Time Lapse Shooting Tips at DVinfo.net
DV Info Net

Go Back   DV Info Net > Sony XAVC / XDCAM / NXCAM / AVCHD / HDV / DV Camera Systems > Sony XDCAM EX Pro Handhelds
Register FAQ Today's Posts Buyer's Guides

Sony XDCAM EX Pro Handhelds
Sony PXW-Z280, Z190, X180 etc. (going back to EX3 & EX1) recording to SxS flash memory.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old April 14th, 2009, 03:35 PM   #1
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Tuscaloosa, Alabama
Posts: 69
Time Lapse Shooting Tips

Tomorrow I have to do a "day-to-night" time lapse shot of our downtown area.
My only real concern is the iris setting.
I plan to leave the iris manually set (a little hot) hoping to get a better transitional shot.
Once darkness is set I plan to re-set the iris to better pickup the traffic and town lights.
Then do a cross-fade in FCP to get the desired look.

Anyone have a better idea or suggestion.

Thanks,
Kevin Jones
Jones Media Productions
Kevin Wayne Jones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 14th, 2009, 04:31 PM   #2
Major Player
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: an Alaskan living in Des Moines, Iowa
Posts: 513
I struggle with that too. I did a night to day shot, tried it with the auto iris on, seemed to work pretty well. the other thing you have to worry about is your white balance. I tried auto on that as well, it seemed to work, but I was really skeptical about the constantly changing colors.
Ian Planchon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 14th, 2009, 06:04 PM   #3
Major Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Sonoma, CA
Posts: 336
I don't mean to hijack, but do you guys have any tips for a timelapse noob? I'm not familiar with the function on the EX1, so if you have any info (where the heck is the setting anyway?) or if you can direct me somewhere to info on starting out with this, that would be awesome!
Trevor Meeks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 14th, 2009, 07:00 PM   #4
Trustee
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Kennewick, WA
Posts: 1,124
Kevin: I'm not an expert, but why can't you "smoothly" adjust the iris as the light changes. You can see when the camera is recording a frame. You could just make the change in between frames. Right?

Trevor: The setting is located Menu>CAMERA SET>Interval Rec>Setting>On

Just mess with the Interval Time, don't mess with the Number of Frames. A good starting point is to shoot some clouds. Try a setting of 4-6 seconds. But be prepared to stand outside for quite a while. Say 15-30 minutes, depending on how long you want the clip. TIP: Press the TC/U-BIT/DURATION button on the camera (not in the MENU) and change it so you can see DURATION in your viewfinder. Then while you're recording your time lapse, you'll see just how long the actual finished footage will be. When you're done, just press the REC REVIEW button and you'll see your time lapse play in real time in the view finder.

For a great calculator on computing the length of time you'll have to record vs the end result of your recording, check out this link from Doug Jensen: Vortex Media's XDCAM Time Lapse Calculator

Just remember that if you press REC REVIEW and you don't see the clouds moving very fast, this means 1 or 2 things have happened:

1) The clouds weren't moving very fast that day (normally not an issue)
2) You didn't record long enough (normally this is the issue)

Good luck! :)
__________________
Sony EX3, Canon 5D MkII, Chrosziel Matte Box, Sachtler tripod, Steadicam Flyer, Mac Pro, Apple/Adobe software - 20 years as a local videographer/editor
Mitchell Lewis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 14th, 2009, 09:37 PM   #5
Major Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Sonoma, CA
Posts: 336
Mitchell, it's my understanding that you have to shoot 720p for these modes, is that correct? Seems like a bit of a drag :-(
Trevor Meeks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 15th, 2009, 07:50 AM   #6
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 173
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trevor Meeks View Post
Mitchell, it's my understanding that you have to shoot 720p for these modes, is that correct? Seems like a bit of a drag :-(
No you don't. I shoot all of my timelapse's at 1080 30p.
__________________
Justin
http://www.carlsonmedia.ca
Justin Carlson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 15th, 2009, 08:38 AM   #7
Major Player
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Moab, UT
Posts: 264
I've found that 4fps gives a nice motion for clouds.

You only need to go down to 720 when you're doing slo-mo, not "fast-mo".
__________________
www.packcreekproductions.com
EX3, Mac Pro, FCP
Mike Chandler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 15th, 2009, 09:10 AM   #8
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Cambridge UK
Posts: 2,853
EX1/3 Timelapse settings

And using Shutter OFF gives smoother motion at 1 fps at 1080p say for people milling around a town - an example linked below - almost all the shots in this were at these settings (or 720p 60fps for the slomo stuff). Also, I usually keep EVERYTHING on manual to avoid focus hunting/exposure variation with intermittent cloud cover etc. (you can always put the exposure on auto to find an area close to what you might want then flip it back to manual). It just depends what look you're after but as the OP has already suggested keeping the Iris a little hot should work well for the subject he's after (day to night).....Stuff I've done at 1 frame every 15 seconds has worked well for timelapse over many hours as the sun moves round.

Ely in August

As always, experiment 1st, then go with what looks best to you (when time allows!).

Good luck!
__________________
Andy K Wilkinson - https://www.shootingimage.co.uk
Cambridge (UK) Corporate Video Production
Andy Wilkinson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 15th, 2009, 09:40 AM   #9
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Tuscaloosa, Alabama
Posts: 69
Here's the camera set I will use...

Interval Recording (Time Lapse):

Go to Menu > Set Format to HQ 1080 30p > Go to Menu > Interval Rec > Set Interval Time to 1 sec - Set Number of Frames to 1 > Go to Menu > EX Slow Shutter > Set Number of Frames to 16 > Set Setting to On. (To exit turn Settings to Off)


kj
Kevin Wayne Jones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 15th, 2009, 10:10 AM   #10
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Wales UK
Posts: 121
why not just set 16 in interval recording
Matt San is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 15th, 2009, 11:08 AM   #11
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Tuscaloosa, Alabama
Posts: 69
To my way of think this should maximize the smoothness of the motion and give it a more fluid look.

kj
Kevin Wayne Jones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 16th, 2009, 05:13 AM   #12
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 63
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitchell Lewis View Post
Kevin: I'm not an expert, but why can't you "smoothly" adjust the iris as the light changes. You can see when the camera is recording a frame. You could just make the change in between frames. Right?
I have tried adjusting the iris by 1 stop during a time lapse and it is always visible when you replay the clip. . . .too obvious to be usable in my opinion.

Mark
Mark Sudfeldt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 16th, 2009, 10:56 AM   #13
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Tuscaloosa, Alabama
Posts: 69
Especially difficult if you are capturing 1 frame per second.

kj
Kevin Wayne Jones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 19th, 2009, 09:38 AM   #14
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 1,267
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Sudfeldt View Post
I have tried adjusting the iris by 1 stop during a time lapse and it is always visible when you replay the clip. . . .too obvious to be usable in my opinion.

Mark
Iris ramping during timelapse is pretty obvious if you adjust by whole stops. You ideally want to ramp at much smaller increments on the iris for each frame of the shot. Not sure if the iris control is that smooth. If you want the iris change to be smother think in terms of 1/8 of a stop. Also another tip can be to adjust the levels in post after the change where you can try and smooth the pedestal and gain over time.
Daniel Epstein is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY USA

Scan Computers Int. Ltd.
+44 0871-472-4747
Bolton, Lancashire UK


DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > Sony XAVC / XDCAM / NXCAM / AVCHD / HDV / DV Camera Systems > Sony XDCAM EX Pro Handhelds


 



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:51 AM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2024 The Digital Video Information Network