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Well, it might come to a point where you"d pay 1200 dollar every year and still don't own anything if you stop paying, that might be a reason why so many are complaining and going for another option, I also read about them removing encore from their line of products, so if I understand right that if you don't have a cs6 version now you have to find other solutions to make a dvd just because adobe thinks it's not necessary anymore? I read adobe can make this kind of decisions (removing a application from a cloud) when they feel like it and without anyone being able to do something about it, doesn't sound very reassuring to me in a production environment.

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$1 a month and I wouldn't pay. Has nothing to do with how many jobs someone is getting.

Most users don't want a subscription model period. Doesn't matter how many tools it opens up.
That's why so many users are leaving Adobe including me.

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The lock in with subscription services is all that worries me. With a purchase, I control everything. I also do lots of things - this week, for instance, I have not got any planned use of my Adobe products, BUT I am in the music studio and working in some theatres and a live music event. I need to be able to not touch software for sometimes months and then use it. Last week, I needed to do a very small job that saw me using an adobe product installed along side CS3! It was deleted in CS4 and Adobe stopped development. I can still use this product. On a subscription model, I could never guarantee this kind of thing. I have tons of paid for software spread across machines and rooms and on a pay per month basis, I could never afford to keep them all current. I'm on CS5, and sadly that is where I shall stay. When I need the next upgrade to my computer, I'll try to move it, but if the authorisation servers get switched off, then I will be off. I expect the model to be expanded, I don't think Adobe will change their minds.

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Giants like adobe and apple have the possibility to change peoples expectations and they have the luxury to make these kind of decisions which can change the way we work with their products, something a small company would never be able to do, I only hope this will not be a trend other manufacturers will be following. It is no secret Apple is no fan of dvd and blu-ray either and like Adobe they too see it all in the cloud with no physical delivery anymore. To be honest, my ideal world would also be to just press a upload button from right within my NLE and deliver every work I do to my clients pc in that way but it's not a good idea to force that upon users from one day to the next. It can take a long time for everyone to catch up and I think manufacturers like Apple and Adobe should at least provide an easy workable (and supported) solution during and after that transition period instead.

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This isn't quite as black as reported. As a Creative Cloud subscriber you can still download & install Premiere Pro CS6 which installs Encore CS6 (then remove PP if you want) Using Encore CS6 with PremierePro CC DAV's TechTable

I don't believe that Encore CS6 is any different to Encore CS5.5 or maybe even earlier so in terms of authoring functionality then I am happy to use the CS6 version but the downside is the Dynamic Linking from PP CC does not work for Encore CS6. This is a great feature if it works but has been so buggy that many/most people do not use it. I have been using it for the last couple of projects that I authored & it worked great so I was hoping that they would have fixed the bugs in a CC version but it's not to be evidently.

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But 3 years down the line the Adobe software has stagnated and you want to jump ship to Avid (in the same way FCP owners jumped to Premiere). But you still need to keep on paying Adobe so you can access your old projects.

It's lock in, pure and simple, to stop people jumping ship.

In the corner of my office I still have my edit box from 2005 with Premiere 1.5 on it. Occasionally I fire it up to look at an old project, With "cloud" will I be able to go and load in a project from 2005? Since that time I jumped from Premiere on a PC, to FCP on a Mac and back to Premiere on a Mac. I fear many people falling over themselves to get on the "cloud" aren't looking, 2, 5 or even 10 years down the line at how they might access their data. You have no idea how the package will evolve. As we've seen this week, features vital to some users can be dropped on a whim.

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There is one significant feature that Encore CS6 has, which earlier versions do not, and that is the ability to use Chapter Playlists with Blu-ray!

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Just a guess from my viewpoint, but much like FCP X, when a company does something that
a significant part of their customer base disagrees with, said customer base will use it 'as
justification to jump to another product'.

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I spend a lot of my day in AE and it is an essential part of my workflow. If After Effects goes down then its time for Flame/Nuke anyway and my projects will be useless to start with. As of now, $50 a month is a very minor expense for me to continue using it as I am using it basically 6 days a week. If price goes up, finish up the projects I have on my plate and move on if its no longer viable in a business sense.

Both sides are completely valid, jump ship or not, but given the amount of 3D compositing I have coming at me down the road, the Cinema4D pipeline coming up is a very big and very real advantage. This is the value to ME, directly. I don't see why other people's dislike of Adobe's move makes my use of their product any less 'valid'. AVID is great, go for it, I've used it before.

For premiere; Why not just export a local XML file for re-import into any application down the road? Not like anyone's footage is on Adobe's servers.

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This should clear up the clouds to reveal their goals.

Adobe CEO: We're off to a good start with subscriptions (Q&A) | Business Tech - CNET News

Key part of the Q&A
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At your Max conference in May, you said you had an installed base of 10 million people. What fraction of them will go subscriptions?

Narayen: We hope to see 4 million by 2015. We like to understand what it would take to attract more customers. Those are the public targets we set.

So what customer types are you leaving behind? What's the 6 million you're leaving off the table?

Narayen: We don't want to leave a single customer behind. Even with previous Creative Suite products, there are people who choose not to do business with Adobe.

But who's not signing up for subscriptions? Casual users? Hobbyists?

Narayen: We segment our customers as creative pros who use it to make living, people at work who use it to make their jobs more productive, and hobbyists and people at home who enjoy digital creation. The Creative Cloud composition today mirrors fairly well, both for customer segmentation and geography, people who've subscribed to Creative Suite. This notion by moving to Creative Cloud we're intending to leave customers behind is false. In other words, the majority of the people who bought Creative Suite were creative pros, and that's true for the Creative Cloud. It's the same thing with at work and at home.

I wasn't trying to suggest you wanted to leave customers behind. But is it fair to say the folks who aren't happy with Creative Cloud are the ones who are most expendable from a business standpoint -- the ones would not upgrade frequently and who weren't actively engaged in the Adobe road map?

Narayen: Every customer is a customer we want to make the journey with us. We will work hard to demonstrate why the innovation is the better accomplished through the Creative Cloud.