Adobe Premiere discussions from 2003

Jesper Hallen · July 1st, 2003, 04:57 PM

Thanks! I will go for your advices and see if it works. And then I will throw Premiere far away out in the desert somewhere and go for Vegas=)

Glen Elliott · July 1st, 2003, 06:44 PM

I forgot to tell you how to delete your preference file- while loading premiere hold down ALT+CTRL+SHIFT...once you get in there all your settings are back at default but you can go back and set them back up again.

John Iler · July 10th, 2003, 07:44 AM

I've been thinking about upgrading from Premiere 6.02 to 6.5, but if I did, would I have to pay again to upgrade to PRO? I called Adobe and they said if I ordered 6.5 now, that they'd upgrade me to PRO for free when it came out. If I order from them, I was told, no documentation would be necessary. If I ordered from buy.com, I'd have to send them a copy of the receipt.

One of my biggest gripes is that Adobe's "try-out" download is still Version 6.0, not 6.5 -- so there's no way for me to try out the new features. Also, Adobe won't let you order by credit card and download the update. You have to pay shipping and wait.

What is it about them? Very little of this makes sense. I've also heard a lot about instability and this product, but don't seem to have many problems with 6.0. At this point, the DV encoder (to DVD) is a major selling point. The titling stuff I can master later.

Nigel Moore · July 10th, 2003, 08:03 AM

I think many of the instability issues relate to the mongrels of edit systems out there. To some extent Adobe have tried to address this by limiting Pro to XP, and therefore newer hardware.

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I've been thinking about upgrading from Premiere 6.02 to 6.5, but if I did, would I have to pay again to upgrade to PRO? I called Adobe and they said if I ordered 6.5 now, that they'd upgrade me to PRO for free when it came out.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but haven't you answered your own question there? Just make sure that when Adobe say that they will upgrade you for free that they aren't referring to you buying the full version of 6.5 now. AFAIK, free upgrades only relate to purchases of the full product.

Rob Wilson · July 10th, 2003, 10:17 AM

John,

If you're interested, I've got a unopened in the box copy of 6.5 I'd be glad to sell cheap (came with my Matrox RTX100). With it, you could just buy the upgrade to pro ($199). Contact me offline for more info. BTW, I'm upgrading as soon as it's available. Really looking forward to the increased functionallity.

John Iler · July 10th, 2003, 12:07 PM

Rob: Just called Adobe again and the woman yesterday gave me bum dope. She said the 6.5-7 upgrade would be free. The fellow I just spoke with said the price of upgrading from 6.0 or 6.5 is the same: $199. He said upgrading to 6.5 is $146.

He also said Premiere 7 has been "completely rewritten" and that .avi files from DV camcorders can be readily converted to MPEG-2 with little or no image loss. He did say that 1 gig or more of memory was recommended for the PRO version. He also said the new version has none of the instability issues of the older versions.

Reckon I'll hold on and upgrade to the PRO version when it's available.

Mark Moore · July 10th, 2003, 04:23 PM

John - I want to make sure I understand.

If you own 6.0 (which I do), then you can upgrade to 7.0 for $199? If so, that's exactly what I'm going to do!

Thanks for doing the research!

K. Forman · July 10th, 2003, 04:33 PM

That is the way Adobe explains it. However, LE versions are not available for the upgrade. Go figure :)

Mark Moore · July 10th, 2003, 04:45 PM

I don't think I have LE (I'll have to see when I get home). I assume that is a "light" version?

Thanks for the confirmation though.

K. Forman · July 10th, 2003, 05:06 PM

Correct. It is the cheapie limited version.

Nigel Moore · July 11th, 2003, 03:59 AM

You can upgrade from LE, it's $399:

http://www.adobe.com/store/products/...?id=PRupgrades

Rob Lohman · July 11th, 2003, 04:43 AM

First you have to decide what your target output is:

1. download/view for the web
This would mean QuickTime, mpeg or DiVX for example

2. DVD/vcd/svcd
This means mpeg2 or 1

3. Back to tape
Leave it in AVI/DV

AVI, WMV and QuickTime are just container formats. They are
there to store digital video & audio but don't know HOW to store
it. Codecs tell the container format HOW the information is stored.
MPEG is both a container AND codec format.

AVI can be uncompressed, rle compressed, DV or you can use third
party codecs like DiVX/XviD.

QuickTime has codecs like MPEG4, Sorenson etc.

If you know in which way you want to use your movie you can
then choose an approriate container format and codec.

Rob Lohman · July 11th, 2003, 06:24 AM

I've been playing with Vegas 4 lately and it seems to like my
XL1s pretty much. Do try out their demo at www.sonicfoundry.com

Rob Lohman · July 11th, 2003, 06:27 AM

I don't know of anyone using real with Premiere. Most people
output to QuickTime for the web (this seems to be right seeing
that no-one responded to your question).

One thing I learned with the Lady X project I'm involved in, is
that good web output takes a lot of trials and testing before
you get it acceptable. Not a thing to rush!

K. Forman · July 11th, 2003, 08:35 AM

I normally export to web using either Windows Media or Quicktime. I never liked Real's players, which is why I stick to those two. All I can tell you, is to use Cleaner, if it is an option, and experiment.

July 1st, 2003, 04:57 PM	#361
Jesper Hallen Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gothenburg, EU Posts: 35	Thanks! I will go for your advices and see if it works. And then I will throw Premiere far away out in the desert somewhere and go for Vegas=) __________________ - jeha!

July 10th, 2003, 07:44 AM	#363
John Iler New Boot Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bethesda, MD Posts: 22	Upgrading to Premiere Pro I've been thinking about upgrading from Premiere 6.02 to 6.5, but if I did, would I have to pay again to upgrade to PRO? I called Adobe and they said if I ordered 6.5 now, that they'd upgrade me to PRO for free when it came out. If I order from them, I was told, no documentation would be necessary. If I ordered from buy.com, I'd have to send them a copy of the receipt. One of my biggest gripes is that Adobe's "try-out" download is still Version 6.0, not 6.5 -- so there's no way for me to try out the new features. Also, Adobe won't let you order by credit card and download the update. You have to pay shipping and wait. What is it about them? Very little of this makes sense. I've also heard a lot about instability and this product, but don't seem to have many problems with 6.0. At this point, the DV encoder (to DVD) is a major selling point. The titling stuff I can master later.

July 10th, 2003, 12:07 PM	#366
John Iler New Boot Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bethesda, MD Posts: 22	Premiere Update Rob: Just called Adobe again and the woman yesterday gave me bum dope. She said the 6.5-7 upgrade would be free. The fellow I just spoke with said the price of upgrading from 6.0 or 6.5 is the same: $199. He said upgrading to 6.5 is $146. He also said Premiere 7 has been "completely rewritten" and that .avi files from DV camcorders can be readily converted to MPEG-2 with little or no image loss. He did say that 1 gig or more of memory was recommended for the PRO version. He also said the new version has none of the instability issues of the older versions. Reckon I'll hold on and upgrade to the PRO version when it's available.

July 10th, 2003, 04:23 PM	#367
Mark Moore Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 301	John - I want to make sure I understand. If you own 6.0 (which I do), then you can upgrade to 7.0 for $199? If so, that's exactly what I'm going to do! Thanks for doing the research! __________________ Mark Moore Sugar Free Productions

July 10th, 2003, 04:45 PM	#369
Mark Moore Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 301	I don't think I have LE (I'll have to see when I get home). I assume that is a "light" version? Thanks for the confirmation though. __________________ Mark Moore Sugar Free Productions

July 1st, 2003, 06:44 PM	#362
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	I forgot to tell you how to delete your preference file- while loading premiere hold down ALT+CTRL+SHIFT...once you get in there all your settings are back at default but you can go back and set them back up again.

July 10th, 2003, 10:17 AM	#365
Rob Wilson Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Flagstaff, AZ Posts: 473	John, If you're interested, I've got a unopened in the box copy of 6.5 I'd be glad to sell cheap (came with my Matrox RTX100). With it, you could just buy the upgrade to pro ($199). Contact me offline for more info. BTW, I'm upgrading as soon as it's available. Really looking forward to the increased functionallity.

July 10th, 2003, 04:33 PM	#368
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	That is the way Adobe explains it. However, LE versions are not available for the upgrade. Go figure :)

July 10th, 2003, 05:06 PM	#370
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	Correct. It is the cheapie limited version.

July 11th, 2003, 03:59 AM	#371
Nigel Moore Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 358	You can upgrade from LE, it's $399: http://www.adobe.com/store/products/...?id=PRupgrades

July 11th, 2003, 04:43 AM	#372
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	First you have to decide what your target output is: 1. download/view for the web This would mean QuickTime, mpeg or DiVX for example 2. DVD/vcd/svcd This means mpeg2 or 1 3. Back to tape Leave it in AVI/DV AVI, WMV and QuickTime are just container formats. They are there to store digital video & audio but don't know HOW to store it. Codecs tell the container format HOW the information is stored. MPEG is both a container AND codec format. AVI can be uncompressed, rle compressed, DV or you can use third party codecs like DiVX/XviD. QuickTime has codecs like MPEG4, Sorenson etc. If you know in which way you want to use your movie you can then choose an approriate container format and codec. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 11th, 2003, 06:24 AM	#373
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I've been playing with Vegas 4 lately and it seems to like my XL1s pretty much. Do try out their demo at www.sonicfoundry.com __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 11th, 2003, 06:27 AM	#374
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I don't know of anyone using real with Premiere. Most people output to QuickTime for the web (this seems to be right seeing that no-one responded to your question). One thing I learned with the Lady X project I'm involved in, is that good web output takes a lot of trials and testing before you get it acceptable. Not a thing to rush! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 11th, 2003, 08:35 AM	#375
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	I normally export to web using either Windows Media or Quicktime. I never liked Real's players, which is why I stick to those two. All I can tell you, is to use Cleaner, if it is an option, and experiment.