52mm

This is very tough one, but I can't keep them both. I like so many things offered by PDX10, but I love the higher resolution of HD10 more. So long story short, the PDX10 is in the classfields.

Wow, congrats on the decision. Glad you made an educated one!

heath

Just wanted to say that for $3,000 I have an awesome camera that makes incredible moving images. I'm editing in Final Cut Pro (thanks to LumiereHD) and it's amazing...it looks like "a window outside". Those are my girlfriends words.

For all the crap we've endured with this camera...it was worth it. It's got an amazing image compared to all DV cameras....and I've used them all. (ok, most!)

Anyone have 100 megs of space I can borrow, so I can post a clip?

Murph

We do, if you can put it into a format that's easy to open and view. Contact Chris Hurd for more info.

heath

Heath - I have some clips would like to post somewhere, even temporarily. I'd really like to get some opinions/suggestions regarding the photography.

I am a UK GR-PD1 owner and I have been having problems trying to dub footage from a VHS deck to my PD1, I have been using the supplied S-Video/ Video and scart connector and have followed the instructions in the manual, but I get no picture on the lcd screen and when recording it just records black space and no video. I am using the scart connector with the yellow video cable to connect to the VHS, the manual states to connect all the leads to the scart connector (including S-Video) when connecting to a Scart equipped VHS deck, I have tried with both the S-video and Analog Video connected, with just analog video connected but with no success. Has anyone else managed to dub from VHS to their PD1/HD1/HD10U? If you have how did you connect up the camera?

I hope someone can help out with this, Need to get some stuff off VHS asap!

Thanks

I always needed an analog to dv converter myself, but I may have been using an expensive and unneccessary middle man.

heath

IT WORKS NOW, JUST DONT TRY TO DO IT ON A BUDGET SAMSUNG VHS!

Thanks!
Sam

I am poised to buy a "Soft Contrast" filter and a wide adapter for my HD1. The SC filter is Tiffen brand, measured as 1,2,3,4,5. AM I correct in assuming that the "1" will produce the least effect?

And for the wide adapter, am I correct that a .72x will be wider than a .48x adapter?

Thanks

We've all gotten crap for owning this camera, but take a look at this here. Apparently, the interest in HDV is real stuff even to NAB types who traditionally have been high $$$ spenders. I don't think the general television crowd is turned off by HDV...instead, it's going to be an affordable way to make the transition to HD.

Next year those two 5's will be 3's and 2's.

http://www.tvtechnology.com/dailynews/one.php?id=2064

Good news for us because we're already there.

Murph

Here's a strange issue I haven't seen posted here before. Most of the regulars here probably know about the UFO green cigar (http://www.hdvinfo.com/articles/jvchd10/fordham2.php) incident, but here's a new one.

Took my HD10 outside this weekend to do some shooing in the bright sunlight. Since the sun was really bright, I slapped ND0.6 filter ontop of ND0.9 and got the iris opened to F5.6 (I guess) at 1/30. So far, so good. But when checking the footage afterwards, I noticed a guy who was with us, appeared wearing a green outfit on the video although he was wearing dark blue when I was shooting. So I took the camera outside again and did some testing.

White balance was set to Fine, shutter priority at 1/30, AGC off.

First frame grab without any filters:
http://www.ztnmaps.com/no_filter.png

With ND0.3, everything normal:
http://www.ztnmaps.com/nd_03.png

With ND0.6, still looks ok to me:
http://www.ztnmaps.com/nd_06.png

With ND0.9, you can kinda see some slight greenish tint already:
http://www.ztnmaps.com/nd_09.png

ND0.9 + ND0.6, Behold the green slime!
http://www.ztnmaps.com/nd_09+06.png

So, here's the question: could it be that ND0.6 with 09 was too much and what we're seeing here is the camera wrongfully trying to compensate color information which was suppressed by the double filters? Thoughts?

Hello, (this is my first post)

We have been using the XL-1 with the Matrox RT2500 capture card for corporate videos and streaming videos. We'd like to upgrade to the JY-HD10U, but we want to make sure it will fit into our current pipeline before we take the plunge.

Although I know we wouldn't be taking advantage of the HD capabilites, if we used the DV 4:3 mode, could we caputre it just like out current XL-1? It should be the standard IEEE-1394 NTSC capture right?

Can anyone confirm that the DV mode of this camera works just like the standard 4:3 NTSC camera capture?

Thanks!

Chris -

Yes - the JY-HD10U will allow you to capture DV in 4:3 mode just like any other DV Camera. BUT this camera isn't going to produce anywhere near as nice an image in DV mode as your 3 Chip XL-1. I think you will be disappointed, especialy with the color, if you are using the camera for regular DV.

My guess is it is a form of chroma noise from you blocking too much light. I don't think you need to filter so much while you are in indoor light environments.
Ken

It was outdoors actually. But I think you're right, it seems like a chroma noise although the AGC was off.

Does anyone know the best way to convert 720P video from the HD10U to an HDCam tape? We're making a documentary with primarily Sony F900/3s, but we want to occasionally use a the HD10U as a second or third camera.

We downconvert all of or HDCam tapes to DVCam to edit in FCP, then reassemble at a post house. We don't want to have two formats to deal with in post - such as 720P and 24P.

It seems the only way to get the HD signal out of the HD10U is to use the firewire, which is not supported by any HDDecks.

I had someone try to capture the HD10U's video into FCP using Hueris software, then rescale, and then render the video to 24P, then output the results on a Kona card to an HDCam deck, but the results were jitterly and the in fast motion. This person has stopped working on a solution...

Has anyone found a way to convert the video from a JY-HD10U to HDCam?

Thanks,
Jim

It sounds like you were on the right track. The biggest issue is the frame rate not the resolution. Even the camera does an OK job of upscaling 720p to 1080i on its analog output. But with the up-scale you still have 30P not 24P, which it seems you need. 30P to 24P conversion is very difficult to do well. You previous attempt likely used frame blending or frame duplication which will look jittery. Tools like Magic Bullet and Twixtor can perform this conversion with motion interpolation that produces good results with a lot of rendering time.

Hi Everybody,
finally I`ve got my HD10U.I just received today from B&H...Thanks for all the suggestions to help me deciding it!
I also want to purchase a matte box now and I decided to stay at Century Optics matte box.I just would like to know how exactly things work with it ...The matte box accept 4x4 and 3x3 filters.Anybody can tell me what will be the difference using this or that ??? Will I have the same use of both or one will be worst or better than the other.
Appreciate all your help
Thanks
Gabor

On behalf of Bruce Johnson of DV Magazine:

"Anyone in Manhattan with a JVC HDV cam that would like to lend it to me and Adam Wilt for our session at DVExpo? You would really be helping us out immensely. Any takers? Next Weds July 14 at 9:30AM, Javitz Center."

Reply here and I'll coordinate you through Bruce and Adam. I'll try to get 'em to buy you lunch, at least, for the loan. You should get a floor pass too. Thanks,

Sure, I'd like to help. Please email me privately for details.

Thanks Alex!

Check out this wild deal at JVC! (http://pro.jvc.com/pro/special/hx1/hx1hd1.html)

Buy a (list price) $13,000 HD projector, get a free HD1! Wow...

heath

Is there a site with a list of all the software and hardware supporters for the HDV format (besides the JVC 3rd party page which is only partially complete).


Thanks

Dwight,

This site lists HDV supporters:

http://www.hdv-info.org/

And to give a little plug to our special HDV site, click on over to here. (www.hdvinfo.net)

heath

Well, it took 2 months for my HD10 to develop a stuck pixel. I've seen reports here about stuck pixels which will appear as a bright green dot on the footage and that's exactly how it appears on my footage. So my question is: has anybody had JVC to service their camera for this particular problem? Did they take care of it and if, then how fast?

I had that very same problem. I had to return mine to Japan cuz I bought it there. They were really helpful, but unfortunately they could not fix it so they just replaced it with another camera. I was lucky it was still under warranty. I wonder if this is an onging problem for the HD1 users? Hope you can get a replacement too.

I will go in a Photo Safari in Africa pretty soon and I need a decent microphone since the one on the HD1 is so bad.

What you guys can suggest to me? I would like to preserve stereo although at the mean time I'd like to record lions and other animals. I'm really in doubt here, please help.

Thanks !
Gabriele

audio technica 822 will attach to the shoe, plug directly into the mic jack and provide great stereo

I borrowed a friends Audio Technica 822 several years ago, and was very impressed. I recently bought one, unable to find anything comparable for the money. It has XLR connector with adapter to plug directly into camcorder, as well as cable to split it into separate lo-Z (1/4") plugs. A standard XLR mike extension cable can be used with the provided adapter to use the mike away from the camera - in stereo even!

I was very happy since I bought my HD1, I kept the output at 1080i in order to avoid compatibility problem with many TV. Recently though I went to a friend's home, he has a DLP TV from Samsung and the quality wasn't too good with the HD1. Since the DLP has a native resolution of 720P I switched to no-conversion and the quality became just INCREDIBLE. Evidently the double passage of up-conversion and down-conversion wasn't doing too good.
Today I decided to try on my Panasonic RPTV. I never tested at 720P since my Panasonic has native support for 720P but it was never used at such resolution and the convergence was totally out for millimeters on each gun.
I patiently spent two hours trying to make the best possible convergence at the native 720P and I finally attacched the HD1. WOW what a quality. THe resolution and the color dept increased 20-30% . Evidently the internal upscaler is OK but not outstanding. From now on I will always see my tapes at 720P. I could have done this before but my HDTV STB convert everything at 1080i so the few programs at 720 are actually visualized at 1080. Too bad newer TV don't support real native 720P anymore while the DLPs do support it but at the expenses of 1080i...

Gabriele

Gabriele,

I have found the same thing on my Sanyo PLV-Z2 and DVHS or HD1 camera attached. If there is a setting in the equipment to put it to 720P, then that is definitely the way to go for the quality!

Anyone know if one exists? I just got a dvd that has dvi out and it gives a great image. Just wondering if anyone makes an adapter for JVC's d-terminal cable from the HD-1 to a DVI.

Cheers

Will,

There aren't any component to DVI convertors that I'm aware of. Typically there would be some type of 'transcoding' involved because DVI is digital and has a different 'colorspace' than analog component video (which is what the D-Terminal output is).

You could do a component (D-Terminal) to VGA to DVI conversion, but you'd probably lose some resolution and color clarity in the process.

The camera uses firewire as it's digital connection and there are a lot of components out there that can accept and or convert this format to analog component such as the Samsung SIR-T165 and the JVC HM-DH3000/DH40000 D-VHS VCRs and the LG LST-3410a HD recorder. This option would run you at minimum about $400-$500 dollars.

A lot of newer HDTVs accept firewire natively and will display the 720p signal in 1080i in it's digital format and some will actually display it natively at 720p (the RCA and Sony DLP & LCD HDTVs). Some of these sets include ones from Mitisubishi, Pioneer, RCA & Sony.

My Mits set has the capability to be upgraded to accept a firewire connection but it would cost me $1000! I could probably sell my old set and use that money towards a newer Mits with firewire and still come out ahead vs spending $1000 for the upgrade.

Hope this helps.

Troy

Thanks Troy for the info. I guess what ever I do it will cost me a bunch of coin. Not really worth it for a nominal improvement.

Thanks again!

Hi,

I just finished shooting and editing a PR video for a new recording artist. Here are some short notes on what I've learned from shooting with the HD10.

1) We shot outdoors in bright sunlight, under overcast and indoors. We overcome the lack of Manual exposure control using
ND filters. We set the camera to manual shutter speed Mode and the shutter speed to 1/60 in most cases. Then enough ND filters are added so that the shutter is forced open to the neighborhood of F2.0-F4. This does not give direct control but it limits the range of F stop to a known amount. Obviously by moving the lights back away from the subject you can get the same effect indoors (force the auto aperture open to F2 or F4) without using ND filters indoors.

2) This decreases depth of field and forces the viewer's eye to focus in the focused plane where my main subject resides. We got a nice depth of field effect outdoors by keeping the camera zoomed to medium or longer focal length and keeping the camera further away from the subject. With the tiny CCD chip in these cameras middle to wide angle focal length makes everything in focus from nearly the front of lens to infinity which is irritating because of lack of control over focus.

3) Overall the colors seem less saturated than a 3 chip camera, but outdoors with overcast clouds the colors seem more saturated in a way that reminds me of some 16mm film stocks.

4) Shooting indoors this camera seems to crush some black values and also some highlight values even if you are careful with clothing and skin colors in the shot & how you light them. But this played to our advantage shooting indoors in a tiny recording studio.

The singer was facing into a silver recording studio mic with textured black sound absorbing panels on the wall behind her.
In the tiny studio I lit her face with a single lowel softlight for key and used a hard Tyvek reflector for fill light to soften the shadows.

I angled the softlight down to lessen light falling on the black wall behind her. I found myself wishing I had brought french flags to shield the wall behind her from the light and give a black limbo lighting effect. In the LCD the black textured walls looked a very ugly gray.

Surprise. When we edited the video, in almost all the shots the recording studio walls looked almost dead black like the limbo effect I wanted.

In this case the HD-10's limited contrast range gave an awesome look. If I had wanted the walls to be visible, I would have to dump more light on them, or use a different color background wall.

5) Setting the manual shutter speed to 1/30 gives a very cool motion blur that reminds me of film. This looks great shooting low light sources at night. You have to be careful to use a tripod and pan or tilt slowly like with film.

6) We used the tripod or Steady Tracker gizmo for everything. But some hand held shots, looked very cool. For this I zoomed wide, got close to the subject to minimize the unsteadyness of handheld, and moved the camera slowly around the subject to give that cool 3D look of the moving camera. The steady tracker shots looked good, but I am praying that the next project has a large enough budget for dolly & grip truck rental.

7) Naturally we shoot only overcast conditions or put a scrim over the subjects head to soften the sunlight and contrast for close ups. When trapped in direct sunlight conditions, we put the sun
behind the subject to act like a back light. Then we fill the face with sunlight from Tyvek hard reflectors (Hardware store $ 7.00).

8) Another cool effect is to have 1 hard reflector on the face from a distance, scrim overhead to lessen contrast in direct sun, plus another hard reflector behind the subject to give a slightly exaggerated backlight effect, which looks very nice for a woman with long hair.

Ed Hill

This type of info is whakes this forum so great.

Thanks for taking time to type these informational goodies (being a newbie , I really love it)

I did an HD wedding yesterday and found when I used the "backlight" button on the HD10 it made my overcast skyed Bride shots in a Gazebo come alive and with all the white surounding her it made her face look surreal, I was really impressed everytime I hit that button

Does anyone know if JVC's "edit control cable" is the same as Sony's LANC? In other words, would I be able to hook the edit control cable to a Sony DV deck's LANC input and perform cuts between camera and deck? Or is this some proprietary thing that only works with other JVC equipment?

JVC uses Jlip.
Do a search in this forum and you can check out Jlip specifics.

http://www.pluginz.com/news/2162?

Article links to JVC site for more pics.

Come on Ken,

Don't you know by now that HDV (i.e., HD encoded at a "low" bit-rate of 19 or 25Mbps) isn't "real" HD?

:)

I'm being sarcastic of course.

I've always thought the HDCAM and DVCPROHD formats were overkill when your final destination is going to be HDTV.

As a film alternative (i.e., going to the big screen), HDCAM and DVCPROHD are obviously superior to HDV, but for HDTV they are pretty close to being equal (in terms of format, obviously the Varicam and Cinealta are better cameras than the HD10 for many other reasons).

Anyway, thanks for the update.

Oh yeah, I wonder if this means networks like HDNET and DiscoveryHD will lift their informal "ban" on HD10 originated footage? I've heard those networks will reject HD10 footage, although if I submitted something I would just tell them it was 720p and give it to them on HDCAM and not tell them what I shot it on :)

Ben

Yes I know it wasn't shot on HD10's but I thought it interesting and groundbreaking, being it was the first time it was done.
JVC has been promoting a complete to broadcast mpeg2 solution of which the DM-JV600U high definition (HD) MPEG-2 encoder and DM-4600UC 4:2:0-4:2:2 MPEG-2 decoder are front and center. My point is that the 720p HD10 is a good fit for the future.

"Oh yeah, I wonder if this means networks like HDNET and DiscoveryHD will lift their informal "ban" on HD10 originated footage? I've heard those networks will reject HD10 footage, although if I submitted something I would just tell them it was 720p and give it to them on HDCAM and not tell them what I shot it on :)"

Exactly. What they don't know won't hurt them ;>)
I don't know of any broadcast stations that accept submissions on miniDV tapes. Give it to them on the format they demand and there won't be a problem. Although I wouldn't go in braging it was done on a HD10 as your work will be prejudged out of contention. Collect the fat cheque then shove it in their face :)

I am welding together an aluminum framed crane and am to the point where I need the monitor stand figured out .

I think the only way to accomplish this would be firewire if its possible at all but I have found no settings on camera or VH1 that would need to be set for this to happen.

Anybody try this?

Well the camera certainly outputs a real-time signal through the firewire port - for example a firewire-equipped PC laptop running VLC software works fine as an external monitor.

So the issue will be whether the VH1u (which I'm not familiar with) can display that signal.

I made a 13' pan and tilt crane last week

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31905 (with footage)

and have been shooting a project the last 2 nights and forgot all about OIS on the HD10u which I had set to ON but the manual says to turn this OFF when using tripods, has anyone found the best results when using a crane with this camcorder or holding it out the window of a car or any other thing simulating the camera moving in a pan situation where the camera itself is panning and not the tripod?

My footage looks good but I want great if thats possible and using the CU VH1 as a monitor is not the best playback device because everything looks great on it because its so dinky. Any other advice with crane shots concerning the HD10 and its various "tendencies" would be appreciated.

If no one knows then I guess I will experiment tonight and report back, if anyone is interested

My first instinct would be to turn it off, because when the OIS is on while sitting on a tripod, the image is almost like moving water, if that makes sense. It's more apparent on a Canon XL-1 for me.

BUT, cranes can sometimes be a little shakey, esp. the cheap ones like my friend uses. Maybe do experiments with the OIS on and off, and tell us what your image looked like.

heath

Hey guys, check this out! Also, make sure you click on the images to the right of the article....they're huge, but worth the download. This film looks like it had LOTS of motion, so I'd really like to see it!

Interesting quote from the article:

".....the images recorded by the JY-HD10 camcorder were converted by Lumiere to MPEG2, and dropped into Final Cut Pro, which in turn scaled the images up to a full 1080p. This final output was compatible with the main timeline edit. The movie was edited on a Mac G5 dual 1.8GHz with two HUGE raid systems totaling 1.2 terabytes."

http://www.jvcpro.co.uk/news/releases_html?atype=release&releaseID=1158

Murph

I've never seen this PDF file before, so I'm posting it here...it's about 5 megs, and contains a full article and information about editing in various OS's. Worth a look!

http://www.jvcpro.co.uk/getResource?id=4922

Murph

This is Great.

Maybe Doug will put us a link fro download?

by the way, why its cropped to 2:35 ?

it was shoot with an adaptor?

ciao