Our last SDE of the year at DVinfo.net

Patrick Moreau · November 25th, 2007, 11:53 AM

It is usually a great feeling to wrap up a season and have some time to rest and catch up on the backlog. Shooting our last SDE yesterday was actually a little dissapointing though as these are so much fun to challenge yourself to push each one further as well as being a part of something so powerful being shown.

Michael and I were determined to make the most out of our last SDE and I think it came out pretty well.

http://stillmotionblog.com/?p=276

Any comments/critique are always appreciated.

Patrick

John Moon · November 25th, 2007, 02:27 PM

Patrick:
I didn't see a dissapointing thing in this, especially for a SDE, but I know as an artist you always find something. Very well done. The flying shots fit the music quite well. I loved the creative shot with the baseballs and the rings.
John

Kenny Shem · November 26th, 2007, 02:47 AM

May I know what lens did u use on the Steadicam? It looks v wide, a fish eye lens?

Bruce S. Yarock · November 26th, 2007, 08:00 AM

Patrick,
Very nice. was everything with camera motion done with the steadtcam?
Bruce Yarock
www.yarock.com

Bruce S. Yarock · November 26th, 2007, 08:04 AM

patrick,
I forgot to ask...How many shooters at the ceremony?
Bruce S. Yarock
www.yarock.com

Patrick Moreau · November 26th, 2007, 09:26 AM

Thanks guys.

I used a raynox fisheye on the A1 for those really wide shots. Michael shot a lot of the moving footage (groom and photosession) with a merlin. Everything else was glidecam actually- the steadicam stayed at home that day since I was shooting and editing and I wanted to use the 35 adapter too.

2 videographers at the ceremony, 1 photographer.

Patrick

Bruce S. Yarock · November 26th, 2007, 09:36 AM

patrick,
Is the "Merlin" a sled only rig, or does it also use a vest and arm?
You say "the steadicam stayed at home that day since I was shooting and editing and I wanted to use the 35 adapter too". Could you explain why one rig is easier or more flexible than another, and how it figure into that application?
Bruce S. yarock
www.yarock.com

Patrick Moreau · November 26th, 2007, 09:41 AM

Bruce,

I would prefer not to sidetrack the thread and make it purely about stabilizers. Your welcome to contact me directly or start another thread and I will be happy to respond, but once these things get sidetracked, they don't come back.

Thanks

Patrick

Matt Duke · November 28th, 2007, 06:50 AM

That was amazing.

How long did that take you to edit on the day? There is so much detail involved in it.

I reckon after seeing that you would have had everyone in the room speechless. Well done!!!!

Kenny Shem · November 28th, 2007, 08:17 AM

Good job. However I notice at around time 3:17 during the ceremony, the groom's head was cut and had no room on top.
The opening shot of the gown is great. Good use of brevis and filters.
You've mentioned this is a SDE, how come there are shots of the dinner reception? Isn't this SDE supposed to be played during the reception?

Patrick Moreau · November 28th, 2007, 08:22 AM

Matt, I hade about 2.5 hours of straight editing to do, then I got another 30-40 scattered minutes here and there. There is a ton of etail involved, especially when you start doing extensive color work on all your shots and trying to get some voice overs in there.

Everyone was quite shocked when they saw it. We opened with a love story which really just added to the impct.

Patrick Moreau · November 28th, 2007, 08:28 AM

Hi Kenny,

I noticed the framing too and mentioned it to Michael. I think he just held the shot, even though it was abit off, since I was moving the second cam and our only other angle was way too far away to cut to during the vows.

I really enjoy all the ring shots in this piece myself. The opening shots with the rings on the dress really only came to life after the color correction. I almost cut the shot as it was so flat otherwise.

This is an SDE, and we did show it at the reception. Couples around here often do their introduction to the reception and then go straight into their first dance. I then imported 2 min from each cam, threw it into the spaces I left in the timeline, did color work and exported everything to show. It was rather rushed, and I don't always put reception clips into an SDE as I don't think it adds as much since the guests saw all those events just recently but it worked here I think.

Patrick

Kenny Shem · November 28th, 2007, 08:39 AM

Patrick,

just as I guessed! In my mind the only way to include the reception shot is to plan in advance and leave an empty space in the timeline. The single biggest consideration is the rendering time. How long does it takes you to render this clip on the spot during the dinner, considering all the color correction and filters thrown in. It could take ages you know. Did you have another clip ready (without reception shot) in case you failed to render on time.

Luckily you didn't throw away the opening shot. To me, that is the best shot throughout the whole SDE. It gave me this surreal feel.

Kenny

Patrick Moreau · November 28th, 2007, 08:44 AM

Kenny,

I'm glad I kept that ring shot in too and gave it chance with the color work.

I didn't have abackup ready, but I know my machine pretty well, so I was comfortable with timing. Rendering took about 12-15 minutes for the 4 minutes clip. Making a DVD files took another 4 min.

Patrick

November 25th, 2007, 11:53 AM	#1
Patrick Moreau Still Motion Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,186	Our last SDE of the year It is usually a great feeling to wrap up a season and have some time to rest and catch up on the backlog. Shooting our last SDE yesterday was actually a little dissapointing though as these are so much fun to challenge yourself to push each one further as well as being a part of something so powerful being shown. Michael and I were determined to make the most out of our last SDE and I think it came out pretty well. http://stillmotionblog.com/?p=276 Any comments/critique are always appreciated. Patrick

November 25th, 2007, 02:27 PM	#2
John Moon Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 446	Patrick: I didn't see a dissapointing thing in this, especially for a SDE, but I know as an artist you always find something. Very well done. The flying shots fit the music quite well. I loved the creative shot with the baseballs and the rings. John __________________ John J. Moon www.northernlightfilmworks.com - Event DV Top 25 Recipient

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November 26th, 2007, 02:47 AM	#3
Kenny Shem Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 163	May I know what lens did u use on the Steadicam? It looks v wide, a fish eye lens?

November 26th, 2007, 08:00 AM	#4
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	Patrick, Very nice. was everything with camera motion done with the steadtcam? Bruce Yarock www.yarock.com

November 26th, 2007, 08:04 AM	#5
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	patrick, I forgot to ask...How many shooters at the ceremony? Bruce S. Yarock www.yarock.com

November 26th, 2007, 09:26 AM	#6
Patrick Moreau Still Motion Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,186	Thanks guys. I used a raynox fisheye on the A1 for those really wide shots. Michael shot a lot of the moving footage (groom and photosession) with a merlin. Everything else was glidecam actually- the steadicam stayed at home that day since I was shooting and editing and I wanted to use the 35 adapter too. 2 videographers at the ceremony, 1 photographer. Patrick

November 26th, 2007, 09:36 AM	#7
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	patrick, Is the "Merlin" a sled only rig, or does it also use a vest and arm? You say "the steadicam stayed at home that day since I was shooting and editing and I wanted to use the 35 adapter too". Could you explain why one rig is easier or more flexible than another, and how it figure into that application? Bruce S. yarock www.yarock.com

November 26th, 2007, 09:41 AM	#8
Patrick Moreau Still Motion Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,186	Bruce, I would prefer not to sidetrack the thread and make it purely about stabilizers. Your welcome to contact me directly or start another thread and I will be happy to respond, but once these things get sidetracked, they don't come back. Thanks Patrick

November 28th, 2007, 06:50 AM	#9
Matt Duke Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 69	That was amazing. How long did that take you to edit on the day? There is so much detail involved in it. I reckon after seeing that you would have had everyone in the room speechless. Well done!!!!

November 28th, 2007, 08:17 AM	#10
Kenny Shem Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 163	Good job. However I notice at around time 3:17 during the ceremony, the groom's head was cut and had no room on top. The opening shot of the gown is great. Good use of brevis and filters. You've mentioned this is a SDE, how come there are shots of the dinner reception? Isn't this SDE supposed to be played during the reception?

November 28th, 2007, 08:22 AM	#11
Patrick Moreau Still Motion Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,186	Matt, I hade about 2.5 hours of straight editing to do, then I got another 30-40 scattered minutes here and there. There is a ton of etail involved, especially when you start doing extensive color work on all your shots and trying to get some voice overs in there. Everyone was quite shocked when they saw it. We opened with a love story which really just added to the impct.

November 28th, 2007, 08:28 AM	#12
Patrick Moreau Still Motion Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,186	Hi Kenny, I noticed the framing too and mentioned it to Michael. I think he just held the shot, even though it was abit off, since I was moving the second cam and our only other angle was way too far away to cut to during the vows. I really enjoy all the ring shots in this piece myself. The opening shots with the rings on the dress really only came to life after the color correction. I almost cut the shot as it was so flat otherwise. This is an SDE, and we did show it at the reception. Couples around here often do their introduction to the reception and then go straight into their first dance. I then imported 2 min from each cam, threw it into the spaces I left in the timeline, did color work and exported everything to show. It was rather rushed, and I don't always put reception clips into an SDE as I don't think it adds as much since the guests saw all those events just recently but it worked here I think. Patrick

November 28th, 2007, 08:39 AM	#13
Kenny Shem Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 163	Patrick, just as I guessed! In my mind the only way to include the reception shot is to plan in advance and leave an empty space in the timeline. The single biggest consideration is the rendering time. How long does it takes you to render this clip on the spot during the dinner, considering all the color correction and filters thrown in. It could take ages you know. Did you have another clip ready (without reception shot) in case you failed to render on time. Luckily you didn't throw away the opening shot. To me, that is the best shot throughout the whole SDE. It gave me this surreal feel. Kenny

November 28th, 2007, 08:44 AM	#14
Patrick Moreau Still Motion Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,186	Kenny, I'm glad I kept that ring shot in too and gave it chance with the color work. I didn't have abackup ready, but I know my machine pretty well, so I was comfortable with timing. Rendering took about 12-15 minutes for the 4 minutes clip. Making a DVD files took another 4 min. Patrick