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Pete Cofrancesco January 4th, 2021 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by John Nantz (Post 1963292)
Think of Mannix (TV circa 1970s, the private eye who lived in a trailer near the beach and wore a sport coat).

I'm not familiar with this show but sounds a lot like James Garner in The Rockford Files. Which came first? Come to think of it used the same setup for Mel Gibson in Lethal Weapon

Funny there's a whole private eye genre. Sort of died out a bit. But there are so many iterations. In my era we had Tom Selleck in Magnum PI but he traded in his sports coat for a Tiger's baseball cap, causal attire, and a red Ferrari. I'm still not sure how he was able to sneak around undetected in a flashy sports car. lol

Josh Bass January 4th, 2021 10:03 PM

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We need a new, modern, "gritty" PI show...one where each episode is just the guy sitting in his 30 year-old car, eating junk food, trying to get photos of a cheating husband, while arguing on the phone with his ex-wife about alimony payments and child support for their three kids.

And Selleck left the private investigatory life to go public and become police chief or commissioner or something, spending most of his time presiding over large family dinners with Wahlbergs. Until Blue Bloods was cancelled.

Pete Cofrancesco January 4th, 2021 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Bass (Post 1963294)
We need a new, modern, "gritty" PI show...one where each episode is just the guy sitting in his 30 year-old car, eating junk food, trying to get photos of a cheating husband, while arguing on the phone with his ex-wife about alimony payments and child support for their three kids.

And Selleck left the private investigatory life to go public and become police chief or commissioner or something, spending most of his time presiding over large family dinners with Wahlbergs. Until Blue Bloods was cancelled.

I always had a private chuckle that lackadaisical Hawaiian PI would one day become the respected commissioner for the NYPD

Josh Bass January 4th, 2021 10:18 PM

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Don't forget that period in between, probably during his midlife crisis, when he was a pediatrician who dated one of his former patients who was half his age, and hung out with her annoying 20-something Friends.

Pete Cofrancesco January 4th, 2021 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Bass (Post 1963296)
Don't forget that period in between, probably during his midlife crisis, when he was a pediatrician who dated one of his former patients who was half his age, and hung out with her annoying 20-something Friends.

I lost interest in him between islands.

Josh Bass January 4th, 2021 10:34 PM

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Badump ch!

Paul R Johnson January 5th, 2021 02:29 AM

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I’ve always thought British detectives as in real ones always look like policemen, whereas US ones just look normal.

Josh Bass January 5th, 2021 02:41 AM

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I have it on good authority they also say "What's all this, then?" a lot.

Paul R Johnson January 5th, 2021 06:21 AM

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No - it's "ello, ello, ello, What's all this, then?"

It's only recently they were encouraged to speak normally in court. For years there were stock phrases. The uniformed constable giving evidence in court would be asked a question by the wig wearing prosecution or defence barister. He or she would turn to the judge and ask" May I refer to my notes, M'lud?" They would be told yes, and would produce their pocket book - a small notebook, bound and numbered. They would open it and start by saying something like this. "On the evening concerned I was proceeding in a northerly direction in the performance of my duties when I saw the acused pick up a brick, and throw it through the greengrocers window. I arrested the accused and cautioned him. He replied saying "It's a fair cop, governor, but society is to blame". I then detained him and took him into custody." My father-in-law was a policeman and they really could speak like this. However, in the 70s we had some new quite violent Police drams on TV - Google "the sweeney" - Sweeny Todd, Flying Squad in Cockney Rhyming slang. They would throw the criminals down the apples and pairs (stairs) and sometimes they'd be brown bread (dead) or more likely just have a cut lip on their boat race (face). In the Sweeney, the favourite phrase was "you're nicked, you scroat" and embarassingly, people from the US were often septic tanks.

Josh Bass January 5th, 2021 10:21 AM

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Well many of us truly ARE septic tanks...

I just making a dumb joke but now thanks to you Ive learned something.

Boyd Ostroff January 5th, 2021 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by John Nantz (Post 1963292)
Think of Mannix (TV circa 1970s, the private eye who lived in a trailer near the beach and wore a sport coat).

That sure sounds like the Rockford Files to me. And don't forget the gold Firebird!

And Tom Selleck's latest gig is long commercials that push reverse mortgages to senior citizens. When the tag line of your commercial is "Look, a reverse mortgage isn't some kind of scheme to take away your house", then you know you have finally hit bottom. :-D

Pete Cofrancesco January 5th, 2021 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Boyd Ostroff (Post 1963304)
That sure sounds like the Rockford Files to me. And don't forget the gold Firebird!

And Tom Selleck's latest gig is long commercials that push reverse mortgages to senior citizens. When the tag line of your commercial is "Look, a reverse mortgage isn't some kind of scheme to take away your house", then you know you have finally hit bottom. :-D

That ad leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Does he really need the money that bad to be the spokesperson for predatory lending?

Speaking of BBC Private eyes, I really enjoyed "Case Histories" outstanding short series

Josh Bass January 5th, 2021 12:09 PM

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Probably not. Maybe he just loves to work,,.ANY work. Hes also an avocado farmer.

John Nantz January 5th, 2021 05:33 PM

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Hey Pete ---
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Originally Posted by Pete Cofrancesco (Post 1963293)
I'm not familiar with this show but sounds a lot like James Garner in The Rockford Files. Which came first? Come to think of it used the same setup for Mel Gibson in Lethal Weapon

You're right! It was James Garner. Don't know why I remember Mannix but there was some connection. It's been a long time ... (Mea Culpa: please give me a break)

Pete Cofrancesco January 5th, 2021 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Bass (Post 1963307)
Probably not. Maybe he just loves to work,,.ANY work. Hes also an avocado farmer.

He also grows mustaches

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Originally Posted by John Nantz (Post 1963309)
Hey Pete ---

You're right! It was James Garner. Don't know why I remember Mannix but there was some connection. It's been a long time ... (Mea Culpa: please give me a break)

That era is a little before my time. I only know Rockford Files from reruns.

Ryan Elder January 6th, 2021 02:17 PM

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Yes it's true that I am a long way off from the color grading process and from the shooting process. But I am making the storyboards and shot list now. In the storyboards on frameforge, it's all colorized already. Therefore, should I choose colors that will be closer to the final product to avoid confusion when I show the storyboards to a DP and PD for example?

Josh Bass January 6th, 2021 03:02 PM

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No. If your DP doesnt know the boards are at best a loose guide and thinks the colors in them are exactly how you intend the movie to look, that person is a braindead moron and should be fired immediately

Pete Cofrancesco January 6th, 2021 04:28 PM

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Ryan Elder January 20th, 2021 06:22 PM

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Well it was said before that I should am trying to emulate a look of movies that is too high budget and I should look to other low budget movies for inspiration. Are there any other microbudget movies to be inspired by where they do not have a color scheme in mind?

Every movie I watch almost seems to have one in mind, so are their any that do not then besides El Mariachi, where the movies are still good of course?

Paul R Johnson January 21st, 2021 06:34 AM

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Unless you have a good story and good actors - nobody will even notice your silly colour scheme ideas. You are spending time and money on storyboarding - this is really poor use of your funds, because all that effort to colourise a working document helps nobody at all!

Ryan Elder January 21st, 2021 07:05 PM

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Should I just draw out the storyboards with a pencil then?

Patrick Tracy January 21st, 2021 08:39 PM

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Sure, why not?

Pete Cofrancesco January 21st, 2021 10:01 PM

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I highly recommend the Ticonderoga Soft No. 2 Pencil. It feels good in the hand.

Josh Bass January 21st, 2021 10:07 PM

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Is there a demo of if? I dont know if I want to spend money on a pencil without trying it first.

Ryan Elder January 21st, 2021 10:08 PM

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Well it's just I want to attract possible funding and a DP, and I was told by two filmmakers that it makes a good impression if I have the storyboards ready to go in the plan I present. But if the drawings don't look good because they are drawn by me, I was worried it would make a more poor impression, and that every little bit helps.

Paul R Johnson January 22nd, 2021 02:35 AM

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How many times do we have to tell you that you must stop asking people, grow a set and learn to make decisions based on your gut.

You are also totally unable to read people properly, and often misinterpret totally what people actually say.

Do these people know you? Do they know how you confuse people? If they do, their advice is tempered by them trying to help you. Maybe they got confused by your verbal attempts to explain, so figured your only way to get an idea across is a picture, because you can’t do it well in speech?

You say good impression? To whom? Which of your available pool even know how to read a storyboard? The camera people mainly. I’m not really a mega capable camera person, but I can read anything from a scribble to a photo if, and only if, it contains enough info. My own view of storyboards, or longhand explanations, or 2D diagrams and plans is that they all work if they contain what people need so they don’t need to ask. The more questions they generate, the worse they were.

Ryan Elder January 22nd, 2021 10:12 AM

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Oh so you are saying if I make the storyboards in frameforge or something like that, they could raise more questions?

The people are just a couple of filmmakers I have helped with on their projects before.

Paul R Johnson January 22nd, 2021 10:29 AM

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No - not at all what I'm saying.

In fact if they are real filmmakers - then they would understand almost anything.

Ryan Elder January 22nd, 2021 10:51 AM

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Oh okay, but I thought that the storyboards clarity would be for the producers and funders sake, rather than the filmmakers, or so that's what they were telling me.

Pete Cofrancesco January 22nd, 2021 11:20 AM

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Storyboards aren't for fundraising. A funder isn't interested in that level of details. This type of production wouldn't attract investors. You'd be lucky to get friends, family and participants donating a small amount so they can be in a movie. Seriously be realistic this is a passion project and treat it as such. It's not going to make money, it's hey I made my own movie on a micro budget. You should try to curb your delusions of grandeur and set achievable goals.

Ryan Elder January 22nd, 2021 11:22 AM

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Oh okay, it's just that other filmmakers tell me to attract producers and investors, like they did for their scripts. Plus they are interested in helping me out with it they said, but if I don't try to attract more funding, they may loose interest perhaps, but not sure.

Brian Drysdale January 23rd, 2021 06:10 AM

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You don't need storyboards for getting funders and producers, unless you're going animation. Producers are interested in the script and the story because they know they'll be spending five years of their lives in the project, so they want to be interested the story and feel that they can get investors interested.

Investors want to know if there's a potential market for the film and what are the selling points to that market. The latter is the reason why they want to know which actors are attached.

The writer and the director have to be able to sell both themselves and the story to the above people in the pitch. There won't be time to look at storyboards during a pitching session of a live action project.

Don't confuse line producers and production managers with producers, they're different jobs. Real producers get the money and put together the deals.

Josh Bass January 23rd, 2021 06:39 AM

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So basically the stuff Ryan ignores/would rather not focus on is the stuff that would be needed to get him funding.

Ryan Elder January 23rd, 2021 04:42 PM

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Oh okay, I can just draw the storyboards out myself then, if that's best. It's just in my drawings, I suck at getting some details right, but perhaps it's not going to be too bad.

Paul R Johnson January 24th, 2021 04:39 AM

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You are treating storyboards as something they don't have to be. A 2019 movie had this one - works perfectly.

Ryan Elder January 27th, 2021 08:49 PM

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Oh okay, I can do that then, thanks :).


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