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February 1st, 2005, 01:58 PM
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Do you Hate Your Client?!
I've been sub-contracted to provide some 30 sec. PSAs for a website developer for the website client they are trying to get. They're trying to get a budget from so that they can bid on the project, so I said fine (he's a friend of a friend). I turned in my number and now he keeps chipping away and chipping away at it. He wants it to cost the bare bottom it can (regardless of quality) not so that he can bid low, but so that he can keep more for himself out of the bid. We still can't agree to anything on paper. My better business sense says I should get out now and leave him with his problems (and probably an unhappy client) but the reality is, I need the money. But if this job isn't over soon, I WILL KILL HIM WITH MY BARE HANDS!!!!
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February 1st, 2005, 02:20 PM
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Why don't you inform him that it is HIS client and if HE wants to get the job to make his client happy, he might consider cutting HIS mark-up! Delivering a poor quality product isn't going to win anyone any points.
Let him know what's involved and that YOU are doing him a favor. Because in actuality you could take the bid to them directly and cut him out completely, thus costing the client less. Yes, sometimes I do hate my client, but then, they aren't my client for long after that. |
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February 1st, 2005, 03:25 PM
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Long-term business relationships are rarely the genesis of such ill initial feelings. Good business relationships are anchored on trust and mutual respect, qualities that have already evaporated.
Use your "better business sense".
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February 3rd, 2005, 04:07 AM
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I totally agree with Ken.
When it comes to paying up, he will probably take 6 months to pay, if ever. Fits in the pattern. |
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February 3rd, 2005, 01:11 PM
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Regular Crew
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One of the most important lessons that I keep reminding myself of "ALL BUSINESS IS NOT GOOD BUSINESS"
Don't let your need for the business cloud your inner sense and thinking. If he's cutting you and you win the bid the work may not be profitable and then you worked for nothing and just as far behind financially. |
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February 4th, 2005, 12:00 PM
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If he doesn't respect your right to make a profit, then just say
'buh-bye' |
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February 6th, 2005, 01:08 PM
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Your instincts are correct. It might be worth having a "Come to Jesus" talk and if he still doesn't respect your pricing, move on. Be firm, but polite. The price is the price. If you don't want to pay for my services, that is fine. If you do hire me, that's what it costs, don't nickel and dime me to death.
It sucks having to turn down work, but saying "No" can be very liberating, don't be afraid of it. If you're not feeling good about it, and it sounds that way, say no. You'll both be happy you did.
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February 6th, 2005, 01:25 PM
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<<<-- Originally posted by Mark Sasahara : Your instincts are correct. It might be worth having a "Come to Jesus" talk and if he still doesn't respect your pricing, move on.
-->>> What the heck is a "Come to Jesus" talk???
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February 6th, 2005, 02:06 PM
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Obstreperous Rex
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You don't know what that is, Dylan? It's a reality check, "this is the way it's going to be," which is delivered in no uncertain terms, in a clear, concise and definitive manner, without padding, fluff or sugar-coating. I've received about as many from our volunteer forum moderators as I've had to give to them.
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February 6th, 2005, 10:48 PM
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Regular Crew
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Dude! What about us secular Jews? A "Come to Moshiach" talk?
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February 6th, 2005, 11:24 PM
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<<<-- Originally posted by Chris Hurd : You don't know what that is, Dylan? It's a reality check, -->>>
Ah, so that's what my parole officer meant when he said I'd better have a Come to Jesus talk, or go back inside.... Hrmph, that could have saved me 12-18 months....
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February 7th, 2005, 03:08 PM
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You want one of two things from a client:
1. Money 2. More business (from them directly or from referrals) Getting both is ideal. Sounds like you won't get much of either from this one. I'd quote a healthy price, and walk away. |
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February 7th, 2005, 03:16 PM
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I have what I call an "F-off quote".
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