Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q1Q2)

Edward Troxel · January 7th, 2004, 01:19 PM

The undersample rate box allows you to simulate a lower frame rate. For example, an undersample rate of 0.5 plays the event at half its original frame rate. Each frame plays twice as long as in the origianl media file, creating a strobe effect.

Eric Gutknecht · January 7th, 2004, 01:50 PM

Well this is disappointing... According to a few shops I have talked to, Sony has apparently severed all ties with its Canadian Distributor for Sonic Foundry products and has gone so far as to not allow American distributors to ship Vegas product to Canada.

Anyone know what's up with that? I thought that Vegas 4.0 was going to be my NLE of choice but I guess I may have to look at alternatives now...

Cheers;
Eric
Ottawa, Canada

Edward Troxel · January 7th, 2004, 02:30 PM

First of all, Canadians can definitely still purchase Vegas. However, I do understand that the distribution has been changed somewhat. I know the distribution channel prices have gone up (actually they simply get less of a discount).

There are still many mail-order places that carry the product if you don't want to purchase directly from Sony. For example, Videoguys still carries the product (at a slightly higher price than last month) and I'm sure they will ship to Canada.

Eric Gutknecht · January 7th, 2004, 04:19 PM

Hi Edward;

Good point... I guess that's true that any stock in the channel can be shipped, so individuals willing to order through someone in the states can still get it. I should be OK then in that respect .

The point though is that Canadian resellers can no longer carry the product as distribution to Canada has been halted (regardless of the price increases, etc). Hopefully this is just temporary as I gather its excellent software...

This could also be incorrect as I am relating what was told to me from a few stores where I attempted to buy...

Cheers;
Eric

Alex Taylor · January 7th, 2004, 04:32 PM

If this is true, why would Sony do such a thing?

Eric Gutknecht · January 7th, 2004, 08:51 PM

I don't know... but the folks I talked that own video software stores were quite upset. Perhaps Sony was unsatisfied with the distributors they had in Canada and are simply in a transition to replace them. I certainly hope its not a permanent thing.

Eric

Dennis Adams · January 8th, 2004, 09:45 AM

Thanks, Ed, for bringing this thread to my attention. I checked with our head of marketing, and he had this to say:

"Well, what a coincidence. The execs from Sony Canada are actually in the office this week finalizing the distribution plans for the entire country. Sony works distribution country by country, and we're about to finalize things north of the border very soon. I the meantime, there's always the web store."

I met a bunch of folks from Sony Canada in the lobby this morning myself :)

Cheers,

///d@

Eric Gutknecht · January 8th, 2004, 10:05 AM

Excellent news... and thanks for posting this infortmation. I sincerely look forward to purchasing Vegas!

Cheers;
Eric

Don Donatello · January 8th, 2004, 01:35 PM

i use a Vegas filter pack that makes the clips look like they are animation drawings ... at 30fps it looks odd because the motion is real but the images more animation so i set under sample to .20 and it/s 6fps , .27 / 8fps ..

for other clip just i want to throw them off slight in the 18-22fps area ....

also for a nice effects ( if subject has motion or camera zooms in/out ) set to 6-8fps then add motion blur in the video bus track ..

Curt Kay · January 8th, 2004, 01:47 PM

??? Just wondering how... I didn't see a easy was when I was looking at vegas.

-Kay

Don Donatello · January 8th, 2004, 01:54 PM

hit the J key for reverse ..hit it again and it will go faster in reverse - keep hitting for faster .. for forward hit the L key ..

for slo mo reverse hold the K key down then hit the J key- to speed up just keep hitting J key ..

for forward slo mo hold K key then hit L .. faster keep hitting L key

Ryan Gohlinghorst · January 8th, 2004, 02:01 PM

Do you mean reverse motion for a final output? If then, click on the event and then the Insert menu and insert a video velocity envelope. Drag the envelope down to a velocity of -100. That will give you a normal speed clip played backward. If you need to adjust the speed of that clip more, render it out and bring it back into Vegas and insert another velocity envelope.

Edward Troxel · January 8th, 2004, 02:21 PM

You use a velocity envelope and the "key" is to START AT THE END. In other words, find the end of the clip (i.e. beginning of the REVERSED clip) and apply the velocity envelope at a negative percentage at that point.

To make things even simpler, use the "Reverse Clip" option in Excalibur 2.

Michael Estepp · January 8th, 2004, 07:31 PM

what is the plug in you use to make clips look like animation?

Michael Estepp

Don Donatello · January 9th, 2004, 12:52 PM

filter pack .. color curves, levels, convolution kernel, invert, brightness contrast, min max

to see samples 1/2 way down page

http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/don...+vegas&.src=ph

January 7th, 2004, 01:50 PM	#32
Eric Gutknecht New Boot Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario. Canada Posts: 21	Canada can no longer get Vegas... Well this is disappointing... According to a few shops I have talked to, Sony has apparently severed all ties with its Canadian Distributor for Sonic Foundry products and has gone so far as to not allow American distributors to ship Vegas product to Canada. Anyone know what's up with that? I thought that Vegas 4.0 was going to be my NLE of choice but I guess I may have to look at alternatives now... Cheers; Eric Ottawa, Canada

January 7th, 2004, 04:32 PM	#35
Alex Taylor Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 390	If this is true, why would Sony do such a thing? __________________ alextaylor.org

January 8th, 2004, 01:47 PM	#40
Curt Kay Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: San Jose, Ca Posts: 50	How do you play video in reverse? ??? Just wondering how... I didn't see a easy was when I was looking at vegas. -Kay __________________ Fight the power. http://www.curtkay.com I WILL not be held down.

January 8th, 2004, 02:01 PM	#42
Ryan Gohlinghorst Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Mankato, Minnesota Posts: 104	Do you mean reverse motion for a final output? If then, click on the event and then the Insert menu and insert a video velocity envelope. Drag the envelope down to a velocity of -100. That will give you a normal speed clip played backward. If you need to adjust the speed of that clip more, render it out and bring it back into Vegas and insert another velocity envelope. __________________ http://www.horsefilms.com "I like Mankato just a little bit better than any other town in the world." -Sinclair Lewis

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January 7th, 2004, 01:19 PM	#31
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	The undersample rate box allows you to simulate a lower frame rate. For example, an undersample rate of 0.5 plays the event at half its original frame rate. Each frame plays twice as long as in the origianl media file, creating a strobe effect.

January 7th, 2004, 02:30 PM	#33
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	First of all, Canadians can definitely still purchase Vegas. However, I do understand that the distribution has been changed somewhat. I know the distribution channel prices have gone up (actually they simply get less of a discount). There are still many mail-order places that carry the product if you don't want to purchase directly from Sony. For example, Videoguys still carries the product (at a slightly higher price than last month) and I'm sure they will ship to Canada.

January 7th, 2004, 04:19 PM	#34
Eric Gutknecht New Boot Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario. Canada Posts: 21	Hi Edward; Good point... I guess that's true that any stock in the channel can be shipped, so individuals willing to order through someone in the states can still get it. I should be OK then in that respect . The point though is that Canadian resellers can no longer carry the product as distribution to Canada has been halted (regardless of the price increases, etc). Hopefully this is just temporary as I gather its excellent software... This could also be incorrect as I am relating what was told to me from a few stores where I attempted to buy... Cheers; Eric

January 7th, 2004, 08:51 PM	#36
Eric Gutknecht New Boot Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario. Canada Posts: 21	I don't know... but the folks I talked that own video software stores were quite upset. Perhaps Sony was unsatisfied with the distributors they had in Canada and are simply in a transition to replace them. I certainly hope its not a permanent thing. Eric

January 8th, 2004, 09:45 AM	#37
Dennis Adams Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 123	Thanks, Ed, for bringing this thread to my attention. I checked with our head of marketing, and he had this to say: "Well, what a coincidence. The execs from Sony Canada are actually in the office this week finalizing the distribution plans for the entire country. Sony works distribution country by country, and we're about to finalize things north of the border very soon. I the meantime, there's always the web store." I met a bunch of folks from Sony Canada in the lobby this morning myself :) Cheers, ///d@

January 8th, 2004, 10:05 AM	#38
Eric Gutknecht New Boot Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario. Canada Posts: 21	Excellent news... and thanks for posting this infortmation. I sincerely look forward to purchasing Vegas! Cheers; Eric

January 8th, 2004, 01:35 PM	#39
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	i use a Vegas filter pack that makes the clips look like they are animation drawings ... at 30fps it looks odd because the motion is real but the images more animation so i set under sample to .20 and it/s 6fps , .27 / 8fps .. for other clip just i want to throw them off slight in the 18-22fps area .... also for a nice effects ( if subject has motion or camera zooms in/out ) set to 6-8fps then add motion blur in the video bus track ..

January 8th, 2004, 01:54 PM	#41
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	hit the J key for reverse ..hit it again and it will go faster in reverse - keep hitting for faster .. for forward hit the L key .. for slo mo reverse hold the K key down then hit the J key- to speed up just keep hitting J key .. for forward slo mo hold K key then hit L .. faster keep hitting L key

January 8th, 2004, 02:21 PM	#43
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	You use a velocity envelope and the "key" is to START AT THE END. In other words, find the end of the clip (i.e. beginning of the REVERSED clip) and apply the velocity envelope at a negative percentage at that point. To make things even simpler, use the "Reverse Clip" option in Excalibur 2.

January 8th, 2004, 07:31 PM	#44
Michael Estepp Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 95	what is the plug in you use to make clips look like animation? Michael Estepp

January 9th, 2004, 12:52 PM	#45
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	filter pack .. color curves, levels, convolution kernel, invert, brightness contrast, min max to see samples 1/2 way down page http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/don...+vegas&.src=ph