Stabilizer results in stutter at DVinfo.net

Phil Gosselin · February 21st, 2012, 09:34 AM

Hi all,

I haven't had a chance to use this plugin in version 10 but now with version 11 I do and did yesterday. I must say I find the results to be quite satisfactory.

One HUGE caveat though, my current project is in 59.94 and when I render at that frame rate all is fine. When I render at 29.976 (which is what the final render will be set to) all the media that has the stabilizer plugin now stutters uncontrollably.

Here's an example with wheel:

Edit4.wmv - YouTube

I've tried many combination of different kinds of output and plugin configuration all to no vail, every time I set the frame rate to 29.976 the stuttering appear

What is you take in this?

Thanks

Phil

Buba Kastorski · February 21st, 2012, 02:50 PM

I got the same issue, I tried disable re-sampling and smart resampling - doesn't help,
I find that stabilizer worked better in Vegas 10, although i always have a some kind of frame jump towards the very end on every stabilized clip

Adam Letch · February 22nd, 2012, 02:33 AM

To be honest,

and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but the stabiliser was actually taken from Mercali?? I find this stabiliser primitive and results inferior to the original Mercali, let alone the new version.??

Jerry Amende · February 22nd, 2012, 05:16 AM

After much pain, I've found that a best practice for stabilization is to follow this principle:

When stabilizing video in Sony Vegas 11 using the internal stabilizer or Mercalli V2, best results are obtained when matching properties of source footage, project properties and render properties. If render properties must be different, render to an intermediate or a new track.

In other words, for you specific problem, I'd solve it by rendering the stabilized video event to a new track at 59.94 fps (preferably with a high-quality codec such as DNxHD, MXF, Cineform, etc.), delete the video event with the Stabilize FX, then render the project to 29.97 fps.

In other words, the mismatch between the render settings and the Vegas project appears to be the cause of your stutter.

I know it shouldn't work this way, but until SCS/proDAD fixes the problem, we need to live with an intermediate render.

Good Luck!
...Jerry

PS: More info here: Vegas Pro 11 (511 64bit) - Stabilize problem!!! and
here: First Look at the Vegas 11 Stabilizer

Jeremy Dallek · February 22nd, 2012, 02:24 PM

I've seen this as well, 2 things to try:

Set the Project Properties to 29.97 instead of the 59.94, run the stabilization, and then render out to the 29.97(make sure to disable resample as well) You may loose the benefits from the high framerate of the source footage, but it's something to experiment with.

This is another thing to try, if it works will be a very simple workaround and the best option: (Keep the Project Properties at your preferred 59.94) Change the event properties to undersample the source footage, change Sampling from 1.00 to .50, (also disable resample) and then run the stabilization. Let us know if this works!!

February 21st, 2012, 09:34 AM	#1
Phil Gosselin Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 211	Stabilizer results in stutter Hi all, I haven't had a chance to use this plugin in version 10 but now with version 11 I do and did yesterday. I must say I find the results to be quite satisfactory. One HUGE caveat though, my current project is in 59.94 and when I render at that frame rate all is fine. When I render at 29.976 (which is what the final render will be set to) all the media that has the stabilizer plugin now stutters uncontrollably. Here's an example with wheel: Edit4.wmv - YouTube I've tried many combination of different kinds of output and plugin configuration all to no vail, every time I set the frame rate to 29.976 the stuttering appear What is you take in this? Thanks Phil

February 21st, 2012, 02:50 PM	#2
Buba Kastorski Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,414	Re: Stabilizer results in stutter I got the same issue, I tried disable re-sampling and smart resampling - doesn't help, I find that stabilizer worked better in Vegas 10, although i always have a some kind of frame jump towards the very end on every stabilized clip __________________ I love this place!

February 22nd, 2012, 02:33 AM	#3
Adam Letch Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 414	Re: Stabilizer results in stutter To be honest, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but the stabiliser was actually taken from Mercali?? I find this stabiliser primitive and results inferior to the original Mercali, let alone the new version.??

February 22nd, 2012, 05:16 AM	#4
Jerry Amende Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Wilmington, DE Posts: 129	Re: Stabilizer results in stutter After much pain, I've found that a best practice for stabilization is to follow this principle: When stabilizing video in Sony Vegas 11 using the internal stabilizer or Mercalli V2, best results are obtained when matching properties of source footage, project properties and render properties. If render properties must be different, render to an intermediate or a new track. In other words, for you specific problem, I'd solve it by rendering the stabilized video event to a new track at 59.94 fps (preferably with a high-quality codec such as DNxHD, MXF, Cineform, etc.), delete the video event with the Stabilize FX, then render the project to 29.97 fps. In other words, the mismatch between the render settings and the Vegas project appears to be the cause of your stutter. I know it shouldn't work this way, but until SCS/proDAD fixes the problem, we need to live with an intermediate render. Good Luck! ...Jerry PS: More info here: Vegas Pro 11 (511 64bit) - Stabilize problem!!! and here: First Look at the Vegas 11 Stabilizer

February 22nd, 2012, 02:24 PM	#5
Jeremy Dallek Regular Crew Join Date: May 2009 Location: Minneapolis MN Posts: 40	Re: Stabilizer results in stutter I've seen this as well, 2 things to try: Set the Project Properties to 29.97 instead of the 59.94, run the stabilization, and then render out to the 29.97(make sure to disable resample as well) You may loose the benefits from the high framerate of the source footage, but it's something to experiment with. This is another thing to try, if it works will be a very simple workaround and the best option: (Keep the Project Properties at your preferred 59.94) Change the event properties to undersample the source footage, change Sampling from 1.00 to .50, (also disable resample) and then run the stabilization. Let us know if this works!!