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Barlow Elton December 1st, 2007 12:46 PM

That is just jawdropping in 720. Thank you very much for sharing that. :)

Steven Thomas December 1st, 2007 01:17 PM

Phil you have a great eye for this stuff.
I imagine it racks nicely.

Phil Bloom December 1st, 2007 02:09 PM

rails are a must. I use cinevate and also cavision

Barlow Elton December 1st, 2007 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christopher Barry (Post 785337)
I have to laugh at the expression on the guys face and walk, as he crosses the road with coffee in hand.

Maybe he had to pay for that coffee in dollars. ;)

Forrest Burger December 1st, 2007 02:22 PM

Great stuff, Phil. Thanks for spending so much time bringing this to us. It's very educational, and really fun to watch.

Forrest

Phil Bloom December 1st, 2007 03:19 PM

rails are a must. I use cinevate and also cavision

Steve Cahill December 1st, 2007 04:46 PM

Phil- have you tried the Brevis on the camera yet? If so any comments on the difference between the Letus and Brevis... Nice job, camera is really tack sharp!

Christopher Barry December 1st, 2007 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barlow Elton (Post 785525)
Maybe he had to pay for that coffee in dollars. ;)

Now in 720p, I can laugh some more!

Raymond Schlogel December 1st, 2007 05:59 PM

Phil, love the footage, have watched it twenty times. I've never used a 35mm adapter and would love a little more info and advice. Though it's out of the budget at the moment your vid has made me bound and determined to get the Letus35 Extreme. What I'm hoping is that you can help me put together more or less a shopping list of what I'll need with it, adapters, lenses, etc. You mention you use Cinevate and Cavision rails, which one would you suggest I go with? And is there a particular model or any extras I'll need for the EX1? Also can you give me some specifics on the lenses you used. Keep in mind this is all Greek to me. Would love to see a pic of your rig!

Sorry for the slew of questions, just enamored with the look you've achieved.

- Ray

Phil Bloom December 1st, 2007 06:14 PM

I will be shooting stuff with the brevis over next two days. My problem is the ex1 monitor is so sharp you hardly need a monitor. But my brevis doesn't have the flip

thanks raymond. Drop me an email and I will let you know what u need

Ray Bell December 1st, 2007 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Bloom (Post 785626)
I will be shooting stuff with the brevis over next two days. My problem is the ex1 monitor is so sharp you hardly need a monitor. But my brevis doesn't have the flip

thanks raymond. Drop me an email and I will let you know what u need


Hi Phil, you know your going to get lots of interest here on this...

you might as well put a shoping list on your blog... for the rest of us :-)

did you get to check out the samples of tilt and shift pics that I added to
my original post ???

Pavlos Symeon December 1st, 2007 07:30 PM

Great footage Phil, I am interested as Raymond is, into buying the letus extreme too an d I would appreciate your feedback as well. Hope this isn't much of a hassle to you so I will email you and if you could forward me the details about the equipment required for this setup I would greatly appreciate it.

Jason Bodnar December 1st, 2007 10:32 PM

Good call Ray! Phil, a shopping list for Letus and EX1 with Pics would be awsome on the blog when you have time... :)

Sean Seah December 1st, 2007 10:42 PM

great.. looking forward to the brevis footage. BTW, u r using FCP rite?

Jonas Nystrom December 2nd, 2007 05:58 AM

Hi. Great camera work there! Lovely footage.

What Do you think about the Letus Extreme compared to the XL (which I use) or HD100?
You don't have any pic's on the camera set up, EX1 and the Letus Extreme? What is the weight?

Steve Cahill December 2nd, 2007 08:30 AM

I was on the fence about which adapter, Brevis, or Letus, Called the Brevis folks and asked them when their flip would be available for shipping they stated in 2 weeks. I was going by Phil's 35mm shootout report ( well worth the read @ http://www.philipbloom.net/ note that the Letus is not included in the report) and thought the Brevis would offer a quick setup over the Letus, I have read the Letus attachment to the camera and adjustment screws is a bit awkward over @ http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/forumdisplay.php?f=113 also see the letus forum @ http://www.letusdirect.com/forum/ for more info about this. You have to give the Letus folks credit they were the first out with a Flip version. I am interested in Phil's report on the Brevis with the EX1 as he previously reported edge to edge sharpness issues with the HVX 200 which seems to be problematic with that camera with various users.

I placed a order with Brevis with the flip, and a XDCAM EX1 as well.
The EX1 is my replacement for the HVX200, (just following Phil's lead and agree with him). The 35mm adapters is a evolving technology in the DOF equation, and I am sure it will not be my last adapter, last camera, last computer as well along with the P&S mini I currently use. The equipment weight and travel leaves us looking for solutions that make it easier to capture images of high quality without the burden of heavy bulky equipment. My situation is I am a one person operation, lots of travel with the company I work for and the HVX200 was a solution for portability for travel in Europe and fit the clients needs for shooting and editing on location. Otherwise in the states, I use the XDCAM for production. I was dreaming that Sony would come out with a mini -XD camera system, (not liking all that data management with the cards). I guess it was, still is a dream.

Glad to hear Phil does not need a extra monitor and he was able to shoot in downtown London and hold focus with the EX1 lcd's monitor. Shooting with any of these adapters is really a challenge to keep focus never mind manage it . The DOF adapters can be a blessing and a curse, and Phil has demonstrated both slides.

Keep up the great work Phil!

Phil Bloom December 2nd, 2007 05:31 PM

8 Attachment(s)
I wanted to update my blog, but forgot to put ilife 08 on this macbook pro so until i get home on Wednesday I can't. But I will write about all the ups and downs.

In the meantime here are some screen grabs from today. All untouched from the camera and with no adaptor

Phil Bloom December 2nd, 2007 05:33 PM

8 Attachment(s)
last few grabs

Phil Bloom December 2nd, 2007 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Seah (Post 785702)
great.. looking forward to the brevis footage. BTW, u r using FCP rite?

yep fcp. Brevis will have to wait. I need a lot of spacers between the achromat and the adaptor. Dont have enought. Same problem i had with my F350. Letus doesnt have same problem and Brevis probably wont when it gets the flip. the optical path is way longer which is needed. The half inch chips make it harder to focus so close.

Serena Steuart December 2nd, 2007 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Bloom (Post 785626)
But my brevis doesn't have the flip

On the Z1 you can flip the LCD image using a magnet on the hinge of the LCD. I presume the same on the EX. Of course that is then a mirror image, but at least right way up.

Phil Bloom December 2nd, 2007 05:58 PM

Hi Serena, it's not actually about flipping the image, it's about increasing the length of the optical path so the ex1 can focus in on the screen. it currently can't unless you have a lot of spacers, which I dont have enough of with me. Annoying as I have a massive Peli case with all my lenses, two brevis adaptors, marshall monitor and it's all useless!!

Oh...and the magnet trick doesn't work on the EX1

Phil Bloom December 2nd, 2007 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray Bell (Post 785650)
Hi Phil, you know your going to get lots of interest here on this...

you might as well put a shoping list on your blog... for the rest of us :-)

did you get to check out the samples of tilt and shift pics that I added to
my original post ???

yeah. Can't wait for my hartblei. looks awesome!

so what do people want to know for this "shopping list"

Phil Bloom December 2nd, 2007 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonas Nystrom (Post 785771)
Hi. Great camera work there! Lovely footage.

What Do you think about the Letus Extreme compared to the XL (which I use) or HD100?
You don't have any pic's on the camera set up, EX1 and the Letus Extreme? What is the weight?

do you mean the ex1 compare to the xl or hd100? I have used neither of these camera. I do have an hd 201 which i think is lovely. Both those cameras really need a relay to work with the the letus as they will be stupidly front heavy!!!

Chris Hurd December 2nd, 2007 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pavlos Symeon (Post 785654)
Hope this isn't much of a hassle to you so I will email you and if you could forward me the details about the equipment required for this setup...

Please, the idea behind this site is to engage in *public* discussions so that *everyone* may benefit -- please do not be selfish and ask for private replies by email -- instead please post and reply here in *public* for the benefit of *everybody* who is interested in this. Many thanks in advance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ola Christoffersson (Post 785349)
"I have a 720p version that I have uploaded to the Dvi ftp server but just waiting on Chris Hurd to link it." Now - that I want to see! Where will we be able to find it once it´s linked?

Sorry for the delay. That link is http://www.dvinfo.net/media/sony/ex1_letus_720p.mp4 -- hope this helps,

Leonard Levy December 3rd, 2007 12:29 AM

Philip,
Thanks for your great work and for posting so much info.
I've looked at the Ex-1 and was extremely impressed, but the one I looked at had the vignetting problem . This would be a non-issue on an adapter but I am concerned about pans along sky or flat surfaces so i am waiting to see what Sony does.

Couple of questions-

1. Does your camera have the vignette and does it bother you?

2. I bought a Letus (also have a Brevis and an SGPro Rev2) and the image on my HVX is pretty well offset to the right so you have to zoom in more than I would like. This is likely an HVX issue , but I don't have it so bad on other adapters.
How centered is it on your Letus on the EX?

3. One thing that bugged me on the EX was that there were not 2 presets for 3200 and 5600. Is there some solution to this?

All I could find was to quickly go into the menus when I wanted to switch the preset color temp but it was a drag. On the other hand it gave me total freedom to make that preset anything I wanted which could be very powerful.

Sean Seah December 3rd, 2007 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Bloom (Post 786023)
yep fcp. Brevis will have to wait. I need a lot of spacers between the achromat and the adaptor. Dont have enought. Same problem i had with my F350. Letus doesnt have same problem and Brevis probably wont when it gets the flip. the optical path is way longer which is needed. The half inch chips make it harder to focus so close.

Thaz correct. My FX1 doesnt work well without spacers too and brevis folks have commented the flip module would solve this issue. Would be interesting to see the Letus EX and Brevis Flip trash it out with the EX1. Kudos to Phil for the great job here!

Jonas Nystrom December 3rd, 2007 04:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Bloom (Post 786060)
do you mean the ex1 compare to the xl or hd100? I have used neither of these camera. I do have an hd 201 which i think is lovely. Both those cameras really need a relay to work with the the letus as they will be stupidly front heavy!!!

Sorry, maybe I was indistinct. I meant if you had any comments on the LetusExtreme adapter, compared to the LetusXL adapter (or LetusHD100).

Craig Seeman December 3rd, 2007 08:41 AM

If you look at this shoot of the woman at the table
http://dvinfo.net/conf/attachment.ph...8&d=1196638250
The upper left of the frame grab looks like the vignette issue to me.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonard Levy (Post 786201)
Does your camera have the vignette and does it bother you?


Jonas Nystrom December 3rd, 2007 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig Seeman (Post 786374)
If you look at this shoot of the woman at the table
http://dvinfo.net/conf/attachment.ph...8&d=1196638250
The upper left of the frame grab looks like the vignette issue to me.

It shure is!

Piotr Wozniacki December 3rd, 2007 10:24 AM

It IS indeed; what's the still origin?

Also, judging from the noticeable barrel distorsion, it looks like a wide angle converter was used; can the author comment on this?

Craig Seeman December 3rd, 2007 10:32 AM

Phil Bloom posted it in this thread
http://dvinfo.net/conf/showpost.php?...9&postcount=57

Phil any thoughts on this?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki (Post 786434)
It IS indeed; what's the still origin?

Also, judging from the noticeable barrel distorsion, it looks like a wide angle converter was used; can the author comment on this?


Piotr Wozniacki December 3rd, 2007 10:55 AM

Thanks; I must have overlooked this:)

Frankly, the uppermost left image also seems to exhibit the vignetting in the upper left corner.

My worst premonitions I had when Paul first posted about the vignetting issue - that it probably is inherent, and affects all cameras - is becoming true... Holy s...t!

Craig Seeman December 3rd, 2007 11:06 AM

I don't want to turn this into a 2nd vignette thread so I'll continue discussion there.

Phil Bloom December 4th, 2007 03:42 PM

yeah, keep it in the vignette area.

It actually isn't a vignette. As I have the rushes and I know the lighting, It is a "lighting vignette" if you want. The spread of the light fell off there. It was at full wide with no wide angle adaptor.

Although I have since come across it using OIS at a certain focal length.

My website is down due to too much traffic but you can see the "Piccadilly Furs" short here: http://www.aerialsfilm.com/bloom/ex1%20letus%20720p.mp4

Matt Jeppsen December 4th, 2007 04:33 PM

Another mirror
 
With Philip's prior permission, here's another mirror of the clip.
It is indeed very striking work.

Edit: DOH. Mirror linkage fixed. My bad...

Vince Gaffney December 4th, 2007 04:46 PM

Phillip, aside from his obvious talent, has proven that all the over analysis is really meaningless when you see what can be achieved with this camera in the right hands.

his footage is really beautiful. pretty simple.

vince

Piotr Wozniacki December 5th, 2007 05:56 AM

Phil,

Like all the others, I've watched every single clip and still of yours - simply marvellous job. The camera you've used I will hopefully have soon, but the skills you have? - probably never. Congratualtions!

Phil Bloom December 7th, 2007 04:17 PM

Thanks guys.

my blog is updated and includes a link to the first edited short shot on the EX1 clean, with no adaptor. It's only 700x400 at the moment. I don't want to abuse Maxim's generous offer of hosting.

It's a very sweet piece about a protestant family on the Scottish Isle of Mull to run on Channel 5 on Christmas Eve.

Joseph H. Moore December 7th, 2007 04:55 PM

Phil,
You probably know this, but .mac has turned off the spigot on your site. too much of a good thing. ;-)

Phil Bloom December 7th, 2007 05:00 PM

spigot as in plug? It is working again... www.philipbloom.net only problem is when I moved servers I lost all my blog comments!


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