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Trey Perrone
August 13th, 2004, 11:46 AM
1. the QT format was in DV. my classmates had previously rendered HUGE uncompressed movs using 4:2:2 colorspace - I then rerendered to QT and selected DV/DVPRO AVI 29.97fps best quality. from FCP / apple support this seems to be on par with what i render from Veg5

2 the footage was all shot on my GL1/XL1s cameras in normal mode. I leave Vegas at a default of lower mode...all clips were originally imported with Veg5cap and then distributed among us all. Unless FCP render did something weird.

3. possible - but i think maybe it was during mpeg encoding

4. it performs this way on mutliple set top, multiple pc/macs so i believe it to be in the mpeg2 encoding...

Paul Bisaillon
August 13th, 2004, 04:58 PM
i have been in photography for a log time now. and have some experimental photo's of me like 5 times, 10 times, and i am working on one now where i am in it over hundreds times...


but i am starting to get into video and would like to transfer my style into this. is cromakeying the best solution? some green screening? because i am looking into making videos where i interact with myself. anyone have any tutorials or software i should look into.

I have Vegas 5.0, and after effects 5.5, can this be done with just tons of masking? i have NO idea where to begin with this...


one example might be in the newest austin powers movie where austin goes and visits dr eveil, he interacts with himself. or dare i even say a really good example is the matrix...

Peter Jefferson
August 13th, 2004, 05:57 PM
Vegas is good for standardish and advanced 2d chromakeying composites, but for really advanced stuff, with moving 3d layers, id suggest Combustion. Its VERY advanced, and not that easy to get into.. works totally different to Vegas... but its a lil more powerful... Vegas comes close.. but ther are some things like lighting, which it still cant match

for stuff like Matrix and austin powers, ur lookin at a Silicon Graphics workstations running advanced renderfarms...

u can try to emulate this, but i wouldnt try doing shadows, and actual interaction (ie, like in teh movie Secret Window when johnny depp grabs hinself)...

its al in the editing... if u can overlay your audio with a different pitch ot tone for each of ur personas, with some clever cuts and angles, as well as sporadic "dual" shots, u should be able to pull of the ilusion if 2 yous..

Edward Troxel
August 13th, 2004, 07:16 PM
It really depends on how sophisticated you want to get. If you never cross paths, just split screen. For example, if you sit on each end of a couch, you can easily separate the left and right halfs using a locked down camera shot and a split screen. If you're going to be walking in front of yourself, things get more difficult. You may also want to experiment with using a green screen.

Randall Campbell
August 13th, 2004, 08:26 PM
Cosmin,

Go to Options, Preferences, and check the General tab of options. There are a couple of scrubbing options near the bottom of the list.

Randall

Rob Lohman
August 14th, 2004, 05:53 AM
One thing (and I could be wrong on this): if I remember correctly
interlaced DVD is actually upper field first instead of lower. I
haven't really looked that much at DVD Architect yet so I don't
know if that is a setting you can alter in the project properties
or whether it saw the DV file correctly (lower first).

You can always try changing the field order of the imported file
(if changing the project doesn't help) and see what that does.
It might be that it just went screwy somewhere along the line.
That will be hard to tell.

David Jasany
August 14th, 2004, 08:48 AM
I just came across this new product for printing on CDs & DVDs. It's from Primera and it costs about $140. I don't have any experience with it but I thought you may find it of interest.

http://www.primera.com/signaturez1.html

Edward Troxel
August 14th, 2004, 01:11 PM
I saw that too. My first thoughts was "it's a little expensive for what it does". It appears to be a single color thermal printer. I recall seeing the same thing from other companies for under $100.

Douglas Spotted Eagle
August 14th, 2004, 05:30 PM
Lance, be sure you've got a converter device that obliges ASIO drivers. you can run into significant issues. While Gary is apparently having good luck with the MOTU, that is more rare than common. Echo and M-Audio, Frontier, Aardvark are more performance oriented. 24 channels of input are quite possible and capable if your system can sustain. Firewire won't sustain this many inputs simultaneously either, unless you've got lots of RAM.
Sorry for the delayed response, I've been overseas for Vegas training.

Trey Perrone
August 14th, 2004, 10:45 PM
ok ...

i took all the .mov files today and brought them into Veg5 and outputted with the mpeg2 option and made sure the field order was set for lower field...

things look great now!!!

i couldnt figure out HOW to set this up directly in DVDarch... it give me options for bitrate, apsect ratio, resolution, frame rate, and a few others, but nothing about field order in DVD arch...so it seems like i may be better off in the future to simply output directly from Veg5 mpeg2 as it has more options...does that seem right? maybe im missing something here...i would assume that DVDarch would have the same mpeg2 options as Veg5

i guess ive never run into this issue before because ive always used Vegas4/5 and always had it setup for lower field interlace in proj and render settings.

Trey Perrone
August 15th, 2004, 12:36 AM
this was posted quite a while ago...BUT since i learned a little about macs & idvd this past week....and maybe possibly you found a different workaround...or maybe it will help someone else...


macs are a little different than our pc...for example...i found that FCP AVI renders werent designating field order (lower) for our clips at our school lab which gave me a lot of headaches over the past couple of days...

you could render to AVI and let him convert the file however he sees best fit for his setup

or

if he has (or maybe had at this point) just that reel in mind...make the DVD and then goto (on MAC) applications/utilities/disk utility and there click the DVD drive after its inserted and create an image of the DVD

then it would create a image file (ending with dmg i believe) and he could jsut go back to DiskUtil when he needed and click the image and click burn (and it will ask for a blank dvd)


probably not of any help to you now....but perhaps someone...somewhere...will have a similar issue and it will help them....maybe.

Trey Perrone
August 15th, 2004, 01:06 AM
I had a discussion with the guy who runs all Mac labs in our school about this type of device this weekend...as those sticky labels kinda stink...

i found this http://www.cdrom2go.com/equipment/inkjet-thermal.htm which offers a little more info on thermal vs inkjet...

what i dont understand is why thermal would be listed as NOT having the capabilities to do nice graphics/pics....

i got a super duper (and somewhat pricey) thermal 8.5x11 printer a year or so ago and it makes awesome pics from my canon 10d still (which is about the only thing ive tried on there)

maybe its just thermal for cd/dvd

Rob Lohman
August 15th, 2004, 05:15 AM
It is fine to use Vegas and the MPEG2 encoder the way you've
done! No problem at all. Since I haven't used DVDA much I can't
really comment on the MPEG2 settings etc. But, I'm glad you've
resolved your problems and it was something "as simple" (heh)
as a wrong field order!

Sunny Dhinsey
August 15th, 2004, 01:33 PM
I've posted this in the Sony vegas forum, but it is a Sony Acid query.

I have recently added Sony Acid Pro 4 to my system, and during the installation, I am prompted to install DirectX 8.0 Runtime in order for the installation of Acid to continue.

I tried installing the supplied DirectX 8.0 and kept getting an error message telling me that this installation was only achievable under Windows 98/ME/2000 (I'm running XP), so I downloaded and installed DirectX 9.0c.

Yet when I go to install Sony Acid (4f) I still get the message prompting me to install at least DirectX 8.0!

I have successfully installed DirectX on my system, so why is it still not allowing me to progress??!!

Is there anyone out there that can help? There usually is ;-)

Thank You!

Sunny

David Jasany
August 15th, 2004, 03:58 PM
Soon I'll be receiving a Matrox Dual Head G550 card and 2-Samsung 173P LCD monitors. I'm playing around with DVDA to see what I'll be able to do with 2 LCD monitors.

Is there a way to preview in DVDA2 to a second monitor? I know DVDA2 is supposed to preview to a fireware connected monitor, but I didn't see any mention of a dual monitor config.

It appears most of the windows in DVDA2 will tear off so I assume I can move them to the external monitor, just like in Vegas.

Douglas Spotted Eagle
August 15th, 2004, 06:13 PM
I don't know of a way to put the preview screen on the second monitor. at http://www.vasst.com/training/DVDAscreen.htm I've put up a screenshot of my DVDA layout. The workspace window is the only one that can't be moved about the dual screen. You *Could* open DVDA on the second monitor, then put your additional/other windows on the first monitor, that would put the preview screen on the right, with tools to the left if that's your preferred workflow.

Douglas Spotted Eagle
August 15th, 2004, 06:15 PM
Several have asked about various Themes used on the VASST tours to give Vegas unique looks. I've uploaded a few of them, more to come as I re-tweak the cursors and a few other settings.
http://www.vasst.com/training/Themes/themes.htm
Enjoy.

Paul Bisaillon
August 15th, 2004, 09:41 PM
thanks, i did a little big of experimenting, i was really looking for interaction with myself...not really like beating myself up...but definitly like walk passed eachother and the like...i will try and find more info on it, already did a little big of googling

Jonathan Gentry
August 15th, 2004, 10:10 PM
Waldorf here. This would be great.

-Jonathan

Vince Debart
August 15th, 2004, 10:53 PM
very very nice ..I need to work more with Vegas ...hard to get the time

Vince

thanks for the post

Glen Elliott
August 15th, 2004, 11:58 PM
<<<-- Originally posted by Vince Debart : very very nice ..I need to work more with Vegas ...hard to get the time

Vince

thanks for the post -->>>

Thanks everyone.

Why...what NLE do you use?...or do you mean "hard to get the time" in general?

Cosmin Rotaru
August 16th, 2004, 02:01 AM
thanks guys, I'll look for the those scrubbing options!

Cosmin Rotaru
August 16th, 2004, 02:05 AM
Yes Edward, I know what you mean. Well, I guess for crossfades and generated media I'll settle for NO time code! :)

You have to agree that it would be nice to be able to activate the subtitle on your (home movie) DVD and see the time/date of shooting!

Simon Wyndham
August 16th, 2004, 02:43 AM
Yeah, I bet that got your attention! But unfortunately no, it has not been announced for Vegas or anything. However I noticed that Visual Infinity seem quite keen to let people use their source code and algorithms for new applications.

Who do we lobby to try and get a Vegas version of this filter made or get it included in the next Vegas release?

I tried the demo on a few noisy clips of mine and it worked wonders. With tweaking I got a totally clean image with pretty much no detail loss or softness whatsoever.

Simon Wyndham
August 16th, 2004, 02:49 AM
I've looked over a fair few Vegas scripts, and I can find a script that removes all filters from all clips.

However, does anyone know of a Vegas script that will just turn off all filters for all events, and then when neccesary turn them all back on again?

Edward Troxel
August 16th, 2004, 07:47 AM
That function is not available to the scripting API.

David Jasany
August 16th, 2004, 07:54 AM
DSE, thanks for the picture of your screen layout and your suggestion for the preview window. I like your screen layout and can't wait to try it!

Is it necessary or recommended to use dual monitor software such as Ultramon for Vegas5/DVDA2 for managing a dual monitor environment? I use Windows XP. Thanks.

Simon Wyndham
August 16th, 2004, 08:23 AM
How annoying! That could have been a really useful script. Oh well.

Sunny Dhinsey
August 16th, 2004, 09:38 AM
Does anybody have a solution to this problem? Help!

Thank You :-)

Vince Debart
August 16th, 2004, 12:42 PM
I have Vegas 4 and Casablanca Avio DVD also work full time at a TV station ..So on the off time I tend to use the Avio to get stuff finished… this winter I will spend more time with the Vegas. I have dun some small projects with Vegas i.e. wedding intros and slide shows I love the audio in Vegas ...

Thanks

Vince

David Jasany
August 16th, 2004, 01:20 PM
Any takers on my question regarding ultramon or similar programs?

Edward Troxel
August 16th, 2004, 01:52 PM
XP should have everything necessary for using two monitors.

Don Donatello
August 16th, 2004, 03:04 PM
XP needs to have a update to see all 250 gigs ...

make sure you have the newest update and correct driver for your ATA card ... make sure ATA card is secure in the slot - if this is a dell that uses a pci quick release make sure the ATA is near the hinge to put more pressure on card to keep it in slot...

Glenn Chan
August 16th, 2004, 03:37 PM
XP needs service pack 1 to see >137GB.

To test your power supply:
Use motherboard monitor (MBM).
http://mbm.livewiredev.com/download.html
In motherboard monitor, check that voltages are within 5% of what they should be.

Your motherboard may come with its own monitoring utility, which will also work well.

If you don't know what your motherboard is, use CPU-Z:
http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

You should run MBM at the same time as Prime95, which will stress your computer.
http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm
In prime95 go to fun --> torture test.

Law Tyler
August 16th, 2004, 05:46 PM
You know, if they have a "flash" sync feature, that would be great.

What I mean is, say I lay down several video tracks, which were shot by different cameras simultanously in real time. Of course the cameras are not started precisely on the same time-frame (as in 30 frames per second), hence there need to be a bit of sync'ing.

And of course, the photographers flash does the trick (at a wedding, that is).

Vegas should detect the first flash in each track, and sync them all up together. Seems pretty easy for the Vegas program to detect a flash, and just the first one, in each track.

Or is there such a thing already?

P.s. I am currently still using Vegas4.

Edward Troxel
August 16th, 2004, 07:14 PM
Well.... YOU have to manually find the frame with the flash but Excalibur (http://www.jetdv.com/vegas) makes it a breeze to get in sync once you have found those frames.

Randall Campbell
August 16th, 2004, 07:17 PM
Law,

I don't know of any way for Vegas to automatically do the sync based upon reading the flash. If you manually sync the video based upon the flash, then there are few options for editing the multicam footage and keeping it in sync.

The Excalibur tool has a multi cam wizard that a lot of people like:

http://www.vegastoolsandtraining.com/plugins_excalibur.html

You could also try the Media Sync tool to adjust the slave track's starting timecode to match the master and keep them in sync. Instructions for using Media Sync can be found here:

http://www.peachrock.com/software/mediasync.html

Randall

Law Tyler
August 17th, 2004, 05:57 AM
Thanks.

Adi Head
August 17th, 2004, 09:39 AM
hi.

PROBLEM STILL UNSOLVED.

i want to apply sony film effects on a whole track, but without scratches.
so i open VIDEO TRACK FX and select "sony film effects". i select "Scratches" in the particle "Type" scroll bar and uncheck "Enable particles".

i play the track and scratches are still visible. i tried setting the particle "Amount" to zero as well. but this didn't help either.

i tried the same with different paritcles, such as dust or hair. scratches are easier to recognize, but i'm pretty sure that the same problem occurs with other particles as well.

please help.

Randall Campbell
August 17th, 2004, 09:54 AM
Adi,

One other thing to check is to make sure that you don't have any additional keyframes defined for this effect. It is really easy to end up with extra keyframes (you will see these at the bottom of the effect window). If you have more than one at the beginning, delete the others, and reset the parameters for the first keyframe.

Randall

Joe Carney
August 17th, 2004, 12:44 PM
well, all are welcome. Look forward to seeing everyone this Sun.
We meet in front of the movie theater in a lower level (I think). Mickey will have a sign.
email him at his vegas page to get on the email list.

Douglas Spotted Eagle
August 17th, 2004, 02:46 PM
XP has all you need. No special drivers, nada. Just install an AGP and PCI card, hopefully of the same model to avoid two driversets, or get a duallie head like the Matrox tools, and you're good to go.

Shane Schmidt
August 17th, 2004, 03:37 PM
OK, for some reason I cannot seem to figure this out.
I have a 5:26 short that needs to play over & over on DVD. My client is taking this to a hunting trade show and wants to be able to put it in the DVD player & have it loop for about 55 or so minutes.

Can DVDA2 do this? Do I have to do the loop in V5?

I know most DVD players will loop a single movie but I do not want to confuse my client by teaching him how to do that.

Thanks in advance!

Shane Schmidt
August 17th, 2004, 04:03 PM
I see that on page 104 of the DVDA2 manual it says that I can set an end action to the media file that will link to another media file. I am assuming that I can loop my DVD in this way.

Does anyone know how I can set it for a specific time or should I just do the math?


And hey, is it me or is V5 a tad buggier that V4? I have all kinds of bizarre things happen to me in V5 like text clips not showing on the preview when it is obviously there.

Thanks again.

Shane

Ryan Gohlinghorst
August 17th, 2004, 04:25 PM
Using the end action for the clip you want to loop, set it to link to itself. Once you start it, it should continue to loop indefinitely.

Shane Schmidt
August 17th, 2004, 08:39 PM
That did the trick, I just set the clip as the intro media & linked it to itself with an end action.

Thanks again.

Edward Troxel
August 18th, 2004, 07:52 AM
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