What do you think this INCREDIBLE wedding video is worth? at DVinfo.net

Silas Barker · January 27th, 2010, 04:52 AM

Heres the link:
Silas's Videography | View Video | 916-949-9040

Imagine this full length (this is a trailer) and just a quick background it was a 10 hour wedding. What do you think the actual video would be worth in California?

Thanks in advance for comments!

Tom Hardwick · January 27th, 2010, 10:11 AM

I don't understand the question. What's the wedding worth? To me? Sweet nothing. What's the film worth? Ditto. Maybe you mean what did the film cost the couple - or do you mean what did the wedding day cost them.

Marty Welk · January 27th, 2010, 10:28 AM

lol

hey Silas at least More than YOU charged em. :-) knowing your prices.

Mike Wade · January 27th, 2010, 01:16 PM

Well Tom it's actually a very nice trailer. Looks like it was shot on an EX1 with Steadycam type shots...so I'll join in Silas's odd little game and say $3000 ?

Cheers

Silas Barker · January 27th, 2010, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Welk

lol

hey Silas at least More than YOU charged em. :-) knowing your prices.

LOL, well I am trying to fix that, thats why I posted this thread...
it was 2 a 2 Cam shoot (Z1 and Fx7) with glidecam.

I think the trailer really rocks and I love it hahaha

Silas Barker · January 27th, 2010, 01:36 PM

Thanks guys....
Z1 and Fx7 Cams
Glidecam and pro tripods

Just wondering what something like this would be worth to the bride and groom?
(She actually told me shes watched that trailer like a 100 times hahahaha)

Dave Blackhurst · January 27th, 2010, 03:55 PM

I commented on your other thread - your rates are definitely on the low side, your work looks excellent, and you probably should spend a little time doing a business plan, evaluating your costs, $/hr. and where you want to be business wise.

And if you see James (the groom) tell him I said hi! Old friend from the Sac music scene!

Silas Barker · January 27th, 2010, 03:57 PM

Wow!
I will!
Small world!
His wedding is my best sample I think so far!
I have a number of other ones but James and Venessa were so cool that on the day everything was sweet - not to mention they are a hot couple!

I'll take your advice and work on prices. Thanks for the helpful info.
Wedding & Corporate Video, Sacramento, Roseville, Folsom, Rocklin

Dave Blackhurst · January 27th, 2010, 04:04 PM

Yeah, I'm sure that was a great wedding! James still looks the same way he did 10 years ago!

I've noted from your posts you're trying to feel out your pricing... you probably should check out some of the threads in "taking care of business" here on DVi - there are some good postings on how to calculate your pricing.

DON'T worry about your age, if you can deliver the goods you could barely be old enough to shave nowadays - if you've got the chops/talent, you charge what that is worth, and build your reputation/business. No one is going to know from your trailers/web site how old you are. Dress and act professionally when actually meeting clients and pretend you look young for your age!

Silas Barker · January 27th, 2010, 04:08 PM

Thanks for that!
I do dress and act professional, but I know when I am getting "the look" its time to be tough even though I am young.

Is there a link to that thread?
I'll look for that.

Thanks!
Silas
Wedding & Corporate Video, Sacramento, Roseville, Folsom, Rocklin

Dave Blackhurst · January 27th, 2010, 04:20 PM

It's actually a whole section of the DVi forum, next section down if you go to the "root" and scroll down. Lots of good info there from a business standpoint. You'll probably want to do some of your own research - it's always tough balancing the "business" side in a creative business, but you'll get the hang of it.

If you're doing something you love and are good at, you'll make out fine (presuming you get your rates to where you can maintain the lifestyle you wish to become accustomed to!). Being in biz for oneself is tough, but it beats going in one day to a job you hate, but you do it because you've got to pay the bills... and getting pink-slipped. And that can happen whether you're 20 or 50 nowadays. Just be sure to take some time to build your "business knowledge" alongside your talent/creative side so you don't undervalue yourself.

David Nibeck · January 27th, 2010, 04:51 PM

Nice video! Is it just my computer or is there a lip sync problem at the 1:25 mark?

I am not a videographer, but I am a wedding DJ. Your Gold package is close to my going rate. I put in around 8-10 hours for a 4 hour reception. I am not sure how many hours you put in but would guess it was considerably more than that. And here I have been thinking you guys made the big bucks!

Rates are always an interesting discussion. It was not until I got away from letting market/competition excuses drive my rate that I started to earn what I was worth. Don't get me wrong, understanding your market is important.

The advise given is spot on. Start with a solid written business plan. Set goals. Measure to those goals. You can always adjust as needed. Understand your true costs (cameras, equipment, insurance, marketing,TIME). Please note that time means everything from initial and fwp client meetings, time on the job itself, and post. I am not sure if you attend training or conventions, but I load that into my annual expenses that I expect to recoup (and DJ conventions are fun!).

Since I raised my rates, my work fell about 50% but my profits more than doubled. This meant more time for my family and myself. Remember, not everyone is your client.

You ask what it is worth to the couple. I am not sure how anyone could answer that question. The real question is did you charge what you are worth? If so, great! If not, how are you going to modify your business to make it so?

It's interesting to see the similarities between our two industries.

I hope I did not offend you and I sincerely liked the video. I hope one day to shot/produce to that level.

Silas Barker · January 27th, 2010, 05:31 PM

Thank you, thank you!
I know about the off sync sound, and your the first who's caught that - I actually was using the voiceover over the video shots and it just so happened to be close enough to where it looks like a lip sync thing off but I knew about it LOL.

Glad you liked it.....take a look at some of my other videos too if you like!

Wedding & Corporate Video, Sacramento, Roseville, Folsom, Rocklin

Alec Moreno · January 27th, 2010, 09:41 PM

Okay, I'll play too. (I haven't seen your prices.) $1,700 plus tax?

Alec Moreno
http://www.1Day1ShotProductions.com

Ethan Cooper · January 27th, 2010, 10:00 PM

Silas - I don't know anything about your market, so I won't speculate on the wedding prices but I'd like to offer my $.02 on your corp/commercial pricing. I've never seen package pricing on professional (non-wedding) jobs, it's usually an hourly rate and you build a quote off that rate after speaking to the client about what they're looking for. I really don't think you're going about the corp/commercial thing the right way and you're seriously underselling yourself there.

January 27th, 2010, 04:52 AM	#1
Silas Barker Major Player Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sacramento, California Posts: 577	What do you think this INCREDIBLE wedding video is worth? Heres the link: Silas's Videography \| View Video \| 916-949-9040 Imagine this full length (this is a trailer) and just a quick background it was a 10 hour wedding. What do you think the actual video would be worth in California? Thanks in advance for comments!

January 27th, 2010, 10:28 AM	#3
Marty Welk Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: East Bay Cali Posts: 563	lol hey Silas at least More than YOU charged em. :-) knowing your prices. __________________ ----------------sig----------------- Re-learning everything all over again, one more time.

January 27th, 2010, 01:16 PM	#4
Mike Wade Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 161	Well Tom it's actually a very nice trailer. Looks like it was shot on an EX1 with Steadycam type shots...so I'll join in Silas's odd little game and say $3000 ? Cheers __________________ Premiere CS5, EX1, 2xFX1,SonyA1,GlideTrack.

January 27th, 2010, 10:00 PM	#15
Ethan Cooper Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 1,400 Images: 5	Silas - I don't know anything about your market, so I won't speculate on the wedding prices but I'd like to offer my $.02 on your corp/commercial pricing. I've never seen package pricing on professional (non-wedding) jobs, it's usually an hourly rate and you build a quote off that rate after speaking to the client about what they're looking for. I really don't think you're going about the corp/commercial thing the right way and you're seriously underselling yourself there. __________________ ∅ -Ethan Cooper

January 27th, 2010, 10:11 AM	#2
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	I don't understand the question. What's the wedding worth? To me? Sweet nothing. What's the film worth? Ditto. Maybe you mean what did the film cost the couple - or do you mean what did the wedding day cost them.

January 27th, 2010, 01:36 PM	#6
Silas Barker Major Player Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sacramento, California Posts: 577	Thanks guys.... Z1 and Fx7 Cams Glidecam and pro tripods Just wondering what something like this would be worth to the bride and groom? (She actually told me shes watched that trailer like a 100 times hahahaha)

January 27th, 2010, 03:55 PM	#7
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	I commented on your other thread - your rates are definitely on the low side, your work looks excellent, and you probably should spend a little time doing a business plan, evaluating your costs, $/hr. and where you want to be business wise. And if you see James (the groom) tell him I said hi! Old friend from the Sac music scene!

January 27th, 2010, 03:57 PM	#8
Silas Barker Major Player Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sacramento, California Posts: 577	Wow! I will! Small world! His wedding is my best sample I think so far! I have a number of other ones but James and Venessa were so cool that on the day everything was sweet - not to mention they are a hot couple! I'll take your advice and work on prices. Thanks for the helpful info. Wedding & Corporate Video, Sacramento, Roseville, Folsom, Rocklin

January 27th, 2010, 04:04 PM	#9
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	Yeah, I'm sure that was a great wedding! James still looks the same way he did 10 years ago! I've noted from your posts you're trying to feel out your pricing... you probably should check out some of the threads in "taking care of business" here on DVi - there are some good postings on how to calculate your pricing. DON'T worry about your age, if you can deliver the goods you could barely be old enough to shave nowadays - if you've got the chops/talent, you charge what that is worth, and build your reputation/business. No one is going to know from your trailers/web site how old you are. Dress and act professionally when actually meeting clients and pretend you look young for your age!

January 27th, 2010, 04:08 PM	#10
Silas Barker Major Player Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sacramento, California Posts: 577	Thanks for that! I do dress and act professional, but I know when I am getting "the look" its time to be tough even though I am young. Is there a link to that thread? I'll look for that. Thanks! Silas Wedding & Corporate Video, Sacramento, Roseville, Folsom, Rocklin

January 27th, 2010, 04:20 PM	#11
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	It's actually a whole section of the DVi forum, next section down if you go to the "root" and scroll down. Lots of good info there from a business standpoint. You'll probably want to do some of your own research - it's always tough balancing the "business" side in a creative business, but you'll get the hang of it. If you're doing something you love and are good at, you'll make out fine (presuming you get your rates to where you can maintain the lifestyle you wish to become accustomed to!). Being in biz for oneself is tough, but it beats going in one day to a job you hate, but you do it because you've got to pay the bills... and getting pink-slipped. And that can happen whether you're 20 or 50 nowadays. Just be sure to take some time to build your "business knowledge" alongside your talent/creative side so you don't undervalue yourself.

January 27th, 2010, 04:51 PM	#12
David Nibeck New Boot Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Annapolis MD Posts: 5	Nice video! Is it just my computer or is there a lip sync problem at the 1:25 mark? I am not a videographer, but I am a wedding DJ. Your Gold package is close to my going rate. I put in around 8-10 hours for a 4 hour reception. I am not sure how many hours you put in but would guess it was considerably more than that. And here I have been thinking you guys made the big bucks! Rates are always an interesting discussion. It was not until I got away from letting market/competition excuses drive my rate that I started to earn what I was worth. Don't get me wrong, understanding your market is important. The advise given is spot on. Start with a solid written business plan. Set goals. Measure to those goals. You can always adjust as needed. Understand your true costs (cameras, equipment, insurance, marketing,TIME). Please note that time means everything from initial and fwp client meetings, time on the job itself, and post. I am not sure if you attend training or conventions, but I load that into my annual expenses that I expect to recoup (and DJ conventions are fun!). Since I raised my rates, my work fell about 50% but my profits more than doubled. This meant more time for my family and myself. Remember, not everyone is your client. You ask what it is worth to the couple. I am not sure how anyone could answer that question. The real question is did you charge what you are worth? If so, great! If not, how are you going to modify your business to make it so? It's interesting to see the similarities between our two industries. I hope I did not offend you and I sincerely liked the video. I hope one day to shot/produce to that level.

January 27th, 2010, 05:31 PM	#13
Silas Barker Major Player Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sacramento, California Posts: 577	Thank you, thank you! I know about the off sync sound, and your the first who's caught that - I actually was using the voiceover over the video shots and it just so happened to be close enough to where it looks like a lip sync thing off but I knew about it LOL. Glad you liked it.....take a look at some of my other videos too if you like! Wedding & Corporate Video, Sacramento, Roseville, Folsom, Rocklin

January 27th, 2010, 09:41 PM	#14
Alec Moreno Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Glendora, CA Posts: 184	Okay, I'll play too. (I haven't seen your prices.) $1,700 plus tax? Alec Moreno http://www.1Day1ShotProductions.com