Lilliput Monitor *IPS LED, 720P, 7in* $300-660

Josh Bass · March 30th, 2013, 02:47 PM

That is interesting, but all that info seems to apply to LCDs for computers (every step talks about OS and color management and video cards). Are we sure the same methodology applies to LCDs for video monitoring in the field? I've always seen DPs much more experienced than myself run typical bars, even with LCDs when on set. Now it's true that there are those ARIB bars (I believe the EX1 uses them?) vs the old school NTSC bars, but the principle is still basically the same.

Seth Bloombaum · March 30th, 2013, 05:07 PM

Received a 663 a couple days ago.

Haven't used it on a job yet, but can tell you that it has blue-only, and that I was able to adjust saturation and hue on camera bars using blue-only... the pluge seems workable as well.

So far I'm impressed with the little Lilliput. More testing to come. Unfortunately I don't have any studio work with a reference-level monitor scheduled right now for comparison.

Josh Bass · March 30th, 2013, 05:09 PM

Exciting stuff! If this turns out to be a reasonably accurate HD monitor that isn't $800+, that's pretty special.

Michael Desiderio · April 2nd, 2013, 03:08 PM

So can someone confirm whether feeding an HD signal to the BNC in will give an HD signal on the monitor? I don't have one yet and I'm trying to make sure the HD-SDI version isn't cosmetic + passthrough or something silly.

Also, the USB behind the power supply - does this provide 5v power when a device is plugged into it? I would like to use it to provide 5v for transmitting devices.

Seth Bloombaum · April 2nd, 2013, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Desiderio

So can someone confirm whether feeding an HD signal to the BNC in will give an HD signal on the monitor? I don't have one yet and I'm trying to make sure the HD-SDI version isn't cosmetic + passthrough or something silly.

Also, the USB behind the power supply - does this provide 5v power when a device is plugged into it? I would like to use it to provide 5v for transmitting devices.

No, I checked the various input connections of the 663/o/p (HDMI in/out with advanced functions version), and couldn't see an SDI source on any of them. As expected, really; all those BNCs are for analog source.

I don't have a way to check the micro-USB socket for 5v, but it really shouldn't. It's not a connector that one would find on a USB-Host device that would supply power, it's the connector you'd find on a mobile device or such. I'm guessing it's for firmware updates via USB.

Sorry... looks like if you want SDI you would have to spring for the 663/s version.

John Peterson · April 5th, 2013, 01:09 PM

I have been playing with the 663 o/p monitor and have a question regarding the pixel to pixel feature.

I have the setting at full screen and 1080i. If I turn on the pixel to pixel setting the screen only shows around 80% of what the camera sees (according to my LCD viewfinder). I have a Sony PMW-EX1 with the guide frame on the camera LCD set to 90%.

I called Lilliput and they told me that there is no way to get pixel to pixel full screen.

So my question is, what good is it? I thought it was supposed to be important.

Secondly, what do you have your own camera viewfinder guide frame and the Lilliput viewfinder guide frames respectively set to?

Thanks,

John

John Peterson · April 6th, 2013, 04:39 PM

I guess it is supposed to make it easier to focus because it doesn't scale, but on a 7 inch monitor does anyone find it helpful in that respect?

Panagiotis Raris said earlier in this thread that he leaves it in 1:1 mode all the time.

If you are still following this thread, how does one shoot like that without knowing what is in the camera's view?

John

Michael Desiderio · April 12th, 2013, 03:58 PM

So I have the 663 here in front of me and a 5D Mark II, but I cannot get video to it at all. The monitor seems to be working and getting video from other sources through HDMI, and the 5D is outputting video to other monitors through HDMI, but I cannot get HDMI from 5D to Lilliput

anything special I need to do?

edit: it is displaying properly with PS3, Canon C300. Not displaying properly from Paralinx Arrow (lots of green lines and dots flickering throughout the image) and no display at all from 5D Mark II (even with Magic Lantern forcing 480P)

bum monitor?

John Peterson · April 13th, 2013, 06:17 AM

Michael,

I don't own a DSLR but I did a little research and found this:

HDMI Output - Magic Lantern Firmware Wiki

Not sure if that has anything to do with the problem, but further down in the article they stated the following:

"the HDMI output from the Canon HDMI is limited to 1620x1080 (3:2) while the camera is not recording."

In other words the HDMI output is compressed on that camera.

Have you tried switching the monitor back and forth between "full" and "16:9" in the monitor menu?
Alternately you could try "pixel to pixel" to see if you get an image.

Have you tried another HDMI to Mini HDMI cable?

Have you tried another monitor (even an LCD TV) with an HDMI input?

If you bought it from Lilliput, have you called to speak to their tech?

John

Donald McPherson · April 13th, 2013, 06:52 AM

I have both t2i and t3i both work for me. Stupid question but have you enabled HDMI in Canon's menu.

Panagiotis Raris · April 14th, 2013, 01:42 AM

I spoke with Lilliput reps at NAB regarding the 1:1 garbled screen on exit and could not replicate it on their demo 663 O/P/S on display; I was told to return my unit directly for replacement. I brought the two ML T2i's I used it on, no problem on their units.

If anyone else has this issue, please contact them directly; I brought their attention to this thread as well. For the money, features, and price, they have some great products. I checked out some other companies, Ruige, Ikan, SmallHD, and two or three more brands with my T2i and I believe it's overall the best entry/client/reference monitor that I saw or used. I was hoping to post some pics of the 663 versus the VH8 and Manhattan HD089B and SmallHD DP7 but didn't have enough time and ManhattanLCD I do not believe was there.

The USB port is for firmware update only according to the reps I spoke with.

663 is HDMI in as Well as BNC component
663 O means HDMI in and out plus above features
663 O/P means peaking/false color/zebra more plus above features
663 O/P/S means SDI plus above features

John Peterson, is there a progressive display mode you could try? It works fine with 1080i cropped in or 1:1 on my Nikon D300; maybe an EX1 issue?

John Peterson · April 15th, 2013, 06:26 PM

John Peterson, is there a progressive display mode you could try? It works fine with 1080i cropped in or 1:1 on my Nikon D300; maybe an EX1 issue?
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Progressive mode on the camera, yes, but I shoot 60i interlaced because I shoot theatre productions mostly and 60i gives me the best light gathering ability.

Lilliput stated on the phone that full screen is not possible on the 663 in 1:1 (pixel to pixel) mode.

It will always be cropped. Are you saying that you are able to view pixel to pixel full screen from your Nikon?

Otherwise, how to you compose your shots if your viewfinder is always cropped by 1:1 mode? You said you leave it in that mode all the time.

Thanks,

John

Panagiotis Raris · April 16th, 2013, 02:41 PM

i normally use it to fine focus with older manual lenses; ill go check if its true 1:1 with the D300 and T2i's.

Kevin Duffey · May 5th, 2013, 09:35 PM

Just a note on the T2i/3i/4i/5i.. the HDMI is NOT compressed, it's just not full 1920x1080, it's cropped. The trick is to crop it further then resize it. I've not yet seen it since my dang HDMI output died on my T2i, hoping to get that fixed sooner than later.

I have the Ikan VH8 and it's pretty nice in terms of picture quality, love the 1600x768 res. I thought it was IPS which dismays me a bit, but it's really light and with a bit better sunshade than what it comes with, it does the job very well during daylight.

I believe it has the DSLR option to fit the truncated HDMI out to the full screen, but not for sure on that. I forgot what that option was but I think some monitors will automatically crop then resize for you so you could feed the output of the monitor to a Shuttle 2 for recording 1920x1080.

Michael Desiderio · May 8th, 2013, 12:02 AM

Our 663 came back from the shop today, after previously having arrived defective. They charge shipping back. At least it is fixed now.

March 30th, 2013, 02:47 PM	#46
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	*Re: Lilliput Monitor IPS LED, 720P, 7in* $300-660** That is interesting, but all that info seems to apply to LCDs for computers (every step talks about OS and color management and video cards). Are we sure the same methodology applies to LCDs for video monitoring in the field? I've always seen DPs much more experienced than myself run typical bars, even with LCDs when on set. Now it's true that there are those ARIB bars (I believe the EX1 uses them?) vs the old school NTSC bars, but the principle is still basically the same. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

March 30th, 2013, 05:07 PM	#47
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	*Re: Lilliput Monitor IPS LED, 720P, 7in* $300-660** Received a 663 a couple days ago. Haven't used it on a job yet, but can tell you that it has blue-only, and that I was able to adjust saturation and hue on camera bars using blue-only... the pluge seems workable as well. So far I'm impressed with the little Lilliput. More testing to come. Unfortunately I don't have any studio work with a reference-level monitor scheduled right now for comparison. __________________ 30 years of pro media production. Vegas user since 1.0. Webcaster since 1997. Freelancer since 2000. College instructor since 2001.

March 30th, 2013, 05:09 PM	#48
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	*Re: Lilliput Monitor IPS LED, 720P, 7in* $300-660** Exciting stuff! If this turns out to be a reasonably accurate HD monitor that isn't $800+, that's pretty special. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

April 2nd, 2013, 03:08 PM	#49
Michael Desiderio New Boot Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NYC Posts: 6	*Re: Lilliput Monitor IPS LED, 720P, 7in* $300-660** So can someone confirm whether feeding an HD signal to the BNC in will give an HD signal on the monitor? I don't have one yet and I'm trying to make sure the HD-SDI version isn't cosmetic + passthrough or something silly. Also, the USB behind the power supply - does this provide 5v power when a device is plugged into it? I would like to use it to provide 5v for transmitting devices.

April 5th, 2013, 01:09 PM	#51
John Peterson Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Monroe, NY Posts: 703	*Re: Lilliput Monitor IPS LED, 720P, 7in* $300-660** I have been playing with the 663 o/p monitor and have a question regarding the pixel to pixel feature. I have the setting at full screen and 1080i. If I turn on the pixel to pixel setting the screen only shows around 80% of what the camera sees (according to my LCD viewfinder). I have a Sony PMW-EX1 with the guide frame on the camera LCD set to 90%. I called Lilliput and they told me that there is no way to get pixel to pixel full screen. So my question is, what good is it? I thought it was supposed to be important. Secondly, what do you have your own camera viewfinder guide frame and the Lilliput viewfinder guide frames respectively set to? Thanks, John

April 6th, 2013, 04:39 PM	#52
John Peterson Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Monroe, NY Posts: 703	*Re: Lilliput Monitor IPS LED, 720P, 7in* $300-660** I guess it is supposed to make it easier to focus because it doesn't scale, but on a 7 inch monitor does anyone find it helpful in that respect? Panagiotis Raris said earlier in this thread that he leaves it in 1:1 mode all the time. If you are still following this thread, how does one shoot like that without knowing what is in the camera's view? John

April 12th, 2013, 03:58 PM	#53
Michael Desiderio New Boot Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NYC Posts: 6	*Re: Lilliput Monitor IPS LED, 720P, 7in* $300-660** So I have the 663 here in front of me and a 5D Mark II, but I cannot get video to it at all. The monitor seems to be working and getting video from other sources through HDMI, and the 5D is outputting video to other monitors through HDMI, but I cannot get HDMI from 5D to Lilliput anything special I need to do? edit: it is displaying properly with PS3, Canon C300. Not displaying properly from Paralinx Arrow (lots of green lines and dots flickering throughout the image) and no display at all from 5D Mark II (even with Magic Lantern forcing 480P) bum monitor? Last edited by Michael Desiderio; April 12th, 2013 at 04:32 PM.

April 13th, 2013, 06:17 AM	#54
John Peterson Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Monroe, NY Posts: 703	*Re: Lilliput Monitor IPS LED, 720P, 7in* $300-660** Michael, I don't own a DSLR but I did a little research and found this: HDMI Output - Magic Lantern Firmware Wiki Not sure if that has anything to do with the problem, but further down in the article they stated the following: "the HDMI output from the Canon HDMI is limited to 1620x1080 (3:2) while the camera is not recording." In other words the HDMI output is compressed on that camera. Have you tried switching the monitor back and forth between "full" and "16:9" in the monitor menu? Alternately you could try "pixel to pixel" to see if you get an image. Have you tried another HDMI to Mini HDMI cable? Have you tried another monitor (even an LCD TV) with an HDMI input? If you bought it from Lilliput, have you called to speak to their tech? John

April 13th, 2013, 06:52 AM	#55
Donald McPherson Major Player Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Aberdeen Scotland Posts: 815	*Re: Lilliput Monitor IPS LED, 720P, 7in* $300-660** I have both t2i and t3i both work for me. Stupid question but have you enabled HDMI in Canon's menu.

April 14th, 2013, 01:42 AM	#56
Panagiotis Raris Major Player Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Reading, PA USA and Athens, Greece Posts: 269	*Re: Lilliput Monitor IPS LED, 720P, 7in* $300-660** I spoke with Lilliput reps at NAB regarding the 1:1 garbled screen on exit and could not replicate it on their demo 663 O/P/S on display; I was told to return my unit directly for replacement. I brought the two ML T2i's I used it on, no problem on their units. If anyone else has this issue, please contact them directly; I brought their attention to this thread as well. For the money, features, and price, they have some great products. I checked out some other companies, Ruige, Ikan, SmallHD, and two or three more brands with my T2i and I believe it's overall the best entry/client/reference monitor that I saw or used. I was hoping to post some pics of the 663 versus the VH8 and Manhattan HD089B and SmallHD DP7 but didn't have enough time and ManhattanLCD I do not believe was there. The USB port is for firmware update only according to the reps I spoke with. 663 is HDMI in as Well as BNC component 663 O means HDMI in and out plus above features 663 O/P means peaking/false color/zebra more plus above features 663 O/P/S means SDI plus above features John Peterson, is there a progressive display mode you could try? It works fine with 1080i cropped in or 1:1 on my Nikon D300; maybe an EX1 issue?

April 15th, 2013, 06:26 PM	#57
John Peterson Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Monroe, NY Posts: 703	*Re: Lilliput Monitor IPS LED, 720P, 7in* $300-660** John Peterson, is there a progressive display mode you could try? It works fine with 1080i cropped in or 1:1 on my Nikon D300; maybe an EX1 issue? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Progressive mode on the camera, yes, but I shoot 60i interlaced because I shoot theatre productions mostly and 60i gives me the best light gathering ability. Lilliput stated on the phone that full screen is not possible on the 663 in 1:1 (pixel to pixel) mode. It will always be cropped. Are you saying that you are able to view pixel to pixel full screen from your Nikon? Otherwise, how to you compose your shots if your viewfinder is always cropped by 1:1 mode? You said you leave it in that mode all the time. Thanks, John

April 16th, 2013, 02:41 PM	#58
Panagiotis Raris Major Player Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Reading, PA USA and Athens, Greece Posts: 269	*Re: Lilliput Monitor IPS LED, 720P, 7in* $300-660** i normally use it to fine focus with older manual lenses; ill go check if its true 1:1 with the D300 and T2i's.

May 5th, 2013, 09:35 PM	#59
Kevin Duffey Major Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: California Posts: 206	*Re: Lilliput Monitor IPS LED, 720P, 7in* $300-660** Just a note on the T2i/3i/4i/5i.. the HDMI is NOT compressed, it's just not full 1920x1080, it's cropped. The trick is to crop it further then resize it. I've not yet seen it since my dang HDMI output died on my T2i, hoping to get that fixed sooner than later. I have the Ikan VH8 and it's pretty nice in terms of picture quality, love the 1600x768 res. I thought it was IPS which dismays me a bit, but it's really light and with a bit better sunshade than what it comes with, it does the job very well during daylight. I believe it has the DSLR option to fit the truncated HDMI out to the full screen, but not for sure on that. I forgot what that option was but I think some monitors will automatically crop then resize for you so you could feed the output of the monitor to a Shuttle 2 for recording 1920x1080.

May 8th, 2013, 12:02 AM	#60
Michael Desiderio New Boot Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NYC Posts: 6	*Re: Lilliput Monitor IPS LED, 720P, 7in* $300-660** Our 663 came back from the shop today, after previously having arrived defective. They charge shipping back. At least it is fixed now. Last edited by Michael Desiderio; May 8th, 2013 at 01:43 AM.