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Old July 4th, 2009, 10:35 AM   #31
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Stelios, below is a link to a demo of the Comer 1800 w/the Condenser trick (around 1:20 into the video):

What is a "condenser lens trick" ?

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The condensor lens trick is when you apply the condensor lens but leave approximately a 15 degree angle between the lens and the light, which intensifies the spotlight effect and generates more power into a smaller space. If you look at Taky's video, he provides a good example of how it works.
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Old July 4th, 2009, 11:06 AM   #32
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I don't have a Z5, I have an FX1000. The light will not balance on my camera.

It is not coming out of the box. He has shipped it but I will be returning it unopened. I appreciate that he has a full refund policy if the box if unopened.
Jeff - I used the Sony HVL-LBP (exactly same size and weight) on both my FX1 and V1U and didn't find it a problem - you can use the 770 battery and get about an hour to an hour and a half out of it. I now use the Comer 1800 on my Sony PMW-EX1 and have no problem although I am using the Hoodman Wrist Shot -
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and found that it works quite well in freeing up your left hand for manual adjustments to the camera.

I did try the Litepanels MicroPro and ended up sending it back - the beam is much narrower than the Comer 1800 and the light output is much less than the Comer.
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Old July 4th, 2009, 12:48 PM   #33
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Thanks for the info Barry.

I might try the light out, it really seems to be the best bang for the buck.
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Old July 4th, 2009, 01:05 PM   #34
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Jeff - I used the Sony HVL-LBP (exactly same size and weight) on both my FX1 and V1U and didn't find it a problem - you can use the 770 battery and get about an hour to an hour and a half out of it. I now use the Comer 1800 on my Sony PMW-EX1 and have no problem although I am using the Hoodman Wrist Shot -
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and found that it works quite well in freeing up your left hand for manual adjustments to the camera.

I did try the Litepanels MicroPro and ended up sending it back - the beam is much narrower than the Comer 1800 and the light output is much less than the Comer.
Barry, do you have any video comparing the Comer 1800 and the Litepanels MicroPro? I'd be curious to see the difference, especially since the MicroPro is about $70 more expensive.
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Old July 4th, 2009, 01:40 PM   #35
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If you go to youtube you can find videos if you do a search. What I saw yesterday evening was not impressive at all.
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Old July 4th, 2009, 01:59 PM   #36
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It seems it doesn’t matter what product you buy, there are concessions to be made somewhere. We continually strive to put out better video and sometimes that means having to be inconvenienced at times. I was carrying around S-VHS tapes at one point. That was a hassle. I’ll give you my report once my light comes in.

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The condensor lens trick is when you apply the condensor lens but leave approximately a 15 degree angle between the lens and the light, which intensifies the spotlight effect and generates more power into a smaller space. If you look at Taky's video, he provides a good example of how it works.
So, I presume, that this condensor lens is part of the Comer 1800 light then.

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Old July 4th, 2009, 03:45 PM   #38
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Barry, do you have any video comparing the Comer 1800 and the Litepanels MicroPro? I'd be curious to see the difference, especially since the MicroPro is about $70 more expensive.
I don't have a video comparing them directly - at the time I shot my first comparison I compared the Sony HVL-LBP and the MicroPro - it (the MicroPro) really didn't put out much more light and, using the condenser lens on the Sony, it was much less bright + the beam field with the MicroPro was much narrower than the Sony. I then sent the MicroPro back and bought the Comer 1800 and compared it to the Sony light under the exact same conditions as the previous test and there was no comparison - at least 2-3 times the light output of the Sony. I then sent the Sony back for resale with BHphotovideo and bought a second Comer!
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Old July 4th, 2009, 04:28 PM   #39
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That is a pretty good breakdown, thanks for sharing Barry.
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Old July 5th, 2009, 09:29 AM   #40
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So, I presume, that this condensor lens is part of the Comer 1800 light then.

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Yes, the condensor lens is attached to the bottom of the light and flips up when you want to apply it (see images on page 2). It has small magnifiers for each of the 10 LEDs that turn them into a strong spotlight.

On a side note, my recent battery test has this light running 188 minutes at full power on a Sony NPF-970! Thats 48 minutes longer than the Comer brochure states that the light would run.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/photon-ma...tery-test.html
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Old July 6th, 2009, 10:48 PM   #41
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I’m not used to posting any pictures so hopefully this helps. I haven’t had time to really mess with the Comer 1800 Light but on initial try out, it clearly is superior to the other 2 lights. I shot at aperture 3.4, shutter 60, manual WB. I shot at 5 feet and 10 feet. Giving the Sony 10/20 the benefit of the doubt, it was turned sideways. I’m so busy right now but hopefully this is enough to help anyone interested. I’ll shoot with it this weekend and will give more feedback.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/members/r...0-20-light.jpg

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/members/r...wit-5-feet.jpg

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/members/r...omer-5feet.jpg

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/members/r...it-10-feet.jpg

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/members/r...er-10-feet.jpg

The order of quality was Comer 1800, Swit 2010 and Sony 10/20 clearly last.
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Old July 7th, 2009, 01:16 AM   #42
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The Comer is the clear champ, quite a light.

Thank you Rob, nice work.
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Old July 7th, 2009, 09:05 AM   #43
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Thanks Jeff, I hope it helps. One of the things I didn't mention was that the room was completely dark. Also, all the lights were at full intensity. The Comer 1800 was actually too bright at 5', even with the filter, but I didn't want to change the aperture on the camera or dim the light in order the keep everything the same. From what I've seen so far, this is going to be an awesome light.
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I dont feel bad about the Sony 10/20w for the money....
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Old July 7th, 2009, 10:49 AM   #45
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For $90 its certainly OK. The Sima SL 20 is somewhat close and costs only $35 and weighs almost nothing, and is self charging. It does have a slight cast to it though. The Comer from what we're seeing in photos and video samples kills the others.
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