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Alister Chapman January 19th, 2011 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Fairhurst (Post 1609087)
Scarlet 2/3, which I mentioned in particular, can shoot a very high frame rate (150 fps burst). That means it has an exceptionally fast readout for a CMOS sensor.

As you say, it has a fast burst rate, but can it sustain that fast read out continuously without cooking the sensor? The F3 can shoot at full resolution 60P without any time limits (outputting over Dual Link HDSDi, no internal recording). Red One can do 120fps at 2k for short periods, yet at normal frame rates exhibits a similar amount of skew to an EX as both use a simple continuous rolling scan system where the read speed varies with frame rate. The EX is 2x frame rate and I believe that Red One is the same so you have a half frame period for integration followed by a half frame readout period. This allows the sensor to be used for both progressive and interlace.

Jon Fairhurst January 19th, 2011 05:22 PM

That's interesting. I wonder if they might upgrade the control circuitry to enable fast reads at lower framerates in their second generation cameras.

I tested the 25ms skew time on the 5D2 at 30 fps and assumed that it wouldn't change at 24 fps. I need to do another test...

Glen Vandermolen January 23rd, 2011 11:02 AM

Here's some new video of the prototype:

YouTube - [InterBEE2010]SONY???03 E???????NXCAM???????

YouTube - Sony NXCAM Super 35MM Development - CES 2011

Apologies if they've already been posted.
That handle thingy on top looks a little weird. But I can see where that front circle clamp can support the EX3 viewfinder.
Hmm..it clearly states 1080/60P.

Craig Seeman January 23rd, 2011 11:20 AM

Interesting that Sony has made public a "tentative" price of $6000.

BTW I'd bet that Sony is responding to feedback from the prototypes at the trade shows to make design changes.

Erik Phairas January 23rd, 2011 08:25 PM

Keeping my eye on it. Hope it turns out to have at least the same in camera picture quality as it's big brother.

Buba Kastorski January 23rd, 2011 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erik Phairas (Post 1610655)
Hope it turns out to have at least the same in camera picture quality as it's big brother.

That's some very optimistic prognosis,
I would rather expect NXCAM to be on par with AF100

Erik Phairas January 23rd, 2011 09:44 PM

Well it will already up the F3 in that it can do 1080x60p in camera. The F3 needs an external recorder to do that.

Jean Daniel Villiers March 2nd, 2011 11:48 AM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
Some update here Sony NXCAM 35 Film and Digital Times: News , it is more confirmation of what was speculated. One very important thing is that it will have the same sensor than the F3. New info is that it will come with two xlr input. They did not talk about the sdi output but I guess we will not have to wait to long because Sony will be launching it at NAB and expect delivery by June.

Sony seems to have embraced the s35 video market. They seem to have planned a whole line of product from the nex 5 camera in the low end, to the ultra high end with their 4k(8k) camera.

Glen Vandermolen March 2nd, 2011 01:39 PM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
Here's even more info from DV.com:

Sony?s Big (NAB Show) Reveal ? Part I

Based upon the pics, it looks to be quite small. Interesting is the look-down monitor, like a Hasselblad.

Jean Daniel Villiers March 2nd, 2011 01:51 PM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
No news on the 10 bit sdi output that was said before. Let just hope.

Glen Vandermolen March 2nd, 2011 04:27 PM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
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Here's an example of a Hasselblad.

I've always liked the form factor of Hasselblads. If the NXCAM S-35 is similar, as the people who've seen it have said, it'd be a pretty sweet camera, at least as far as appearance.

Ozzy Alvarez March 2nd, 2011 07:25 PM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
Based upon the pics, it looks to be quite small. Interesting is the look-down monitor, like a Hasselblad.[/quote]

So, according to the article, Sony has three new NXCams to be revealed at NAB. The S35mm camcorder, a compact sized camcorder, probably the NXCam version of the HVR-A1, and a 3D NXCam. Should be interesting to see what all 3 cams have to offer. The article also said that we'll get a look at the pictures of these cameras after some embargo which ends on March 23. That's only four weeks away. So, we'll soon know what these camcorders look like.


Ozzy

Heath McKnight March 3rd, 2011 11:06 PM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
3D, 35mm, super compact, nice! I'm excited to see Sony's offerings, but I think I'll be missing my 3rd NAB in a row.

Heath

Chris Medico March 4th, 2011 06:39 AM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
I'll be checking this cam out in as much detail as possible. I'll share what I find out.

Emmanuel Plakiotis March 4th, 2011 07:17 AM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
In both articles there was no mention for a HDSDI OUT. Does anybody know if it is implemented? For me is very crucial.

Mikko Topponen March 4th, 2011 07:28 AM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Fairhurst (Post 1608835)
One thing about Scarlet 2/3 vs. existing s35 and ff35 sensors: Scarlet's rolling shutter is likely to be negligible.

Why do you say that? All the other 2/3 or 1/3 cmos sensors exhibit the same amount of rolling shutter, why would scarlet be any different?

Mikko Topponen March 4th, 2011 07:32 AM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Fairhurst (Post 1609087)
Scarlet 2/3, which I mentioned in particular, can shoot a very high frame rate (150 fps burst). That means it has an exceptionally fast readout for a CMOS sensor.

Or it may have the same rolling shutter as RED in 2k mode. Which means about half, but also only 1/4 of the pixels is used.

Or it may have a "slightly" better rolling shutter when shooting high fps but still have a lot of wiggle when doing regular speed.

Glen Vandermolen March 4th, 2011 07:45 AM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Emmanuel Plakiotis (Post 1624431)
In both articles there was no mention for a HDSDI OUT. Does anybody know if it is implemented? For me is very crucial.

It's odd that no one who's seen the camera has mentioned this. That would have been one of the first things I'd have checked for, as I suspect most people on this forum would have as well.

Since this is called an NXCAM, and the existing NXCAM, the NX5U, does have a 10-bit HD/SDI port, it would seem logical to have such a port. The competition, the AF100, certainly does (8-bit, anyway).

Chris Medico March 4th, 2011 08:40 AM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Emmanuel Plakiotis (Post 1624431)
In both articles there was no mention for a HDSDI OUT. Does anybody know if it is implemented? For me is very crucial.

If that info doesn't surface before NAB I'll be sure to find out. I need it as well.

David Heath March 4th, 2011 09:25 AM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Glen Vandermolen (Post 1624441)
It's odd that no one who's seen the camera has mentioned this. That would have been one of the first things I'd have checked for.

I strongly suspect the people who saw it are under an embargo regarding a lot of details, the self "censored" photographs being an obvious example. It seems likely that external outputs are something else this applies to.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Glen Vandermolen (Post 1624441)
Since this is called an NXCAM, and the existing NXCAM, the NX5U, does have a 10-bit HD/SDI port, it would seem logical to have such a port.

Seems sensible reasoning.

Anthony Mozora March 9th, 2011 03:05 AM

FS-100 NXCAM S35mm Sony Camera Has A Name:
 
FS-100 NXCAM S35mm Sony Camera Has A Name:

On the 23rd of March expect that the new Sony NXCAM Super 35mm Cine Compact camera with removable lens will officially be called the FS-100? You can also bet money that regional editions of the Sony NXCAM will be sold as the FS-100E, FS-100P, FS-100U etc but will come to be universally called the Sony FS-100 NXCAM camera. NB theses are tips we received and sources have a great track record so far.
Prices bandied about for the Sony FS-100 NXCAM S35mm camera have been $7,000 and $6,000 but we have had a few whispers that it could well be lower than $6k.
Keep watching for the March 23 NXCAM showing when all is revealed.


Sony FS-100 NXCAM S35mm E Mount
FS-100 features a single 23.6mm x 13.3mm F11 ISO800 Exmor Super35 CMOS sensor which is the same as the the PMW-F3 camera Sensor.
Interchangeable lenses attach to the camera via E-mount. Third party manufacturer lens mounts will be available for other type of camera lenses.
Records AVCHD Full HD.
The S35mm NXCAM sports a 3.5″ flip-out monitor sits on the top of the camera which makes the modular design look like a Hasselblad camera.
Expect plenty of 1/4-20 and 3/8-16 screw mounts on the cameras body.
There will be a mic extension removable top handle and right side hand grip also removable.

Keep an eye out for Sony announcements on the Sony FS-100 NXCAM.

FS-100 NXCAM S35mm Sony Camera Has A Name: | Cinescopophilia

Kris Zimbelman March 12th, 2011 10:54 AM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
"FS-100"
this is the same name of a cannon consumer camcorder. Not that anybody are going to confuse the two, but shouldn't this be a consideration?

Robin Davies-Rollinson March 12th, 2011 01:41 PM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
I think that is H FS100...

Glen Vandermolen March 12th, 2011 02:29 PM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
While I appreciate Cinemascopophilia's guarantees on the name of this camera, I think I'll wait until the official announcement from the Sony Corporation before I call this camera the FS-100.

Sanjin Svajger March 13th, 2011 07:52 AM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
FS-100 is also the "Firestore" disk... I had one for my HPX171...

Sander Vreuls March 13th, 2011 08:16 AM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
And a SDI framestore card from Axon :P

Jean Daniel Villiers March 14th, 2011 06:21 AM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
Big surprise here Den Lennie Teases News Of A Prototype Camera He Is Using: Sony FS-100? | Cinescopophilia we could be seing the first footage of the NXCAM/FS100 camera.

Anthony Mozora March 14th, 2011 01:45 PM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
creativevideo in uk has changed the status of the new NXCAM S35 from coming soon to Expected: 02/05/2011

Glen Vandermolen March 14th, 2011 02:17 PM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony Mozora (Post 1627891)
creativevideo in uk has changed the status of the new NXCAM S35 from coming soon to Expected: 02/05/2011

That would be May 2, 2011 for us yanks.

Dan Keaton March 14th, 2011 02:19 PM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
Sorry, Glen already posted the same info.

Ozzy Alvarez March 15th, 2011 05:52 PM

Re: FS-100 NXCAM S35mm Sony Camera Has A Name:
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony Mozora (Post 1626072)
FS-100 NXCAM S35mm Sony Camera Has A Name:

On the 23rd of March expect that the new Sony NXCAM Super 35mm Cine Compact camera with removable lens will officially be called the FS-100? You can also bet money that regional editions of the Sony NXCAM will be sold as the FS-100E, FS-100P, FS-100U etc but will come to be universally called the Sony FS-100 NXCAM camera. NB theses are tips we received and sources have a great track record so far.
Prices bandied about for the Sony FS-100 NXCAM S35mm camera have been $7,000 and $6,000 but we have had a few whispers that it could well be lower than $6k.
Keep watching for the March 23 NXCAM showing when all is revealed.


Sony FS-100 NXCAM S35mm E Mount
FS-100 features a single 23.6mm x 13.3mm F11 ISO800 Exmor Super35 CMOS sensor which is the same as the the PMW-F3 camera Sensor.
Interchangeable lenses attach to the camera via E-mount. Third party manufacturer lens mounts will be available for other type of camera lenses.
Records AVCHD Full HD.
The S35mm NXCAM sports a 3.5″ flip-out monitor sits on the top of the camera which makes the modular design look like a Hasselblad camera.
Expect plenty of 1/4-20 and 3/8-16 screw mounts on the cameras body.
There will be a mic extension removable top handle and right side hand grip also removable.

Keep an eye out for Sony announcements on the Sony FS-100 NXCAM.

FS-100 NXCAM S35mm Sony Camera Has A Name: | Cinescopophilia



This March 23 showing which will unveil the 35mm NXCAM, the compact NXCAM, and the 3-D NXCAM, will it be online or at some private press only Sony corporate meeting in either Japan, Europe or North America? I keep hearing about this March 23 unveil, but, when, where, and at what time?

Ozzy

Monday Isa March 15th, 2011 06:02 PM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozzy Alvarez (Post 1628242)
This March 23 showing which will unveil the 35mm NXCAM, the compact NXCAM, and the 3-D NXCAM, will it be online or at some private press only Sony corporate meeting in either Japan, Europe or North America?....

Ozzy

It's a guarantee that all the info will be repeated throughout the different forums within seconds of the embargo being lifted. So March 23 visit this thread and your questions should be answered.

Michael Liebergot March 17th, 2011 07:47 AM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
I wonder with the tsunami and power plant problems, if Sony will delay the release of information.

I read that Sony in Japan was hit pretty hard and their having rolling blackout throughout the country, which is obviously delaying productions and other things like even shipping of products.
Many like Sony, Panasonic, San Disk etc. have already donated millions to relief efforts.

While business is business I think the focus and priorities have shifted right now in Japan.
And understandably so.

Monday Isa March 17th, 2011 08:00 AM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Liebergot (Post 1628745)
I wonder with the tsunami and power plant problems, if Sony will delay the release of information...

I don't think they will. Now delivery times maybe delayed but not the release of the information. There are quite a few companies that have all the info we need but can't talk about it till March 23. I know Abel Cine is one of them.

Anthony Mozora March 22nd, 2011 11:42 PM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
PICTURES AND DETAILS here........
Sony FS-100 enters | crews.tv

Min Lee March 23rd, 2011 01:15 AM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
Wow its kinda fuglee and awkward but for some reason I still want it. No wonder Sony realeased the specs before the pics.

Ozzy Alvarez March 23rd, 2011 01:38 AM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
It looks like the EX3 and the VG10 got together to have an offspring.

Jonathan Palfrey March 23rd, 2011 01:50 AM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
Hmm I dont know what to say about it, in some ways I like it in other ways I dont. I think the size and modular design could be good, it looks like its not much larger than an SLR. Also it will fit onto my shoulder rig nicely which is cool.

However I am concerned about the lack of ND filters, that could almost be a deal breaker,

Brian Drysdale March 23rd, 2011 01:57 AM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
The layout looks more interesting than the very traditional F3 handicam layout, I can see people getting brackets to reposition V/F.

Anthony Mozora March 23rd, 2011 02:43 AM

Re: Sony to expand 35mm large format NXCAM lineup
 
another negative spec for this new camera is that does not have a DUAL CARD SLOT but only one.

''We also get one card slot which once again is an unusual choice as most solid state camcorders give you two card slots. ''


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