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I first thought their new model would be impossible to crack as you needed to be online to use it but what I understand now you just physically install it on your harddrive anyway and you only need to connect to the internet on regular intervals to keep it working? If that's the case you can be sure it will be pirated anyway, I"m sure this is not to adobe's concern because whoever is using pirated copies would never get into a subscription model anyway so there is nothing to gain or lose. Their subscription model is just to get a constant monthly cash flow instead of getting peaks whenever a new version is released. I don't necessarily dislike this model but I don't like the fact that you never own the software, when you stop paying you can't use it anymore. For virusscans you also have a yearly subscription model to be updated but if you stop paying you can still use the software, you only won't get any updated virusdefinitions, this I think is a much more fair solution, you at least can continue using it but you know you will be less protected but that'"s a choice you can make, adobe doesn't give you a choice.

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The software lives on your computer but still has to ping the server with a valid account in order to open. How do you see that as easy to crack Noa?

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That should not be any problem for a hacker. The ping gives a response, all you need to do is intercept it and modify it to your liking, or Adobe's liking, and send back a valid response. Done.

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Well there you go :)

I don't want to turn this thread into a how to crack adobe's software, I just think Adobe is not that concerned about that too much, like I said, people that always have used a pirated copy will never buy a subscription, they"ll just look until they get a cracked copy or just get a cracked copy from another NLE. This is not Adobe's target audience, to them they are just parasites that will always be there and they have been used to live with them. Adobe has worked really hard to make excellent applications that a lot of professional people can't live without anymore, the subscription is just another way to tie these people to them permanently. It's just a business decision, partially to make everyone's lives easier but mainly to generate income, just like apple did when they killed fcp and gave fcpx to the community instead, only Apple is not aiming at the pro user, they know better where the money is at. :)

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I on the other hand am immediately jumping from Adobe as I see
this as a huge deal and am jumping back to Apple whom I left when
they made an entirely new kind of NLE. But I'd rather learn
a whole new NLE than pay monthly. And quite frankly, Apple
has released a ton of updates and made FCP X quite a bit better.

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I used Youtube for the first time in a long time to upload for a client. (More of a Vimeo fan myself). I noticed all the offerings & enhancements they have now, color correction, shakiness stabilizer, video editor etc... Although I didn't really check them out, tho I peaked at the color corrector, pretty cool, kinda does Instagram/Magic Bullet preset type stuff, anyway it's becoming almost Premiere/FCP Light. I wonder if the talk from Google is to eventually grow Youtube into an online video editing source, and maybe Adobe has the forsight to battle it.

Amidst other things, piracy, profit etc...

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Piracy affects cash flow. It goes into Adobe's and for that matter, every SW developer's decision making.

I signed the change.org petition.

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I think Adobe is now by far the most expensive editing suite, and with Avid's price going down and all the new features in their last update, it's the first time I ever thought learning Avid might be a good thing to do...

I mean I am not a professional editor, but I still want an NLE at home to edit my private stuff - and with the monthly paiment Adobe has just become too expensive for me as a private user. I mean before I could buy a package and use it indefinitely until I really needed an upgrade - this is now over.

Final Cut Pro X would be a good choice because of the low price, but I don't want to buy a Mac. I use them at work, but I don't really like their hardware choices.

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An interesting article has popped up regarding the Terms of Service that comes with CC. It's all 'Adobe' and no 'you'.

MPG blog - Adobe Creative Cloud: Lopsided Legal Agreement

Andrew

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No offense but if you believe that you're a dreamer. Obviously, as you mentioned, you've been stealing the software,so you know the reason people pirate software is pricing. There will be more people spending more time to crack this fiasco. You really have to look at the potential problem and risk. If people don't stand up to this now though, Adobe will have you by the short hairs. The people making all the plug-ins are going to start feeling the pain as well. People will stay away from the them until all this is sorted out.

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Surely the plugin vendors are going to make use of the situation by trying to replicate some of the new features from CC with plugins for CS6?

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The assumptions regarding hacking their pay to play system are probably a bit on the naive side. It is unlikely the folks implementing the system are bumpkins just out of software engineering school. You are not dealing with a static system, but one that can require constant updates or updates at some periodicity, e.g. under the guise of "security". Some or all communications can be encrypted, so you wouldn't know the correct response to send unless you hacked the machine code or watched the registers and code execution to see how the decryption works. Much effort could be put into hacking something only to have the methodology change on a forced update, e.g. the application knows that it has to retrieve a specific package. There is also the possibility that deceptive code can be placed in the verification engine to look for behavior that is unexpected and shut things down permanently. Bruce Schneier says that ultimately there is no security and any system can be compromised. However, at what cost? Additionally, risk mitigation has its cost as well, and that cost can be reflected in system stability, software cost, etc.

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Not necessary to crack the cloud, just pickup a pirated copy of CS6, which I've seen going for $4.00.

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Or you could, you know, do the right thing and get a legitimate copy of CS6 and just stay put until Creative Cloud seems worthwhile to you.

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A quick count showed 38 titles included in the Creative Cloud package . It would be cheaper to pay Adobe.

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Gary,

I think you're taking that out of context. The discussion was about how effective the cloud version will be at preventing piracy. Some seem to think it will help control it and others are sure (as I am) that it's just a matter of time before someone cracks the cloud. So, my comment was in regard to those individuals who would get a cracked copy of the cloud if/when it comes out. They will not be thwarted as long as they can get a pirated DVD copy of CS 6 (or 2, 3,4,5, 5.5 for that matter).

I purchased a copy of CS 5.5 Production Premium and Lightroom (and then received a free upgrade to 6) about a year ago. Where exactly one would purchase a stand-alone version of CS6 now, I don't know, Adobe ain't selling it; hence all the ruckus here about it. No longer have a choice.

Does anyone really believe that all the illegal users will now sign up for the cloud, because that's what they all wanted all along, to rent the software at $600/year? I only use about 4 of the programs in the suite. Getting a bunch more stuff I will never use, like web-site development tools, doesn't sweeten the deal. If my CS6 stops working, I'll expect a refund from Adobe and then go back to something like GIMP for photo editing and keep using Sony Vegas Pro for video.

Mark

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Everyone who uses "warez" or downloads software intended to defeat protection schemes is at very high risk of being "0wned" by agents responsible for distributing spam, child pornography, and other criminal activities. Those interested in performing corporate espionage on the behalf of foreign businesses and governments don't need to crack the network, they only need to find a manager trying to save the company a couple of bucks on their software.

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Exactly. Someone who is smart enough to defeat the protection mechanisms on Adobe software is also smart enough to insert their own money making / spyware code in to the software.

So I'm sticking with my legit non-cloud CS6 until someone at Adobe sees the light.

Andrew

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I think it will curb casual piracy of the "Hey, can I borrow your copy of Photoshop?" variety but there's already a workaround for the fully function demos and it's been around for years. Basically you replace a small file (can't remember which one) with a modified version you download and it tricks the countdown/date portion of the software into never hitting the 30 day limit.

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I think it will be dark years ahead for you :) As long as cs6 does the job it will serve you for a longer time unless Adobe comes out with new features that would make your life a lot easier and then you can either join or leave them. Who know's by then many others will have followed their cloud approach.

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Given the lifespan of Windows XP, I think Win 7 will be good for another ten years.

I don't feel the need to go to 4k or anything else beyond HD. CS6 really is a very mature sweet spot for me. I can live without the coolness of the Lumetri colour engine, and I've already got SpeedGrade if I really want to use it.

If I was forgoing the upgrade from CS5 to CS6 I might not be as content. :-)

Andrew

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There are no features and no amount of programs that will ever get me to subscribe to software or to Adobe's Cash Cow at any price.

Adobe has lost this life long customer among many others. They are hoping people will cave in over time and return - It's not going to happen.

I'm simply going to their competitor's software where there are upgrades and no subscription service.

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Yeah, I switched to CS 6 from FCP 7. I'm going to
FCP X or Media composer. Adobe could come out
with a NLE that sliced bread and made chocolate chip
cookies and I wouldn't subscribe. They had a chance
to make me a lifetime customer. This subscription
idiocy lost me. I will never, ever, ever subscribe.
I'd use iMovie before I subscribe to creative cloud.

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We are very happy with Creative Cloud & have been using it for the last 12 months. We had a cheap deal as we already had CS5.5 so it's been about £37/month for the last year. I was not looking forward paying full price this coming year but have had a nice present from Adobe. They are offering CC to CS6 users for a bit over £17/month & as I got a free upgrade from CS5.5 to CS6 I am now in the happy position of paying less than half what we did last year. Of course the crunch will come in another 12 months but TBH for a professional if you can't afford £50/month for what Creative Cloud gives you then you really need to take a look at how your business is doing.

We are refugees from FCP7 (Premiere Pro, After Effects, Encore & Audition) & aside from video we also do photography (Photoshop & Lightroom) plus web development (Muse, Fireworks, Dreamweaver) & DTP (In Design & Illustrator) plus there are all those other bits & pieces that look interesting & useful (Acrobat Pro, Edge Animate, Prelude etc). We are really looking forward to all the new features in the new versions that are released on June 17th.

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As regard plug-ins, people are not going to be happy if they buy into CC and their expensive Topaz, Perfect Suite, Nik etc. plugins no longer work. My goodness. Just think how that would go down after the already negative reaction to CC.

Regards to the better reaction on this forum, I guess most videographers would be using Premiere Pro, Photoshop, After Effects, Audition and probably more apps, so a CC subscription is going to work out well for them.

In New Zealand and Australia, we are going to be saving a bunch of dollars with CC because we are finally rid of Adobe's price gouging, and will be paying a near identical price to American subscribers. I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year at the same time as having access to a lot more applications.

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I think I'm with a few other members on this site. If it were not for Premiere, AE and PhotoShop, I wouldn't use Adobe at all. I have been using Premiere since the horses were runing across the the box it came in. I have never used anything other than Adobe, regardless if it crashed my system continuously or changed the suite moments after I finually learned it. I'll probably be one of those who taps out, gives up and just pays the money, but dang it! If I do change it's going to be a long time this time. Look me up in 5 years. Until then, I'll be pushing CS5 down the road in a hand cart.

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Oh yeah. My Perfect Suite 7.1 isn't going to work. What about my Portrait Professional? Darn it!

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Trevor. I would not be too sure. With the AU$ heading down the tank, about 10% already, give or take, the same penalty will return soon enough. I doubt Adobe or Apple are going to reverse the previous policy of marking AU prices up when our dollar was high, into a compensatory markdown once the AU$ settles back to about US$0.65..

I am looking forward to a time when or if Blackmagic attach a complementing serious editor to Resolve.

However, a competitor with deep pockets, a takeover and shutdown of Blackmagic will soon take care of that. There's really no such thing as a free lunch and BM has outlived my expectations already. I hope they endure, achieve a dominant position and thus survive.

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Wondering how the Adobe servers are going to handle today's rollout of the new CC ...
Would seem a massive flow of 0's an 1's to accomplish thru the pipe.
Fingers crossed for them.

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Indeed, we shall see how well they handle what is sure to be a crush of downloads. According to info on the Adobe web site, it goes live at 8pm PDT (03:00 UTC on 18 June)...so no point in even trying until then.

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I'm not sure if it's what you have in mind but with Lightworks you can use Da Vinci not as plug in but as an export with AAF to Da Vinci. Perhaps not for everyone, but it's another option.

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I checked about half hour ago and the Cloud update is available.

No problem with downloads. First, the Adobe Application Manager (AAM) took a minute or two to update itself. On windows, it becomes a taskbar applet but you can also choose to have it as a windowed application, as before.

All my old CS6 applications showed up in AAM and then below them was the long list of new CC applications with "Install" buttons next to them. I'll get around to the rest later, but Photoshop CC took about 10 minutes to download and 5 minutes to install (on my Win 7 laptop i7 laptop -- decent machine but not my main editing box), while Premiere Pro CC took 8 minutes to download and roughly 4 minutes to install.

All seems good so far.

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Too early to tell how good this is, but the update process seemed easy. It let me install Premiere CC alongside my previous CC CS6 too, which takes a little of the worry away.

Edit: And a new option, synch settings to cloud so I can use my settings on another PC or just get 'em back if I upgrade or trash my PC. At least I think it's new. Neat.

Edit edit: damn, have to figure out how to get all my presets and preferences in from CS6...

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When opened, both Ps and Pr asked me if I wanted to import the CS6 settings into CC. I'd assume that is the software's standard. Did that not happen for you? I install a bunch of the other apps this evening and see if that's true for them as well.

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Don't think I've seen this mentioned here yet but there are reports on the web today (engadget plus one or two other video/film making sites) that Adobe are canvasing opinions in a survey relating to the idea of "adjusting" this new rental model.

Adobe releases latest Creative Cloud apps, surveys disgruntled customers about pricing

Seems the idea is some kind of "retained ownership" (my choice of words) of CS6/CC6 at the end of a 3-year period - I would assume with all the updates that come in that period. That would make a lot more sense to me, but let's see what develops when the surveys findings "bite".

I just installed CS6 Production Premium on my new, top-spec Retina MBP. It's a download copy bought a month or so back, not CC, as I'm 'm not going the rental route (unless the above changes things dramatically....).

Anyway, for now, CS6 seems to fly on that baby, and I've yet to optimise everything!

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Pete,

I didn't see that option. I might try again, or check the options. I can probably copy them in manually, but I wondered if there was a simple one-click way.

/Off to have a rummage

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I just read on the official Adobe forum that CC does NOT have Encore, or indeed anyway of authoring DVD or BluRay optical media.

That disappointing change came in under (at least my) radar...Seems the Creative Suite 6 version previously available on disc is as far as Adobe will take it.

Adobe Community: Never leave CS6. CC pricing sucks, but this is even worse...

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No complaints on the CC. $50 a month is not hard to swing at all.

Don't know why people are taking this as justification for jumping back to another product. If you were convinced to use another platform to produce then by all means. Cinema4D + AE integration is worth $50 a month to me alone.

Then there's Photoshop. And Illustrator. And Premiere... And...

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Is there any guarantee these prices remain the same or are they some introductory price to attract new subscribers and then to renew their pricing policy in a year or so?

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$100 a month for seamless Cinema4D -> AE integration, and I would still pay. You would have to be getting very few jobs a month not to justify $50 bucks. The total value of my gear depreciates more than that every month.