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Daniel Alexander · March 11th, 2008, 06:10 PM

I've posted a similar message before but didnt get any responce so im hoping this time someone will be able to help as this is a real problem for me right now.

Im trying to find the most acurate way to monitor my 25p footage when im editing as i feel my current setup is somehow wrong. Ok so heres what im doing right now...

1920 x1080 timeline in Sony Vegas 8 to edit my 25p hq footage which is outputted via firewire to a sony 1080i vtr deck which then feeds a composite output to my 14" SD jvc monitor. In my properites within vegas i have my deinterlace method set to OFF and use 32bit float with gamma at 2.222 and apply a computer to studio levels filter to my video track (i have to do this otherwise my smpte bars dont display the 3 verticle black and gray stripes at the bottom which indicates im not in the right colour space).

Ok so with this setup im thinking maybe the fact my vtr deck is only designed for 1080i hdv that it may be having an affect on how it is displaying my footage on my monitor, which by the way shows considerable amount of line twitter on straight edges. I was thinking that i may be better off buying a consumer hdtv to see exactly whats going on better seeing as im actually editing in HD and quite alot of colour manipulation. My work is usually printed to tape for broadcast or downconverted to DVD.

So is my VTR deck causing a problem? would i be better off with a hdmi connection to a hdtv? Knowing my scenario, what would you do?

Thanks, and this is critical to me right now so even a vague reply would be appreciated.

Benjamin Eckstein · March 11th, 2008, 06:16 PM

I didn't know you could even export the XDCAM format over firewire to an external monitor in realtim like you can with DV. Is this a Vegas thing, because I am pretty positive it cannot be done in FCP?

Daniel Alexander · March 11th, 2008, 06:22 PM

Yeh it works fine in terms of monitoring real time footage (well not so real time with vegas' preview monitor) but yeh once footage is on the timeline vegas will output it regardless of format to any monitor device attached. Im just worried that my chain of doing things is limiting my workflow and accuracy

Craig Seeman · March 11th, 2008, 06:51 PM

I've done it in FCP through my Sony DSR-11. Seems FCP will do a downconvert and out of firewire. It's not pretty but it really does work in FCP too.

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Originally Posted by Benjamin Eckstein

I didn't know you could even export the XDCAM format over firewire to an external monitor in realtim like you can with DV. Is this a Vegas thing, because I am pretty positive it cannot be done in FCP?

Michael H. Stevens · March 11th, 2008, 07:09 PM

I have as one my Vegas external monitor a 42" 1080p HDTV. You must calibrate the TV to the EX1 camera. Connect the EX1 to the TV via component and point it out the window. Then adjust the TV (and the LCD while you are at it) to best represent reality.

Daniel Alexander · March 11th, 2008, 07:33 PM

I havent considered doing that before, i suppose along with bars this is a very good idea. How does the 42" look when playing back the ex1 footage, are you ever subject to line twitter? Also what card are you using to output a 1920/1080 image to the hdtv?

Alister Chapman · March 12th, 2008, 02:25 AM

You could always get a decklink card. Depending on the card you'll get either HDMI or HDSDi/Component outputs.

Daniel Alexander · March 12th, 2008, 01:16 PM

is that what i'd need to get a full res image out of my computer to a hdtv then? I think i heard somewhere that different cards output different colour space, i.e. the nvidia cards output rgb colour space as opposed to yuv

March 11th, 2008, 06:10 PM	#1
Daniel Alexander Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: West Midlands, UK Posts: 320	What would you do... I've posted a similar message before but didnt get any responce so im hoping this time someone will be able to help as this is a real problem for me right now. Im trying to find the most acurate way to monitor my 25p footage when im editing as i feel my current setup is somehow wrong. Ok so heres what im doing right now... 1920 x1080 timeline in Sony Vegas 8 to edit my 25p hq footage which is outputted via firewire to a sony 1080i vtr deck which then feeds a composite output to my 14" SD jvc monitor. In my properites within vegas i have my deinterlace method set to OFF and use 32bit float with gamma at 2.222 and apply a computer to studio levels filter to my video track (i have to do this otherwise my smpte bars dont display the 3 verticle black and gray stripes at the bottom which indicates im not in the right colour space). Ok so with this setup im thinking maybe the fact my vtr deck is only designed for 1080i hdv that it may be having an affect on how it is displaying my footage on my monitor, which by the way shows considerable amount of line twitter on straight edges. I was thinking that i may be better off buying a consumer hdtv to see exactly whats going on better seeing as im actually editing in HD and quite alot of colour manipulation. My work is usually printed to tape for broadcast or downconverted to DVD. So is my VTR deck causing a problem? would i be better off with a hdmi connection to a hdtv? Knowing my scenario, what would you do? Thanks, and this is critical to me right now so even a vague reply would be appreciated.

March 12th, 2008, 02:25 AM	#7
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	You could always get a decklink card. Depending on the card you'll get either HDMI or HDSDi/Component outputs. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

March 11th, 2008, 06:16 PM	#2
Benjamin Eckstein Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 380 Images: 1	I didn't know you could even export the XDCAM format over firewire to an external monitor in realtim like you can with DV. Is this a Vegas thing, because I am pretty positive it cannot be done in FCP?

March 11th, 2008, 06:22 PM	#3
Daniel Alexander Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: West Midlands, UK Posts: 320	Yeh it works fine in terms of monitoring real time footage (well not so real time with vegas' preview monitor) but yeh once footage is on the timeline vegas will output it regardless of format to any monitor device attached. Im just worried that my chain of doing things is limiting my workflow and accuracy

March 11th, 2008, 07:09 PM	#5
Michael H. Stevens Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Palm Desert, California Posts: 311	I have as one my Vegas external monitor a 42" 1080p HDTV. You must calibrate the TV to the EX1 camera. Connect the EX1 to the TV via component and point it out the window. Then adjust the TV (and the LCD while you are at it) to best represent reality.

March 11th, 2008, 07:33 PM	#6
Daniel Alexander Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: West Midlands, UK Posts: 320	I havent considered doing that before, i suppose along with bars this is a very good idea. How does the 42" look when playing back the ex1 footage, are you ever subject to line twitter? Also what card are you using to output a 1920/1080 image to the hdtv?

March 12th, 2008, 01:16 PM	#8
Daniel Alexander Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: West Midlands, UK Posts: 320	is that what i'd need to get a full res image out of my computer to a hdtv then? I think i heard somewhere that different cards output different colour space, i.e. the nvidia cards output rgb colour space as opposed to yuv