Vegas Video discussions from 2002 at DVinfo.net

Nathan Gifford · January 7th, 2002, 08:09 PM

I have heard that VV 3.0 does not support Canon 4 track audio: is that true?

Nathan Gifford

January 8th, 2002, 04:28 AM

G'Day from WA

Yes this is true, from my understanding.

cheers

greenday

ronluc8667 · January 8th, 2002, 10:31 AM

I just bought a Canon XL1s and do have Vegas Video 3.0. I am just learning about this stuff, but I was hoping that this setup I could get the four tracks of audio. This is too bad.

Ron

blake edwards · January 19th, 2002, 01:47 PM

Nathan did you figure out anything about Veg video 3.0?
i too have been using all 4 channels of audio and just discovered that i will have to dump via s-video and rca cables due to the fact that firewire to vegas is not picking up my 3-4 channels.

does anyonw know of software that is supporting all four chaales of audio via firewire?

amon

thornburgav@hotmail.com

blake edwards · January 19th, 2002, 01:59 PM

I have read that Vegas Video 3.0 is not supporting XL1 4channel audio. What programs are supporting 4 channel firewire dumps and use's real quad surround sound proccessing?

Also i to am looking for a good totaly wireless microphone system
with Lavalier and handheld microphone. any suggestions? include all specs...thx

Has anyone tried using the supplied cannon mic with extention cables (1/8 stereo and the power) as a boom mic?

Suggestions on hooking up a me66 sennheiser for boom mic.

thanks for the help. . .

DVi rox

Edward Troxel · January 21st, 2002, 03:35 PM

There is another solution if you don't mind purchasing a very inexpensive capture program. Scenalyzer now has the ability to capture either stereo 1 or stereo 2 from a minidv tape. The cost for this program is only $33.00. The updated version that has this capability is not yet a direct link on their site but they will send you a link to the beta version that includes this ability.

www.scenalyzer.com

Edward Troxel · January 21st, 2002, 03:38 PM

If you simply want a cheap capture program that will capture all 4 tracks, try www.scenalyzer.com. You will need to request the link that points to the beta version that now includes this ability.

Most capturing programs allow this ability including: Cinestream, Premiere, and FCP. So, you can easily find a program which can capture the additional audio tracks.

For our wireless system, we use an Azden UDR400 system. It has worked great for our purposes. (Yes, it does record onto Stereo 2)

Don Palomaki · January 21st, 2002, 04:37 PM

The Dazzle/FAST 'DV.now AV' and 'DV.now' products will capture all 4 audio tracks and to boot they store them as four speparate WAV files. The cards come with a full version of Premiere 6.0 and soem other software.

Edward Troxel · January 22nd, 2002, 01:14 PM

Many programs are capable of capturing all 4 tracks including:

Cinestream/EditDV
Premiere
FCP

As mentioned in my previous post, the CHEAPEST add-on you could get that will import all 4 tracks is Scenanlyzer. The demo version can be downloaded and tested from:

http://www.scenalyzer.com/sclive20011115.zip

Personally, the options I use most are Cinestream and Scenalyzer.

Josh Bass · May 2nd, 2002, 11:20 PM

I thought I saw a Vegas Video 3 post elsewhere on this site. . .so here's mine. I recently edited something on Vegas Video 3, and during playback the last time I opened the program, it was all stuttery and nasty. . .kinda like streaming video with a 56k connection (which I also have), you get me?

The time before that, playback was fine. Capture looked nasty though. Granted, I am working off a 13 gig hard drive, the computer's original HD, and I have 384 mb of RAM. . .which I'm planning to change. However, I still have about 3.5 gigs of drive space left, and it's never been stuttery before, even at the highest quality preview level. Any ideas?

Bill Ravens · May 3rd, 2002, 07:35 AM

not sure this is your problem, but, all hard drives lose speed on read and write operations as they fill up. If you're drive is full, it's working at a lower speed than when it's empty. If your drive is an older model (ie slower than the new drives) it is marginal for video capture/playback. As a result, you could be dropping frames. Are you?

Josh Bass · May 3rd, 2002, 08:43 AM

Well, there's a readout somewhere when you capture that tells you how many frames are dropped while capturing. It says no dropped frames. But yes, it is an older model (1999). I'm going to get a 80 gig firewire drive. They have mac-configured ones for &200 or so, and I've been told they can be reformatted to work on the PC. Is this s good way to go?

Bill Ravens · May 3rd, 2002, 09:01 AM

Dropping frames is a problem reported only during capture. If playback is too slow, you'll get a lot of stuttering, but, no diagnostic message. There are a number of freeware drive speed testers available. Assuming you're using a DV codec, the drive speed has to be better than 4 Mb/sec minimum. Most older drives average about 12 Mb/sec with an occasional dropout to less than 3 Mb/sec.....not good.

A firewire IDE drive will work pretty good...at least as good as a drive mounted on the internal IDE bus. My Western Dig wd1000BB runs at 24 Mb/sec minimum. For best video performance, be sure to get a 7200 RPM ATA/100 drive.

Don Donatello · May 3rd, 2002, 11:52 AM

sometimes when i edit VV i get the studder ...BUT when i look around i find that i accidently turned something ON that then makes VV have to render that FX which my processor can't do in real time... my most common accident is the luminance level slider it has to be 100% if lower heavy processing ...
another is sometimes i'll try a pan/crop or track motion then forget to unplug them .... if you added any FX to the video track it will put a load on the processor ...

VV runs very good on 384ram -IMO not the problem

i suggest you open a NEW window of vegas ..drop the avi clip on the timeline .. now play it ... if it plays back with no studder then somewhere in your other edit you have turned on a FX of some type... ??

also turn OFF any software running in background.. IE virus software, screen saver , easy cd ,

you don't say what CPU you are running ?? if under 933 .. when you capture do not use the computer - do not move the mouse , do not open a excel/word doc, capture using smart capture ( when you capture you will NOT see the image) view image on camera or tv , defrag your drive ... 3.5 gig of free HD space is very small ,

if running win2K have disk management look at HD - it will tell you how many pieces your clip is broken ... i'm running 80 gigs sometimes i'll have 15gigs free then when i capture a 3 gig clip it is broken up into 200 pieces ........

Josh Bass · May 3rd, 2002, 07:48 PM

So I'm not supposed to leave any FX in my piece when I watch it? I thought that was the whole point of Vegas Video. . .real time previews without the card.

I recently upgraded my computer's processor to a 1.6 gig Athlon, so it should be fine. I do have a pretty slow HD, though. . .I don't know its speed.

January 7th, 2002, 08:09 PM	#1
Nathan Gifford Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Tickfaw, LA Posts: 1,217	Vegas Video discussions from 2002 I have heard that VV 3.0 does not support Canon 4 track audio: is that true? Nathan Gifford

January 19th, 2002, 01:47 PM	#4
blake edwards New Boot Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: ft laud fl Posts: 10	Re: Vegas Vid & Canon 4 track? Nathan did you figure out anything about Veg video 3.0? i too have been using all 4 channels of audio and just discovered that i will have to dump via s-video and rca cables due to the fact that firewire to vegas is not picking up my 3-4 channels. does anyonw know of software that is supporting all four chaales of audio via firewire? amon thornburgav@hotmail.com

January 19th, 2002, 01:59 PM	#5
blake edwards New Boot Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: ft laud fl Posts: 10	XL1 & Vegas Video 3.0 Via firewire for 4 channel audio I have read that Vegas Video 3.0 is not supporting XL1 4channel audio. What programs are supporting 4 channel firewire dumps and use's real quad surround sound proccessing? Also i to am looking for a good totaly wireless microphone system with Lavalier and handheld microphone. any suggestions? include all specs...thx Has anyone tried using the supplied cannon mic with extention cables (1/8 stereo and the power) as a boom mic? Suggestions on hooking up a me66 sennheiser for boom mic. thanks for the help. . . DVi rox __________________ Thornburg Cinema is brought to you buy vOCesUGa . . . makers of 35-70 mm projectors. email reply too thornburgav@hotmail.com

May 2nd, 2002, 11:20 PM	#10
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Vegas Video 3 stuttery playback I thought I saw a Vegas Video 3 post elsewhere on this site. . .so here's mine. I recently edited something on Vegas Video 3, and during playback the last time I opened the program, it was all stuttery and nasty. . .kinda like streaming video with a 56k connection (which I also have), you get me? The time before that, playback was fine. Capture looked nasty though. Granted, I am working off a 13 gig hard drive, the computer's original HD, and I have 384 mb of RAM. . .which I'm planning to change. However, I still have about 3.5 gigs of drive space left, and it's never been stuttery before, even at the highest quality preview level. Any ideas? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

May 3rd, 2002, 08:43 AM	#12
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	above Well, there's a readout somewhere when you capture that tells you how many frames are dropped while capturing. It says no dropped frames. But yes, it is an older model (1999). I'm going to get a 80 gig firewire drive. They have mac-configured ones for &200 or so, and I've been told they can be reformatted to work on the PC. Is this s good way to go? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

January 8th, 2002, 04:28 AM	#2
Greenday Digital Posts: n/a	G'Day from WA Yes this is true, from my understanding. cheers greenday

January 8th, 2002, 10:31 AM	#3
ronluc8667 Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 31	I just bought a Canon XL1s and do have Vegas Video 3.0. I am just learning about this stuff, but I was hoping that this setup I could get the four tracks of audio. This is too bad. Ron

January 21st, 2002, 03:35 PM	#6
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	There is another solution if you don't mind purchasing a very inexpensive capture program. Scenalyzer now has the ability to capture either stereo 1 or stereo 2 from a minidv tape. The cost for this program is only $33.00. The updated version that has this capability is not yet a direct link on their site but they will send you a link to the beta version that includes this ability. www.scenalyzer.com

January 21st, 2002, 03:38 PM	#7
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	If you simply want a cheap capture program that will capture all 4 tracks, try www.scenalyzer.com. You will need to request the link that points to the beta version that now includes this ability. Most capturing programs allow this ability including: Cinestream, Premiere, and FCP. So, you can easily find a program which can capture the additional audio tracks. For our wireless system, we use an Azden UDR400 system. It has worked great for our purposes. (Yes, it does record onto Stereo 2)

January 21st, 2002, 04:37 PM	#8
Don Palomaki Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,487	The Dazzle/FAST 'DV.now AV' and 'DV.now' products will capture all 4 audio tracks and to boot they store them as four speparate WAV files. The cards come with a full version of Premiere 6.0 and soem other software.

January 22nd, 2002, 01:14 PM	#9
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Many programs are capable of capturing all 4 tracks including: Cinestream/EditDV Premiere FCP As mentioned in my previous post, the CHEAPEST add-on you could get that will import all 4 tracks is Scenanlyzer. The demo version can be downloaded and tested from: http://www.scenalyzer.com/sclive20011115.zip Personally, the options I use most are Cinestream and Scenalyzer.

May 3rd, 2002, 07:35 AM	#11
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	not sure this is your problem, but, all hard drives lose speed on read and write operations as they fill up. If you're drive is full, it's working at a lower speed than when it's empty. If your drive is an older model (ie slower than the new drives) it is marginal for video capture/playback. As a result, you could be dropping frames. Are you?

May 3rd, 2002, 09:01 AM	#13
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Dropping frames is a problem reported only during capture. If playback is too slow, you'll get a lot of stuttering, but, no diagnostic message. There are a number of freeware drive speed testers available. Assuming you're using a DV codec, the drive speed has to be better than 4 Mb/sec minimum. Most older drives average about 12 Mb/sec with an occasional dropout to less than 3 Mb/sec.....not good. A firewire IDE drive will work pretty good...at least as good as a drive mounted on the internal IDE bus. My Western Dig wd1000BB runs at 24 Mb/sec minimum. For best video performance, be sure to get a 7200 RPM ATA/100 drive.

May 3rd, 2002, 11:52 AM	#14
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	sometimes when i edit VV i get the studder ...BUT when i look around i find that i accidently turned something ON that then makes VV have to render that FX which my processor can't do in real time... my most common accident is the luminance level slider it has to be 100% if lower heavy processing ... another is sometimes i'll try a pan/crop or track motion then forget to unplug them .... if you added any FX to the video track it will put a load on the processor ... VV runs very good on 384ram -IMO not the problem i suggest you open a NEW window of vegas ..drop the avi clip on the timeline .. now play it ... if it plays back with no studder then somewhere in your other edit you have turned on a FX of some type... ?? also turn OFF any software running in background.. IE virus software, screen saver , easy cd , you don't say what CPU you are running ?? if under 933 .. when you capture do not use the computer - do not move the mouse , do not open a excel/word doc, capture using smart capture ( when you capture you will NOT see the image) view image on camera or tv , defrag your drive ... 3.5 gig of free HD space is very small , if running win2K have disk management look at HD - it will tell you how many pieces your clip is broken ... i'm running 80 gigs sometimes i'll have 15gigs free then when i capture a 3 gig clip it is broken up into 200 pieces ........

May 3rd, 2002, 07:48 PM	#15
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	above So I'm not supposed to leave any FX in my piece when I watch it? I thought that was the whole point of Vegas Video. . .real time previews without the card. I recently upgraded my computer's processor to a 1.6 gig Athlon, so it should be fine. I do have a pretty slow HD, though. . .I don't know its speed. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB