of the Edius PRo 5.5 features then Neo with Booster 2.5 is less costly.

Ron Evans

Perrone Ford · April 4th, 2010, 08:27 AM

For me this would be a slam dunk. But it doesn't sound like Avid is the correct solution for you if you want to edit your native files.

A team of horses couldn't pull me away from the mouse if I could get Avid for $500. That's the bargain of the decade.

Dan Asseff · April 5th, 2010, 08:16 AM

Thanks for the response.
Perrone, If I went with Avid what would be the work flow? Its weard that it is so pickey with codec.

Ron, what is the difference in Edius 5/5.5 and Neo?

Perrone Ford · April 5th, 2010, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Asseff

Thanks for the response.
Perrone, If I went with Avid what would be the work flow? Its weard that it is so pickey with codec.

Ron, what is the difference in Edius 5/5.5 and Neo?

Avid is not picky with the codec. It transcodes video to a known quantity and then is able to accelerate that codec. Same thing that happens in Edius, Final Cut Pro, etc. This is why those editors are the choice of professional editors.

Essentially it boils down to a choice. You pay the piper up front in transcode times, or you have an open timeline and pay the piper later in stability and speed.

You choose.

Ron Evans · April 5th, 2010, 09:22 AM

There used to be a comparison chart on the GV site but I can't find it now. Professional Video Products | Grass Valley

The main difference at the moment between Neo Booster and Edius Pro 5 is that Neo has accelerated AVCHD playback in realtime which will be included in the Edius Pro 5.5 release. The programing differences are that Edius Pro has multicam editing and native file operation for the professional cameras. Look at the url above and you can download the specs for each and compare. If you are just going to edit one camera in DV, HDV, MPEG or AVCHD then Neo may be sufficient at less cost AND you can have your upgrade to AVID!!!!

Ron Evans

Charlie Steiner · April 6th, 2010, 07:33 PM

someone writing in dv magazine and in videography predicts that at NAB Avid will announce AVCHD support, and I've got my fingers crossed that it happens...

Devin Termini · April 18th, 2010, 12:28 AM

Avid has announced AVCHD support with the release of Media Composer 5. Avid reps at the show said the software should ship in June.

Dan Asseff · April 19th, 2010, 06:31 AM

I hope that former liquid users who get the $495 price to switch MC get MC5 and not MC4. If they don't that would just be wrong.

Dan
Forever Moments Video Productions

Charlie Steiner · April 19th, 2010, 07:28 PM

there's a free upgrade to MC5 for buyers of the current release 4. don't hold your breath until June as Avid major upgrades are sometimes late...

Ervz Tia · July 27th, 2010, 01:13 AM

Hello,
So, did our AVCHD wishes come true with MC5?
I'm really attracted to Sony NXCAM.

Perrone Ford · July 27th, 2010, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ervz Tia

Hello,
So, did our AVCHD wishes come true with MC5?
I'm really attracted to Sony NXCAM.

Well, I have Avid MC5, but no NXCam to test for you. Maybe someone else knows.

Dan Asseff · July 27th, 2010, 09:16 PM

Yes dreams do come true. Haven't had time to play/learn the program, but it will edit AVCHD codec. You must have a very fast system to play it though. Does any body know of training DVDs?

Dan
Forever Moments Video Productions

Perrone Ford · July 27th, 2010, 09:28 PM

MC5 doesn't know all AVCHD, that's for sure. There is a great set of online tutorials right on the Avid web site. They were VERY valuable to me getting started. When I ordered my Avid from The Videoguys, they sent along a good training DVD. It was for MC4, but nearly everything translates right over.

Dan Asseff · July 27th, 2010, 09:33 PM

Perrone,

Thanks, I check it out. Are you still using the DVD? Would you want to sell it?

Dan
Forever Moments Video Productions

April 3rd, 2010, 07:30 PM	#1
Dan Asseff Major Player Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Port Orange Fl Posts: 317	Media Composer and NX 5 I am trying to decide on which editing platform to edit these files with. I edit with Liquid now using Avi files from PD170 and the mpeg from the NX5. It was a no brainer on which platform to go with (Edius) until I got the email from Avid for $495 for the complete full program. I have downloaded both programs for a test drive and found to nobody's suprise that Edius works pretty good with the AVCHD files. I have saved some AVCHD files from Edius timeline out to AVCHD and it works in MC. But the same files won't work in MC. My computer is the new I7, with 6 gigs of ram. MC won't even play the MPEG files from the NX5. What should I do?? Some of the programs that come with Avid are really good programs, I just can't afford both of them after buying the camera and the computer. Thanks, Dan www.forevermomentsvideo.com

April 4th, 2010, 08:27 AM	#3
Perrone Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 4,100	For me this would be a slam dunk. But it doesn't sound like Avid is the correct solution for you if you want to edit your native files. A team of horses couldn't pull me away from the mouse if I could get Avid for $500. That's the bargain of the decade. __________________ DVX100, PMW-EX1, Canon 550D, FigRig, Dell Octocore, Avid MC4/5, MB Looks, RedCineX, Matrox MX02 mini, GTech RAID, Edirol R-4, Senn. G2 Evo, Countryman, Moles and Lowels.

July 27th, 2010, 01:13 AM	#11
Ervz Tia Regular Crew Join Date: May 2008 Location: Philippines Posts: 42	Media Composer and NX 5 Hello, So, did our AVCHD wishes come true with MC5? I'm really attracted to Sony NXCAM.

July 27th, 2010, 09:28 PM	#14
Perrone Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 4,100	MC5 doesn't know all AVCHD, that's for sure. There is a great set of online tutorials right on the Avid web site. They were VERY valuable to me getting started. When I ordered my Avid from The Videoguys, they sent along a good training DVD. It was for MC4, but nearly everything translates right over. __________________ DVX100, PMW-EX1, Canon 550D, FigRig, Dell Octocore, Avid MC4/5, MB Looks, RedCineX, Matrox MX02 mini, GTech RAID, Edirol R-4, Senn. G2 Evo, Countryman, Moles and Lowels.

April 3rd, 2010, 09:58 PM	#2
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	I would certainly wait to see what NAB has to offer in the next two weeks. Edius will have an upgrade to 5.5 that will be even better. IF you don't need some of the Edius PRo 5.5 features then Neo with Booster 2.5 is less costly. Ron Evans

April 5th, 2010, 08:16 AM	#4
Dan Asseff Major Player Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Port Orange Fl Posts: 317	Thanks for the response. Perrone, If I went with Avid what would be the work flow? Its weard that it is so pickey with codec. Ron, what is the difference in Edius 5/5.5 and Neo?

April 5th, 2010, 09:22 AM	#6
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	There used to be a comparison chart on the GV site but I can't find it now. Professional Video Products \| Grass Valley The main difference at the moment between Neo Booster and Edius Pro 5 is that Neo has accelerated AVCHD playback in realtime which will be included in the Edius Pro 5.5 release. The programing differences are that Edius Pro has multicam editing and native file operation for the professional cameras. Look at the url above and you can download the specs for each and compare. If you are just going to edit one camera in DV, HDV, MPEG or AVCHD then Neo may be sufficient at less cost AND you can have your upgrade to AVID!!!! Ron Evans

April 6th, 2010, 07:33 PM	#7
Charlie Steiner Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 66	someone writing in dv magazine and in videography predicts that at NAB Avid will announce AVCHD support, and I've got my fingers crossed that it happens...

April 18th, 2010, 12:28 AM	#8
Devin Termini Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mount Pleasant, MI Posts: 177	Avid has announced AVCHD support with the release of Media Composer 5. Avid reps at the show said the software should ship in June.

April 19th, 2010, 06:31 AM	#9
Dan Asseff Major Player Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Port Orange Fl Posts: 317	I hope that former liquid users who get the $495 price to switch MC get MC5 and not MC4. If they don't that would just be wrong. Dan Forever Moments Video Productions

April 19th, 2010, 07:28 PM	#10
Charlie Steiner Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 66	there's a free upgrade to MC5 for buyers of the current release 4. don't hold your breath until June as Avid major upgrades are sometimes late...

July 27th, 2010, 09:16 PM	#13
Dan Asseff Major Player Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Port Orange Fl Posts: 317	Yes dreams do come true. Haven't had time to play/learn the program, but it will edit AVCHD codec. You must have a very fast system to play it though. Does any body know of training DVDs? Dan Forever Moments Video Productions

July 27th, 2010, 09:33 PM	#15
Dan Asseff Major Player Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Port Orange Fl Posts: 317	Perrone, Thanks, I check it out. Are you still using the DVD? Would you want to sell it? Dan Forever Moments Video Productions