HC1000 -- various questions

Stephen Finton · December 6th, 2005, 01:34 PM

Oops! That's what that picture was for! I deleted a picture last night with me holding the camera because I couldn't remember why I took such a picture. Hah!

I'll put one up again.

Stephen Finton · January 18th, 2006, 01:22 AM

Here go:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...e/DSC00125.jpg

Kept on forgetting to do this...

This picture is of an HC1000 with a round lens hood, UV filter and a RHODE Videomic. The swivel grip is rotated forward allowing me to hold it at waist level VERY comfortably and steadicam-like.

Jens East · January 18th, 2006, 10:07 AM

Nice. A Rhode is on my wishlist too. The only thing that im not happy about is the wideangle on the HC1000. 49mm is not enough.. Dont know what will suit my needs best, the Sony VCL-SW04 x0.45 or the Sony VCL-HG0737Y x0.7. Any advice? But its still an amazing little handycam..

/jens...

Boyd Ostroff · January 18th, 2006, 10:21 AM

I'd be surprised if you were happy with a $75 wide angle lens. These are generally the cheapo ones that Sony sells for their low end single CCD camcorders: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search

I haven't tried that lens, but I did get one of their cheap telephotos that I found on sale for $20. Screwed it on the camera, found that sharp focus was impossible, tossed it in the trash can.

Don't have personal experience with the high grade wide lens, but I do have their high grade telephoto and it's excellent. You get what you pay for... http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search

But if you're interested in wide angle lenses, the topic has been beaten to death in this forum WRT to the PDX-10 which uses the same models:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=47438
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=45338
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=39271
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=29139
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=10273
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=25739

Stephen Finton · January 18th, 2006, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens East

Nice. A Rhode is on my wishlist too. The only thing that im not happy about is the wideangle on the HC1000. 49mm is not enough.. Dont know what will suit my needs best, the Sony VCL-SW04 x0.45 or the Sony VCL-HG0737Y x0.7. Any advice? But its still an amazing little handycam..

/jens...

Yeah, I've been lucky to have only filmed in rooms big enough for me to scoot back and "take it all in". I keep on saying I'll buy a wide angle lens. Only need one because I can't imagine needing more than one wide angle shot of anything. But yeah, the wide bites on the HC1000.

The VCL-HG0737Y is one I've been eyeballing periodically. I guess I am just waiting for the fateful day I REALLY need it. Some reason to spur me on towards Fry's Electronics or Wolf Camera. I am lazy.

Stephen Finton · March 13th, 2006, 09:47 AM

Since the CCDs on the HC1000 and the PDX10 are actually using 1152x864 and then recording that to an SD signal, I surmise (good word, huh?) that the frame mode gives you half of the CCDs' total resolution, which puts you somewhere in the range of NTSC's limits anyway. So I've set my camera to a shutter speed of 1/30, as it also halves the total resolution and turned on frame record and it really doesn't look half bad, if you'll pardon the pun.

If I change the shutter speed to 1/60, won't I then be splitting the NTSC signal in half, only getting a max of 360x240 or so?

Am I confused?

Stephen Finton · March 14th, 2006, 04:58 PM

Apparently I am confused.

Frame Record mode on the HC1000 is only for stop motion animation. :(

Stu Holmes · March 17th, 2006, 10:31 AM

Yep and i think i tried it myself a few months ago - it writes each frame to the memory card, so i think you can then use the frames later on in a software editor and concatenate them.

Stephen Finton · March 17th, 2006, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu Holmes

Yep and i think i tried it myself a few months ago - it writes each frame to the memory card, so i think you can then use the frames later on in a software editor and concatenate them.

According to the manual, it records 6 frames each time the record button is pressed.

Stu Holmes · March 21st, 2006, 04:41 PM

yep i just checked and you're right. Wonder why it records 6 frames.
Or more accurately (as pwer manual) it says "approximately 6 frames".

bit strange!

i've used the interval record before but the minimum amount it wil record is0.5secs to the tape. That's not what i wanted.
What i was wanting to do was do a "speeded-up clouds passing by". You know what i mean. didn't really work...

Boyd Ostroff · March 21st, 2006, 04:52 PM

This same feature is there on other Sony cameras and isn't very useful. I think the idea behind saying that it records "approximately 6 frames" is due to the fact that it cycles the tape drive on and off, which isn't frame accurate.

The interval record feature is OK for time lapse work over a period of hours (I used it to record the snow piling up during an 8 hour period, for example), but not very good for moving clouds in the sky. You're much better off to just shoot that in real time and speed up in post.

Stephen Finton · March 21st, 2006, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boyd Ostroff

This same feature is there on other Sony cameras and isn't very useful. I think the idea behind saying that it records "approximately 6 frames" is due to the fact that it cycles the tape drive on and off, which isn't frame accurate.

The interval record feature is OK for time lapse work over a period of hours (I used it to record the snow piling up during an 8 hour period, for example), but not very good for moving clouds in the sky. You're much better off to just shoot that in real time and speed up in post.

What type of plant gives the best bloom sequences? ;)

March 13th, 2006, 09:47 AM	#111
Stephen Finton Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 344	HC1000 frame record mode. Since the CCDs on the HC1000 and the PDX10 are actually using 1152x864 and then recording that to an SD signal, I surmise (good word, huh?) that the frame mode gives you half of the CCDs' total resolution, which puts you somewhere in the range of NTSC's limits anyway. So I've set my camera to a shutter speed of 1/30, as it also halves the total resolution and turned on frame record and it really doesn't look half bad, if you'll pardon the pun. If I change the shutter speed to 1/60, won't I then be splitting the NTSC signal in half, only getting a max of 360x240 or so? Am I confused?

December 6th, 2005, 01:34 PM	#106
Stephen Finton Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 344	Oops! That's what that picture was for! I deleted a picture last night with me holding the camera because I couldn't remember why I took such a picture. Hah! I'll put one up again.

January 18th, 2006, 01:22 AM	#107
Stephen Finton Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 344	Here go: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...e/DSC00125.jpg Kept on forgetting to do this... This picture is of an HC1000 with a round lens hood, UV filter and a RHODE Videomic. The swivel grip is rotated forward allowing me to hold it at waist level VERY comfortably and steadicam-like.

January 18th, 2006, 10:07 AM	#108
Jens East New Boot Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 5	Nice. A Rhode is on my wishlist too. The only thing that im not happy about is the wideangle on the HC1000. 49mm is not enough.. Dont know what will suit my needs best, the Sony VCL-SW04 x0.45 or the Sony VCL-HG0737Y x0.7. Any advice? But its still an amazing little handycam.. /jens...

January 18th, 2006, 10:21 AM	#109
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,787	I'd be surprised if you were happy with a $75 wide angle lens. These are generally the cheapo ones that Sony sells for their low end single CCD camcorders: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search I haven't tried that lens, but I did get one of their cheap telephotos that I found on sale for $20. Screwed it on the camera, found that sharp focus was impossible, tossed it in the trash can. Don't have personal experience with the high grade wide lens, but I do have their high grade telephoto and it's excellent. You get what you pay for... http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search But if you're interested in wide angle lenses, the topic has been beaten to death in this forum WRT to the PDX-10 which uses the same models: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=47438 http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=45338 http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=39271 http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=29139 http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=10273 http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=25739

March 14th, 2006, 04:58 PM	#112
Stephen Finton Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 344	Apparently I am confused. Frame Record mode on the HC1000 is only for stop motion animation. :(

March 17th, 2006, 10:31 AM	#113
Stu Holmes Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 844	Yep and i think i tried it myself a few months ago - it writes each frame to the memory card, so i think you can then use the frames later on in a software editor and concatenate them.

March 21st, 2006, 04:41 PM	#115
Stu Holmes Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 844	yep i just checked and you're right. Wonder why it records 6 frames. Or more accurately (as pwer manual) it says "approximately 6 frames". bit strange! i've used the interval record before but the minimum amount it wil record is0.5secs to the tape. That's not what i wanted. What i was wanting to do was do a "speeded-up clouds passing by". You know what i mean. didn't really work...

March 21st, 2006, 04:52 PM	#116
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,787	This same feature is there on other Sony cameras and isn't very useful. I think the idea behind saying that it records "approximately 6 frames" is due to the fact that it cycles the tape drive on and off, which isn't frame accurate. The interval record feature is OK for time lapse work over a period of hours (I used it to record the snow piling up during an 8 hour period, for example), but not very good for moving clouds in the sky. You're much better off to just shoot that in real time and speed up in post.