Difference of ProMist and SoftFX at DVinfo.net

Rich Rosen · August 26th, 2002, 07:10 AM

I think I read SoftFX was newer and does a better job of softening video. Anyone REALLY know? And what strength -
1/4, 1/2, etc. thanks,

Mike Rehmus · August 26th, 2002, 09:43 AM

I ignorantly purchased a 1 strength since what one person calls soft may not be what I call soft.

A 1 strength is fairly strong in my estimation. I'd GUESS that the 1/2 or 1/4 might be more appropriate.

However, once I received them, I wondered why I bought them. I can achieve the same effect in my NLE. A gausian blur should give the same effect and I can even mask it to work in very specific areas. A little work with contrast and brightness and I can emulate a Blackmist or other fancy filter.

So my filters stay in the case. I think they are important if one uses a linear editing system and these effects cannot easily be created.

The downside of filtering the video on the camera is that you remove an editing choice and perhaps, later, a different use for the clip. So I resist using filters at all except for lens protection (clear), polarizers, and neutral density.

Rich Rosen · August 26th, 2002, 07:54 PM

Mike:

Most pro shooters would say that filtering on camera is MUCH more effective than in post. But maybe that is changing.

Don Berube · August 26th, 2002, 11:38 PM

I like to use the Tiffen Warm Black Pro Mist 1/4 on the XL1S, usually with the UltraPol Polarizer.

The most popular filter is still the Black Pro Mist 1/2.

Not every shoot calls for a mist or diffusion filter, but it can certainly enhance a look when properly applied. A 1/4 value is a safe value to use with most any camera.

Don't forget that the XL1S and GL2 allow you to soften the sharpness, more like a Soft filter or Diffusion filter would. A Mist filter will also add some halation (or glowing effect) around any bright/ white objects in your image, such as lights or reflections. The amount of halation you will get is determined by the value of the Mist filter you decide to use.

Tiffen has some good examples on their web site (tiffen.com). Also, Ira Tiffen (who has won awards for his designs!) has a very comprehensive guide to filtration at http://www.tiffen.com/camera_filters.htm

- don

Mike Rehmus · August 27th, 2002, 09:01 AM

Rich,

You may be right and I certainly like the work I've seen. But I'm not certain, mainly because I haven't taken the time to do an A-B comparison, if the optical filter can be matched by NLE software filters.

What I would like is a black pro mist effect on skin tones only. Like the higher-end cameras that blur (light skin only, unfortunately) skin tones.

August 26th, 2002, 07:10 AM	#1
Rich Rosen New Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 23	Difference of ProMist and SoftFX I think I read SoftFX was newer and does a better job of softening video. Anyone REALLY know? And what strength - 1/4, 1/2, etc. thanks,

August 26th, 2002, 09:43 AM	#2
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	I ignorantly purchased a 1 strength since what one person calls soft may not be what I call soft. A 1 strength is fairly strong in my estimation. I'd GUESS that the 1/2 or 1/4 might be more appropriate. However, once I received them, I wondered why I bought them. I can achieve the same effect in my NLE. A gausian blur should give the same effect and I can even mask it to work in very specific areas. A little work with contrast and brightness and I can emulate a Blackmist or other fancy filter. So my filters stay in the case. I think they are important if one uses a linear editing system and these effects cannot easily be created. The downside of filtering the video on the camera is that you remove an editing choice and perhaps, later, a different use for the clip. So I resist using filters at all except for lens protection (clear), polarizers, and neutral density. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

August 26th, 2002, 11:38 PM	#4
Don Berube Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Boston, MA (travel frequently) Posts: 837	I like to use the Tiffen Warm Black Pro Mist 1/4 on the XL1S, usually with the UltraPol Polarizer. The most popular filter is still the Black Pro Mist 1/2. Not every shoot calls for a mist or diffusion filter, but it can certainly enhance a look when properly applied. A 1/4 value is a safe value to use with most any camera. Don't forget that the XL1S and GL2 allow you to soften the sharpness, more like a Soft filter or Diffusion filter would. A Mist filter will also add some halation (or glowing effect) around any bright/ white objects in your image, such as lights or reflections. The amount of halation you will get is determined by the value of the Mist filter you decide to use. Tiffen has some good examples on their web site (tiffen.com). Also, Ira Tiffen (who has won awards for his designs!) has a very comprehensive guide to filtration at http://www.tiffen.com/camera_filters.htm - don __________________ DONALD BERUBE - noisybrain. Productions, LLC Director Of Photography/ Producer/ Consultant http://noisybrain.com/donbio.html CREATE and NETWORK with http://www.bosfcpug.org and also http://fcpugnetwork.org

August 27th, 2002, 09:01 AM	#5
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Rich, You may be right and I certainly like the work I've seen. But I'm not certain, mainly because I haven't taken the time to do an A-B comparison, if the optical filter can be matched by NLE software filters. What I would like is a black pro mist effect on skin tones only. Like the higher-end cameras that blur (light skin only, unfortunately) skin tones. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

August 26th, 2002, 07:54 PM	#3
Rich Rosen New Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 23	Mike: Most pro shooters would say that filtering on camera is MUCH more effective than in post. But maybe that is changing.