Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q1Q2)

John Hudson · March 17th, 2004, 11:27 PM

Thanks Edward and tks for the article.

Don Bloom · March 18th, 2004, 03:46 AM

Ahhhh Edward,
As usual to my rescue ;-)

I forgot about the longer text. Since I almost never do anything that long or scroll across I had forgotten.

3 lashes with an old Avid dongle for me.

Don

Hugh DiMauro · March 18th, 2004, 10:37 AM

Is there some secret way to allow Vegas 4.0 to add special effects like machine gun muzzleblast on prop guns or adding a third eye to the forehead of a walking character or a hole on a body part?

Rob Lohman · March 18th, 2004, 10:41 AM

There isn't a magic button or plugin for such work. It usually
requires seperate plates (footage, like the eye or a muzzle blast)
which can be shot or perhaps rendered (3D program) or painted
(2D paint program) and are then composited into the rest of
the scene.

If you have the footage like a muzzle flash it should be possible
to do it in Vegas. Although such rotoscoping, tracking and
compositing is a tedious job!

Keith Loh · March 18th, 2004, 10:45 AM

Hugh, I did this with several frames using Photoshop and then compositing using AfterEffects. You should be able to do the same thing with Photoshop and Vegas Video.

You can see it here:
http://www.pyroglyphfilms.com/galler...oting_test.mov

I should have made the flashes a bit brighter and added another triangular element over it in retrospect.

Hugh DiMauro · March 18th, 2004, 10:45 AM

Rats! What about a program like Pinnacle Commotion? Isn't that what it does? Can I import the effects to that or does Pinnacle not play nice with Vegas? ALSO, editing in Vegas is fabulous and I'll probably never use another program. HOWEVER... like a dunce I failed to purchase Vegas 4.0 with the DVD program so now I wonder if I can edit in Vegas and then open the finished product in Pinnacle Edition 5.0 which does have a DVD authoring program?

Hugh DiMauro · March 18th, 2004, 10:47 AM

What does Adobe Photoshop go for?

Hugh DiMauro · March 18th, 2004, 10:48 AM

By the way I can't bring your website up to look at your screen shots. Bah!

Sunny Dhinsey · March 18th, 2004, 11:34 AM

I found that if I render the portions of the VOB file as an .avi file the quality of video is very good. I'm assuming that I'll lose some quality from the original .VOB file, but so far on playback tests, I have seen hardly any deviation from the original source

Hugh DiMauro · March 18th, 2004, 12:05 PM

Jean-Philippe: Deinterlacing in Vegas works FABULOUS. I just tested it two days ago with a Sony 1 CCD consumer camcorder and it looks awesome.

1) File>Properties> set to NONE-Progressive scan. Then set DEINTERLACE METHOD to BLEND

2) When you RENDER, go to CUSTOM>and change to NONE-PROGRESSIVE SCAN. It increases render time but it looks great.

Edward Troxel · March 18th, 2004, 12:06 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Sunny Dhinsey : I found that if I render the portions of the VOB file as an .avi file the quality of video is very good. I'm assuming that I'll lose some quality from the original .VOB file, but so far on playback tests, I have seen hardly any deviation from the original source -->>>

Where you'll see a bigger difference is if you look at the ORIGINAL AVI file that created the VOB file in the first place and compare it to your new AVI file.

Kim Kinser · March 18th, 2004, 12:10 PM

you might want to look at a product called alamdv for adding those kind of effects.

It's pretty inepensive and does a reasonably good job. I am by no means proficient at any of this video stuff but I added some effects in a home movie. the actual editing was done in vegas.

Hugh DiMauro · March 18th, 2004, 12:18 PM

That was cute as hell! I just might try out that program. What I would like to use it for is to avoid using actual blank rounds and bullet hits for a project I am working on. I really don't like gunplay in my projects but this particular project does call for it.

Hugh DiMauro · March 18th, 2004, 12:21 PM

did you now there's a free download to ALAMDV?

Keith Loh · March 18th, 2004, 12:28 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Hugh DiMauro : What does Adobe Photoshop go for? -->>>

If you are doing any kind of heavy duty art for video, film or any kind of digital work, you must have Photoshop. It's the starting point for a lot of work.

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/main.html

I've seen AlamDV and it's pretty neat. I would use AlamDV as a starting point and then go in with Photoshop to tweak it. The price is good too.

Were you referring to my screenshots? Which page were you trying to view it on? I'll need to go fix it.

By the way, here is a thread on another board that talks about DIY gun effects (you can sign in as guest).

http://forums.delphiforums.com/DVDA/messages?msg=83.8

I was basically asking the same question and researching it.

Here is some gunflashes that I was trying to do for a music video:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/DVDA/messages?msg=384.15

March 18th, 2004, 10:37 AM	#858
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,205	Special Effects Is there some secret way to allow Vegas 4.0 to add special effects like machine gun muzzleblast on prop guns or adding a third eye to the forehead of a walking character or a hole on a body part?

March 18th, 2004, 10:41 AM	#859
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	There isn't a magic button or plugin for such work. It usually requires seperate plates (footage, like the eye or a muzzle blast) which can be shot or perhaps rendered (3D program) or painted (2D paint program) and are then composited into the rest of the scene. If you have the footage like a muzzle flash it should be possible to do it in Vegas. Although such rotoscoping, tracking and compositing is a tedious job! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 18th, 2004, 10:45 AM	#860
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	Photoshop and AE Hugh, I did this with several frames using Photoshop and then compositing using AfterEffects. You should be able to do the same thing with Photoshop and Vegas Video. You can see it here: http://www.pyroglyphfilms.com/galler...oting_test.mov I should have made the flashes a bit brighter and added another triangular element over it in retrospect. __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

March 18th, 2004, 10:45 AM	#861
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,205	Boy that was fast! Rats! What about a program like Pinnacle Commotion? Isn't that what it does? Can I import the effects to that or does Pinnacle not play nice with Vegas? ALSO, editing in Vegas is fabulous and I'll probably never use another program. HOWEVER... like a dunce I failed to purchase Vegas 4.0 with the DVD program so now I wonder if I can edit in Vegas and then open the finished product in Pinnacle Edition 5.0 which does have a DVD authoring program?

March 18th, 2004, 10:47 AM	#862
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,205	Thanks Keith! What does Adobe Photoshop go for?

March 17th, 2004, 11:27 PM	#856
John Hudson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 32° 44' N 117° 10' W Posts: 820	Thanks Edward and tks for the article.

March 18th, 2004, 03:46 AM	#857
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	Ahhhh Edward, As usual to my rescue ;-) I forgot about the longer text. Since I almost never do anything that long or scroll across I had forgotten. 3 lashes with an old Avid dongle for me. Don

March 18th, 2004, 10:48 AM	#863
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,205	By the way I can't bring your website up to look at your screen shots. Bah!

March 18th, 2004, 11:34 AM	#864
Sunny Dhinsey Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: London, England Posts: 127	I found that if I render the portions of the VOB file as an .avi file the quality of video is very good. I'm assuming that I'll lose some quality from the original .VOB file, but so far on playback tests, I have seen hardly any deviation from the original source __________________ Sunny Dhinsey Director - www.filmlore.tv

March 18th, 2004, 12:05 PM	#865
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,205	Jean-Philippe: Deinterlacing in Vegas works FABULOUS. I just tested it two days ago with a Sony 1 CCD consumer camcorder and it looks awesome. 1) File>Properties> set to NONE-Progressive scan. Then set DEINTERLACE METHOD to BLEND 2) When you RENDER, go to CUSTOM>and change to NONE-PROGRESSIVE SCAN. It increases render time but it looks great.

March 18th, 2004, 12:06 PM	#866
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	<<<-- Originally posted by Sunny Dhinsey : I found that if I render the portions of the VOB file as an .avi file the quality of video is very good. I'm assuming that I'll lose some quality from the original .VOB file, but so far on playback tests, I have seen hardly any deviation from the original source -->>> Where you'll see a bigger difference is if you look at the ORIGINAL AVI file that created the VOB file in the first place and compare it to your new AVI file.

March 18th, 2004, 12:10 PM	#867
Kim Kinser Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Voorhees, NJ Posts: 82	you might want to look at a product called alamdv for adding those kind of effects. It's pretty inepensive and does a reasonably good job. I am by no means proficient at any of this video stuff but I added some effects in a home movie. the actual editing was done in vegas.

March 18th, 2004, 12:18 PM	#868
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,205	WOW! That was cute as hell! I just might try out that program. What I would like to use it for is to avoid using actual blank rounds and bullet hits for a project I am working on. I really don't like gunplay in my projects but this particular project does call for it.

March 18th, 2004, 12:21 PM	#869
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,205	did you now there's a free download to ALAMDV?

March 18th, 2004, 12:28 PM	#870
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	Re: Thanks Keith! <<<-- Originally posted by Hugh DiMauro : What does Adobe Photoshop go for? -->>> If you are doing any kind of heavy duty art for video, film or any kind of digital work, you must have Photoshop. It's the starting point for a lot of work. http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/main.html I've seen AlamDV and it's pretty neat. I would use AlamDV as a starting point and then go in with Photoshop to tweak it. The price is good too. Were you referring to my screenshots? Which page were you trying to view it on? I'll need to go fix it. By the way, here is a thread on another board that talks about DIY gun effects (you can sign in as guest). http://forums.delphiforums.com/DVDA/messages?msg=83.8 I was basically asking the same question and researching it. Here is some gunflashes that I was trying to do for a music video: http://forums.delphiforums.com/DVDA/messages?msg=384.15 __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery