24 fps and 30 fps Can You see the diff ? Check this at DVinfo.net

Anthony Tham · September 16th, 2006, 12:33 AM

hey i played around with thse video, 30fps down to 24.

http://www.sjsband.org/11111edit24.avi
http://www.sjsband.org/11111ori30.avi

is this what people meant by cinematic look ? the dreemy feeling . if oyu want more just ask :) will be glad to test more

Alex Thames · September 16th, 2006, 06:48 PM

24p is just the filmic frame rate. It gives a different temporaral feel. But your videos still look very video. The colors, for example, are a dead give-away. There are many other differences between film and video besides 24p.

William Hohauser · September 16th, 2006, 10:55 PM

Looks the same, almost. It's hard to tell the difference with web compressed files. The program was very flatly lighted which would give film a video look!

Cole McDonald · September 18th, 2006, 12:01 PM

yeah, I think the 24p thing is the last little (very little) piece in a very large puzzle. More of the filmlook happens in front and behind the camera than inside it.

Most importantly, how is your audience going to view your piece? On a 35mm film out? 24p will be much easier to transfer. On a monitor/DVD? they run at 60i, so 30p will look better there. You'll have to add pulldown to convert to 30p later anyway if you're not going to film out with it. Many transfer houses actually have their transfers setup for 60i too, so that all depends on how your film printing company wants the footage.

If you're specifically looking to increase the motion trails to give a more dreamy quality, then the shutter speed is the thing that does this part...the 24p is just a nice round number ( half ) when you're using a 1/48th second (180 degree) shutter. Due to the nature of digital, you can technically now fit a 1/48th second timeslice into a 1/30th second frame...you can do that and not worry about converting for distribution.

David Jimerson · October 3rd, 2006, 10:28 PM

"Better" is really an artistic concern . . . 24 fps movies shown on 60i TV look just fine, and as 24p on 60i TV employs the same pulldown scheme, the motion is exactly the same as 24 fps film. Now, if you want a smoother motion cadence, then 30p might be what you want -- but it will be different from 24 fps film.

Hollywood movies are all laid to DVD as 24p files -- shown on a 60i television, the DVD player adds pulldown to make it 60i for display. Using 24p video, you can make a 24p DVD and it will behave the same.

If you're planning to go to film, the last thing you want is 30p, because 30p makes for a lousy conversion -- there just aren't enough motion samples to make a smooth conversion to 24 fps.

September 16th, 2006, 12:33 AM	#1
Anthony Tham Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Malaysia Posts: 71	24 fps and 30 fps Can You see the diff ? Check this hey i played around with thse video, 30fps down to 24. http://www.sjsband.org/11111edit24.avi http://www.sjsband.org/11111ori30.avi is this what people meant by cinematic look ? the dreemy feeling . if oyu want more just ask :) will be glad to test more

September 16th, 2006, 10:55 PM	#3
William Hohauser Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 2,650	Looks the same, almost. It's hard to tell the difference with web compressed files. The program was very flatly lighted which would give film a video look! __________________ William Hohauser - New York City Producer/Edit/Camera/Animation

September 18th, 2006, 12:01 PM	#4
Cole McDonald Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN, USA Posts: 1,675	yeah, I think the 24p thing is the last little (very little) piece in a very large puzzle. More of the filmlook happens in front and behind the camera than inside it. Most importantly, how is your audience going to view your piece? On a 35mm film out? 24p will be much easier to transfer. On a monitor/DVD? they run at 60i, so 30p will look better there. You'll have to add pulldown to convert to 30p later anyway if you're not going to film out with it. Many transfer houses actually have their transfers setup for 60i too, so that all depends on how your film printing company wants the footage. If you're specifically looking to increase the motion trails to give a more dreamy quality, then the shutter speed is the thing that does this part...the 24p is just a nice round number ( half ) when you're using a 1/48th second (180 degree) shutter. Due to the nature of digital, you can technically now fit a 1/48th second timeslice into a 1/30th second frame...you can do that and not worry about converting for distribution. __________________ Web Youtube Facebook

October 3rd, 2006, 10:28 PM	#5
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	"Better" is really an artistic concern . . . 24 fps movies shown on 60i TV look just fine, and as 24p on 60i TV employs the same pulldown scheme, the motion is exactly the same as 24 fps film. Now, if you want a smoother motion cadence, then 30p might be what you want -- but it will be different from 24 fps film. Hollywood movies are all laid to DVD as 24p files -- shown on a 60i television, the DVD player adds pulldown to make it 60i for display. Using 24p video, you can make a 24p DVD and it will behave the same. If you're planning to go to film, the last thing you want is 30p, because 30p makes for a lousy conversion -- there just aren't enough motion samples to make a smooth conversion to 24 fps. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

September 16th, 2006, 06:48 PM	#2
Alex Thames Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York Posts: 508	24p is just the filmic frame rate. It gives a different temporaral feel. But your videos still look very video. The colors, for example, are a dead give-away. There are many other differences between film and video besides 24p.