Best deinterlace plug or soft

Brad Richmond · September 3rd, 2003, 08:15 AM

I have been real happy with DVFilm Maker. It renders reasonably fast and also has options for grain, adding red for more of a film look, and adding letterbox. This program is available for both Mac and PC, I have it on both and it works well on each platform.

More info is available on their website: http://www.dvfilm.com/

You can download a demo and try it out.

BTW - The cost is about $100 bucks, quite inexpensive compared to some of the other products out there.

I am not associated with DVFilm in any way, I'm just a satisfied customer.

Alex Dunn · September 3rd, 2003, 12:03 PM

Brad,

I checked out that DVFilm site and it looks great, almost too good to be true. Do you have any samples of your before and after footage you can post, or at least the after?

Boyd Ostroff · September 3rd, 2003, 09:13 PM

I'm also a happy user of DVFilm Maker. Here are some frame grabs from footage processed with the program using the default de-interlace settings. They were shot with a PDX-10 in anamorphic 16:9, and the resulting 720x480 images were stretched to 854x480 in photoshop (click on the thumbnails to see full res images). The blowing dress and waves give you a good idea of what the program is capable of.

http://www.greenmist.com/trovatore/film/20030812

Actually, only the first 6 examples show the effect of DVFilm Maker. The bottom 2 frames (night scenes) were shot at 1/30 sec exposure, so the software has no effect on them.

The following were also processed with DVFilm Maker:

http://www.greenmist.com/trovatore/film/20030831

My only minor complaint is that the software doesn't recognize anamorphic 16:9 and just treats it like 4:3. This really doesn't change anything, but you have to set the anamorphic flag on the processed footage when you drop it into your NLE.

I'm running it on the Mac under OS 9.2. It will run in the background, however sometimes when I return to a background render I find the program has hung, which often requires a re-boot.

But I think it's a great tool for the price, and appreciate the fact that it works without After Effects, which I don't have :-)

Ken Tanaka · September 3rd, 2003, 10:53 PM

Those are some beautiful frames, Boyd.

Charles King · September 4th, 2003, 01:38 AM

Totallky agree. I think I'm going to get it. Thanks for the tip Boyd. You should do a short movie clip so we can see how it looks in motion.

Alex Dunn · September 4th, 2003, 07:51 AM

It seems to be a Mac users dream, and a PC users nightmare. The only compatible input format is AVI (DV type 2 compression) and the only output is a Quicktime.mov file.

I may be way off base, but isn't an MOV lesser quality than a dv compressed AVI file? Can mov be encoded to mpeg2 without quality loss?

Boyd Ostroff · September 4th, 2003, 10:12 AM

Thanks guys. I'll see about posting some short clips, but wonder how useful they will be in highly compressed/reduced size.

I'll confess total ignorance when it comes to PC's, but I think .MOV is just the quicktime suffix. QuickTime files can use any sort of compression that you like, as long as you've installed the needed codecs.

Brad Richmond · September 4th, 2003, 11:07 PM

Hi Alex,

<<<-- Originally posted by Alex Dunn : It seems to be a Mac users dream, and a PC users nightmare.-->>>

DVFilm is a dream with Mac and FCP, but still looks great when crunched with a PC. As I mentioned there are some workarounds, but in my opinion, it is still well worth it if you are seeking what I consider a much more pleasing look from "cold and hard" video.

<<<--The only compatible input format is AVI (DV type 2 compression) and the only output is a Quicktime.mov file.-->>>

If I remember right, don't quote me yet, but that isn't as big a problem as it might seem. Once you output the Quicktime.mov file, simply open MSP, import the .mov file, then drag it into your timeline. You will probably need to do a "smart check and convert" so go get a beer. Once that's done, then you can do whatever you need to do with it...export, print to tape, etc.

<<<--I may be way off base, but isn't an MOV lesser quality than a dv compressed AVI file? Can mov be encoded to mpeg2 without quality loss? -->>>

There are many on this forum who have more wisdom than I, but I believe that the .mov file that DVFilm produces is not a compressed file, but has all the necessary resolution to retain your original quality. I haven't noticed any loss when going from AVI (DV type 1 to DV type 2) to DVFilm (.mov) to (imported MSP to tape output). The final product has seemed, to me anyway, to have all of the information as the original.

I haven't done a conversion with my PC for awhile, but am quite willing to play around with it again and see if I can remember my exact workaround. At any rate, you might play around a bit and see if any of my suggestions help you get where you are heading.

I'll fiddle around some more and see if I can jog my synapses and remember exactly what workarounds I used to get a final product that I was happy with. DVFilm does produce a great look with the PC, it just takes a little extra effort to get there.

If anyone should find flaws in my logic or methods, I welcome your suggestions.

Bram Corstjens · September 5th, 2003, 08:17 AM

Guys, see my earlier post in this thread for comparisions: Copy the provided link into your browser and take a look at a LOT of example pictures of different de-interlacers :)

Ignacio Rodriguez · September 14th, 2003, 10:05 PM

The myth about QuickTime being low quality from a PC user's perspective actually makes a lot of sense, but is a myth nevertheless. It comes from QuickTime being used historically for highly compressed video with codecs like CinePak, Sorenson and now MPEG4. So PC users tend to think of QuickTime as something like RealVideo. But worry not: QuickTime files with DV encoded video retain all the information the DV codec can carry. Assuming the DV codec being used is good, the video will be good. The same thing goes for AVI, which is basically Microsoft's lousy imitation of QuickTime. AVI or QuickTime are a kind of file format, but the video contained in those files can be encoded with assorted codecs depending on the needs. Thus you can have a low bandwidth MPEG4 video which can be streamed through ADSL or a 10 bit per channel uncompressed video which needs a SCSI array to play back in realtime; both can be QuickTime or AVI files but the codec being used is the important thing.

September 3rd, 2003, 08:15 AM	#16
Brad Richmond Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Overland Park, KS Posts: 81	Deinterlace software I have been real happy with DVFilm Maker. It renders reasonably fast and also has options for grain, adding red for more of a film look, and adding letterbox. This program is available for both Mac and PC, I have it on both and it works well on each platform. More info is available on their website: http://www.dvfilm.com/ You can download a demo and try it out. BTW - The cost is about $100 bucks, quite inexpensive compared to some of the other products out there. I am not associated with DVFilm in any way, I'm just a satisfied customer. __________________ Brad Richmond Doubledogs Video Overland Park, KS www.doubledogsvideo.com video@doubledogs.com

September 3rd, 2003, 10:53 PM	#19
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Those are some beautiful frames, Boyd. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

September 4th, 2003, 01:38 AM	#20
Charles King Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 795	Totallky agree. I think I'm going to get it. Thanks for the tip Boyd. You should do a short movie clip so we can see how it looks in motion. __________________ Charles 'What we perceive to be may not be what we believe to be.'

September 4th, 2003, 11:07 PM	#23
Brad Richmond Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Overland Park, KS Posts: 81	Hi Alex, <<<-- Originally posted by Alex Dunn : It seems to be a Mac users dream, and a PC users nightmare.-->>> DVFilm is a dream with Mac and FCP, but still looks great when crunched with a PC. As I mentioned there are some workarounds, but in my opinion, it is still well worth it if you are seeking what I consider a much more pleasing look from "cold and hard" video. <<<--The only compatible input format is AVI (DV type 2 compression) and the only output is a Quicktime.mov file.-->>> If I remember right, don't quote me yet, but that isn't as big a problem as it might seem. Once you output the Quicktime.mov file, simply open MSP, import the .mov file, then drag it into your timeline. You will probably need to do a "smart check and convert" so go get a beer. Once that's done, then you can do whatever you need to do with it...export, print to tape, etc. <<<--I may be way off base, but isn't an MOV lesser quality than a dv compressed AVI file? Can mov be encoded to mpeg2 without quality loss? -->>> There are many on this forum who have more wisdom than I, but I believe that the .mov file that DVFilm produces is not a compressed file, but has all the necessary resolution to retain your original quality. I haven't noticed any loss when going from AVI (DV type 1 to DV type 2) to DVFilm (.mov) to (imported MSP to tape output). The final product has seemed, to me anyway, to have all of the information as the original. I haven't done a conversion with my PC for awhile, but am quite willing to play around with it again and see if I can remember my exact workaround. At any rate, you might play around a bit and see if any of my suggestions help you get where you are heading. I'll fiddle around some more and see if I can jog my synapses and remember exactly what workarounds I used to get a final product that I was happy with. DVFilm does produce a great look with the PC, it just takes a little extra effort to get there. If anyone should find flaws in my logic or methods, I welcome your suggestions. __________________ Brad Richmond Doubledogs Video Overland Park, KS www.doubledogsvideo.com video@doubledogs.com

September 14th, 2003, 10:05 PM	#25
Ignacio Rodriguez Contributor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 932	QuickTime myth The myth about QuickTime being low quality from a PC user's perspective actually makes a lot of sense, but is a myth nevertheless. It comes from QuickTime being used historically for highly compressed video with codecs like CinePak, Sorenson and now MPEG4. So PC users tend to think of QuickTime as something like RealVideo. But worry not: QuickTime files with DV encoded video retain all the information the DV codec can carry. Assuming the DV codec being used is good, the video will be good. The same thing goes for AVI, which is basically Microsoft's lousy imitation of QuickTime. AVI or QuickTime are a kind of file format, but the video contained in those files can be encoded with assorted codecs depending on the needs. Thus you can have a low bandwidth MPEG4 video which can be streamed through ADSL or a 10 bit per channel uncompressed video which needs a SCSI array to play back in realtime; both can be QuickTime or AVI files but the codec being used is the important thing. __________________ Ignacio Rodríguez in the third world. @micronauta on Twitter. Main hardware: brain, eyes, hands.

September 3rd, 2003, 12:03 PM	#17
Alex Dunn Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 202	Brad, I checked out that DVFilm site and it looks great, almost too good to be true. Do you have any samples of your before and after footage you can post, or at least the after?

September 3rd, 2003, 09:13 PM	#18
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,787	I'm also a happy user of DVFilm Maker. Here are some frame grabs from footage processed with the program using the default de-interlace settings. They were shot with a PDX-10 in anamorphic 16:9, and the resulting 720x480 images were stretched to 854x480 in photoshop (click on the thumbnails to see full res images). The blowing dress and waves give you a good idea of what the program is capable of. http://www.greenmist.com/trovatore/film/20030812 Actually, only the first 6 examples show the effect of DVFilm Maker. The bottom 2 frames (night scenes) were shot at 1/30 sec exposure, so the software has no effect on them. The following were also processed with DVFilm Maker: http://www.greenmist.com/trovatore/film/20030831 My only minor complaint is that the software doesn't recognize anamorphic 16:9 and just treats it like 4:3. This really doesn't change anything, but you have to set the anamorphic flag on the processed footage when you drop it into your NLE. I'm running it on the Mac under OS 9.2. It will run in the background, however sometimes when I return to a background render I find the program has hung, which often requires a re-boot. But I think it's a great tool for the price, and appreciate the fact that it works without After Effects, which I don't have :-)

September 4th, 2003, 07:51 AM	#21
Alex Dunn Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 202	It seems to be a Mac users dream, and a PC users nightmare. The only compatible input format is AVI (DV type 2 compression) and the only output is a Quicktime.mov file. I may be way off base, but isn't an MOV lesser quality than a dv compressed AVI file? Can mov be encoded to mpeg2 without quality loss?

September 4th, 2003, 10:12 AM	#22
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,787	Thanks guys. I'll see about posting some short clips, but wonder how useful they will be in highly compressed/reduced size. I'll confess total ignorance when it comes to PC's, but I think .MOV is just the quicktime suffix. QuickTime files can use any sort of compression that you like, as long as you've installed the needed codecs.

September 5th, 2003, 08:17 AM	#24
Bram Corstjens Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 126	Guys, see my earlier post in this thread for comparisions: Copy the provided link into your browser and take a look at a LOT of example pictures of different de-interlacers :)