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Interestingly Editshare decided to go with what they term as an annual lease or subscription for the Pro version of Lightworks. This gets you the annual license to use commercial codecs and other features, if you don't renew you can continue to use the free version. Many users use third party transcoding software with the free version, so it's never been an issue for them.

To date there hasn't been many complaints, although if you don't want to buy into this method I guess you don't get involved. In pure cost terms the Lightworks model does make sense for the user. However, you do need other software like AE if you want heavy duty effects work, since Lightworks is primarily an editing program with more limited range of effects.

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Piracy has nothing to do with it. New versions will be cracked and out there within a week as usual.

This is all about stopping revenue spikes around new releases and stopping people hanging onto old versions without upgrading. It also does away with retailers who want their cut.

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Rumour has it a future update to Windows 8 may back off from the touch screen approach and give more of a traditional Windows feel. It seems when customers vote with their wallets, large corporations do listen.

Meanwhile people would do well to note that the apps in the "Cloud" are still the same as CS6. So don't get sucked in by Adobe's special offers as you'll pay paying twice for the same thing if you already have CS6. Yes there are some extras but your basic Premiere etc hasn't been updated as far as I can see.

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Also stops you shopping around for the best deal. I bought a new anti virus program disk on line from a well known retailer, rather than downloading directly from the maker, there was quite a price difference.

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Actually, Marcus I did not write that line in your post two above this about future Windows evolution/the way it's going. You have miss-quoted me somehow....

That's not to say I don't agree with it - I just don't want to be accused of stealing others thoughts!!!! ;-)

All a great discussion, by the way. Just hope Adobe reads it (but I doubt it'll change their path).

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Sorry Andy. No idea how that happened!

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The quote came from the penultimate paragraph of my post #39.

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Here's an interesting read:

Adobe is killing Creative Suite; here’s why

Includes an interview with Scott Morris, Adobe’s director of product marketing.

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It says "they will all be transitioning from bought-and-owned software at $200 or $700 or $2,000 a pop to the Creative Cloud subscription model, which can cost as little as $20 per month."

But according to the EU prices if I only want to get Premiere I"m paying for a full version every 3 years and if I stop "renting" I"m left with nothing. It actually means once you are using the creative cloud you are locked for life, stop paying the subscription and you can't open any older projects anymore. Adobe is trying to make it sound much better then it is.

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What this all means is that Adobe will cease development of new Creative Suite programs for retail boxed distribution. The current CS6 releases will continue to be supported with future critical bug fixes for the time being. Some of the cool new features in the Creative Cloud-only programs will eventually filter down to the Elements programs, which will continue to have new boxed retail releases for the time being.

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But couldn't you just pay for a 1 month subscription when you want to open an old project in the future?

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Yes ok, but just the thought you have to pay extra each month you want to open a older project is plain ridiculous. If you would change to another nle you will have a lifetime subscription with adobe anyway anytime you need access to a older project.

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But you'd still have CS6 installed. Wouldn't you?

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would that version be able to open any projects made with the newer "cloud" versions?

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I think the best solution here is to hang on with CS6 and wait and see what happens. If Adobe start to see people not upgrading they may back down.

There is no compelling reason to use their cloud software right now. Perhaps in a year or two time they may have killer features in there. Or, you know, they may have even worked out the AVCHD bugs from Premiere (stop laughing!).

It's all about delivering results for their shareholders. If the leasing model doesn't perform as promised heads will roll and they'll have to rethink. Those of us already on CS6 can afford to sit tight as the "special offers" to entice us to the new offering aren't so special when you realise you are "upgrading" to the same versions of Premiere etc.

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the problem is not to pay, but how to pay ?
do you have to charge your credit card every month, do you give Adobe rights to renew and charge your card unless you say stop. and if you have no credit card, or only a personal one and want to charge a company account ? can you purchase one year in advance ?

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There's wisdom in the madness. The new business model likely gets Adobe off the hook over product liability fitness for purpose issues outside of the US. It might just leave the company wide-open for breach of contract class action in event of a major prolonged crashdown no matter what the clever lawyers have put into the small print. It is a whole different beast to an end-user licence agreement.

I anticipate that re-activation of existing licences after clean re-installs will be disabled sooner than later in order to put the cattle-zapper to the butts of the cashcows to get them moving. I have been twice caught out with software providers getting out of the game and no longer supporting existing product that has been locked up with activation codes. I remain majorly hostile about it.

I have been a buyer and user of Adobe since the original Premiere v6 way back when and have been a skip version upgrader since. I have not gone the hack route.

This move by Adobe could be the greatest ever incentive for previously honest people to use the hack for CS6, if for no other reason than to get a vindictive kick in before departing the bar. Loyalty works both ways. People do not have such short memories as to forget CS4. Trust and respect are earned, not demanded.

For myself, when Linux, Resolve, Cinelarra and Cineform are able to cohabit with acceptable functionality, that is where I shall be headed. In the meantime, I shall stock up on computer parts to keep my existing rig enduring for as long as possible.

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I have bit the bullet and purchased a year's worth of Creative Cloud.

I actually welcome this system. I understand there might be teething pains, and I'm sure to grow a few white hairs dealing with service, but it seems every aspect of life has this problem nowadays.

Will Adobe raise prices after the year is up? I assume so, for my own sake and sanity. It's up to me to justify the expense, which is still cheaper than buying a whole boxed suite. When I compare it to an Autodesk Flame or an Avid system, the price is cheap.

Will I have problems with Adobe authentication? Sure, I expect so. Why? I have had problems with google, gmail, facebook, hotmail and yahoo, too. This is a fact of life now.

Am I concerned about privacy? Not really. I don't have to upload my files to the cloud if I don't want to. But if I want to, I can, which sounds cool. The Adobe Anywhere idea sounds cool.

Am I locked in to Adobe? Yes and no. It's a business, not a marriage. If I earn my money with Adobe, I can continue the business.

Do I trust Adobe? No. I've used Adobe since the beginning of my career 12 years ago. I know it like the back of my hand, but I don't trust them. Why should I? It's just a tool. If it doesn't work, I'll move on. As far as I'm concerned I'm taking an acceptable risk. Actually, all things considered, it's not risky at all.

Will the software work? I hope so. Even an installed boxed version can develop snags. That's why there is tech support. Will they help? Maybe, if you make a hundred calls. Factor that into your head before you begin, and it will seem okay. It's out of my control, so why worry about it?

I can use it on my mac and pc, and any other system I want, as long as I don't use it at the same time. I have no clue how Adobe will know I'm using it at the same time. Maybe they don't, but if they catch you they might terminate the agreement. That's a risk they're taking, which seems like a big risk.

All things considered, I think it will work out for me. Adobe has always delivered, so I have no cause for concern. Will it end in disaster? If yes, so what? My office could burn down, I might meet with an accident, or my clients might stop answering my calls. There are bigger problems in life than software.

I'll definitely post my experiences in the coming months. Expect a lot of twists and turns. I am.

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I think that in a week from now, when the shock has worn off, a lot of people are going to have second thoughts and sign up. Unless I am missing something, I am pretty sure I'll give the discounted first year a try.

Every so often I have to use Photoshop CS4 on a buddy's laptop. I hate it! In fact I hate having to cope with ACR6 and Photoshop CS5. I'm using Photoshop as meter here, because I still know it a lot better than Premiere Pro, and way better than After Effects, but I must have saved countless hours with some of the cool new tools from the last two or three upgrades. I just asked in a DPReview discussion how long it takes to earn $600 (the cost of the CC for a year) Surely most people could do that in a day?

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I wonder if cameras could ever do this. I mean, implement some firmware into the camera so
that it quits working if you don't pay your monthly fee. Then they could price it at say $500 a month.
I mean you have to upgrade your camera every year anyways when a new one comes out right?
This way, you could get all the new improvements that the new model has, without now feeling
that your camera is obsolete. Maybe Red could try and implement something like this to
truly make their motto true, once and for all.....
(Yes people, I am kidding).

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I just received an e-mail from CVP, my UK supplier. The Production Premium CS5.5 upgrade to CS6 is not available as a boxed item any more - Adobe apparently only do it by download now - and they have just sent me the link.

So there goes my plan to have a boxed version with a disc for future safe keeping (my CS5.5 came in a box)...

This is actually for a Mac build I will be doing in a few weeks time (different configuration - OS version and HDD - to the one I'm on now)....when I'm less busy.

Am I right in assuming I can download the software upgrade (on my current Mac Pro) and just burn that to disc (without opening) for safe keeping/use in the future??? Any gotchas with doing this???

Sorry if it sounds like a silly question but this whole thing has really ruffled me. I'm very busy with client work and really did not want to be dealing with something like this right now.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

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Andy,

You can archive the downloaded files to disk. Just make sure that you do not lose any of the product or activation keys that you receive from Adobe for the CS6.

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Aren't Apple some way down this route with their sealed-in batteries that make replacement as expensive as upgrading in some cases?

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Thank you!

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Anyone know how the CC works with machine installations?

Under CS I can install it on two machines and use them simultaneously. Will the same be true under the CC platform?

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Under CS you can install it on two machines, but you CANNOT legally use both at once, and both installation must be on the same platform (i.e. Windows OR Apple).

Under CC Adobe are not sure, some say one installation only, but other voices are saying two installations which can be used simultaneously and need not be on the same platform.

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I guess I didn't realize you couldn't run two at the same time legally. I do that all the time in my office, generally exporting something from one machine while editing on another.

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I was sure that with the Cloud you could use both platforms. That was one of the advantages.

What is concerning me is that I only have 50Gb left on my SSD C: drive, and I definitely don't want to uninstall my CS6 apps. :-( There is so much space taken up by hidden folders that are not easily relocated. Looks like a bit of Google time coming up.

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Adobe have clarified you can have two installs, but can't run them at the same time. Same arrangement as now basically.

Now if only every plug in would also do the same!

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Havent read the whole five pages, so i apologize if this has already been said. For those who edit for a living (i.e. its a huge part or all of what they do), this is pretty cool. For people like me who only edit occasionally for pay, it makes no financial sense and kind of blows.

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I've been running CC since it first came out. I also run CS6 Production Premium. I use CS6 on my main editing computer, and the second copy of CS6 on my laptop. I wanted to run the Adobe Suite on a third computer, and decided to try CC; it was more cost effective for me than buying anther CS6 license.

In many ways there is little difference between the two; except with CC I've hogged up and installed almost every program. The only program beyond Production Premium I extensively use is Acrobat XI Pro; I do plan to use all the web tools but have not had time for that so far. I also like that they added Lightroom so upgrades come along with CC, as I'm a big Lightroom user.

I do have a warning, or perhaps a best practice. If you want to run both CS6 and CC (on different computers) - it is very important to get a new Adobe account for CC. The problem if you don't, when CS6 checks into Adobe for updates, Adobe looks at your account and sees your CC license and assumes your CS6 installation is really CC, and converts it over to the CC license. This might be a good idea if you only run two computers, but not if you want to run three or four computers on two licenses. When this happens you need to contact Adobe support and get one of the licenses moved to another account. Seems kind of dumb but that's the way it works.

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I have been waffling over whether to buy the latest offer from Sony for Vegas Pro Suite for a discount. This move from Adobe made me decide to buy from Sony. Need I say anymore? Adobe? Do you miss my money yet?

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I don't think they will back from this CC but I hope they offer to the change for a fixed purchase fee when they start reading all the bad press.

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What keeps surprising me this far into the CC news, is that so many people are still getting it so very wrong. I keep seeing wrong pricing, like people think they will have to pay $600 a year just for Photoshop, or that they'll never be able to return to CS6 if they don't like the CC in a years time. I wish there was a page somewhere that that had all the 'facts' laid out in unambiguous language. Anything to rid us of this mass hysteria. My greatest fear is that Adobe will withdraw the offer, because it a great deal IMO, and I can't wait for the new CC apps to be released. I'll be signing up for sure.

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Here is a great start: Adobe Creative Cloud - FAQ

Here is an interview with Bill Roberts, Director, Audio/Video Product Management, Adobe Systems, Inc: Digital Production Buzz - May 9, 2013

All of the misunderstandings are adressed on both pages, such as:
"You are not forced to update when an update is released", "All applications are installed locally", "Storing anything in the cloud is optional and you are not forced to store anything in the cloud", "You don't need to be connected to the net to launch applications", "None of your project files are deleted when/if you opt out for CC", "None of your project files or footage are stored in the cloud by default", "All exports are done to a local hard drive", etc.

All the best, Roger

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Anyone from outside the US thought about purchasing the PrePaid card?

Amazon.com: Adobe Creative Cloud Membership 12 Month Pre-Paid Membership Product Key Card: Software

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Hi Gabe,
I see this complaint about the future of Creative Cloud lately; that innovation will slow down, etc. From where I sit, this is not the case at all. In fact, innovation is ramping up. We must continue to innovate to please our current customers, and to provide incentive for others to join the Creative Cloud.

Thanks,
Kevin

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Under the former EULA, you can install the software on two computers, but were are only supposed to run one at a time.

Under the new EULA (which will be released with the software), you will be able to install it on two computers and run applications on both computers concurrently. Further, if you have more machines, you can install the software on them, and then activate and deactivate them as you like.

See the FAQ here: Adobe Creative Cloud ? FAQ

From the Getting Started section:
Yes, you can use Creative Cloud desktop applications on two computers at once, regardless of operating system, for the individual associated with the Creative Cloud membership. See the product license agreements page for more information.

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Whoever said that was incorrect. You can now operate the software on two computers at the same time, see the FAQ here: Adobe Creative Cloud ? FAQ

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You can use them at the same time with the new EULA coming out. See the FAQ "Getting Started" section which states you can do this: Adobe Creative Cloud ? FAQ

Thanks for your post. It was a fair, realistic and thoughtful viewpoint, in my opinion. I hope you will find that Creative Cloud works well for you.