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Frank Aalbers
December 12th, 2004, 05:59 PM
<<<-- Originally posted by John Hudson : Are you saying that you DO NOT want pulldown removal? Can you re-phrase please? -->>>

Sorry if I said it wrong . I DO want 2:3:3:2 pulldown removal. But it only gives me option for 2:3 removal.

Frank

John Hudson
December 12th, 2004, 08:35 PM
I'm going to try and help. Start from the beginning

1. Are you attempting to capture video using the DVX or XL2 (from progressively shot 24p) ?

2. Are you attempting to turn 60i footage into progressive footage?

I use the DVX100; have you shot 24p or 24pa ? Do you have the option selected "Allow Pulldown Removal?".

If you shot 24p (Standard) it will do a 2:3 pulldown for you

If you shot 24pa (Advanced) it will do a 2:3:3:2

Sam Vann
December 13th, 2004, 01:20 PM
Is it possible to preview video footage from Vegas to a TV via s-video from an ATI Radeon 9600SE? Or should I go the route with using a camcorder as the device to preview to TV from the computer? Thanks

Edward Troxel
December 13th, 2004, 01:45 PM
Use your camcorder. While you *might* find a way to get the other to work, it will NOT be good for things like color correction. Use the firewire connection to be able to see what the final output will look like.

Tim Crawford
December 13th, 2004, 02:35 PM
I have just transferred some 8mm footage to Vegas using a Panasonic PV-GS400. I am getting flicker in my Vegas footage . How do I get rid of this problem. Thanks

Jon Omiatek
December 13th, 2004, 02:58 PM
Ok.... Here is my attempt at describing my question.....

Lets say I have 1 video track with three audio tracks. When I cut something from the the video track it will cut the audio from that track but I want it to cut from all of the other tracks as well? This could work for pasting as well. How do I link all the tracks together.

Thanks,

Jon East

Jon Omiatek
December 13th, 2004, 03:00 PM
I guess this is more of a paste question... How do I get it to paste and push all the tracks instead of just one track?

I under stand that ctrl-L will allow it too push or not push on one track but not on all tracks.

Thanks again,

Jon

Richard Alvarez
December 13th, 2004, 03:19 PM
Tim,

I assume you just aimed the camera at the screen and shot with the video camera? If that's the case, then the flicker is in the footage.

If you were transferring 8mm, and not super 8mm, then most likely it was shot at 16fps. You could try recapturing again, but projecting with a variable speed projector. By turning the speed down to 15fps, or up to 20, you would pretty much eliminate the flicker. (Depending on whether you had a three bladed projcetor shutter or a two bladed.)

The key is to "tune" the projection speed to eliminate the flicker in your viewfinder. Of course, tuning the camera's shutter can help as well, but what you are trying to do is come up with an even division of frames per second of film with fields per second of video.

You could also have the footage professionally transfered. Moviestuff can do this for you , and they do a great job.

Finally, there are some plug-ins that will "remove flicker", but I am not certain they are compatible with VEGAS. Look up "Three Prong" for info.

Good luck

Edward Troxel
December 13th, 2004, 03:47 PM
Splitting clips works very logically:

Pressing "S" will split all SELECTED events

If you press "S" and nothing splits, something not under the cursor was selected.

If you want to make sure all events are split, either to a CTRL-A or Shift-CTRL-A before pressing "S"


To "link tracks together", select them all and press "G" to "Group" them.

Jon Omiatek
December 13th, 2004, 03:48 PM
You are the best.. Thanks, Jon.... I will try it.

Jon Omiatek
December 13th, 2004, 04:07 PM
Again, thank you so much for the directions!


It worked like a charm. I needed to insert a clip in the timeline and have the video and 3 audio tracks move as well. First I split the tracks, grouped them and then inserted my video and audio and all the tracks moved.

Jon

Sam Vann
December 13th, 2004, 04:19 PM
thanks

Ralph Morris
December 13th, 2004, 08:01 PM
The flicker is definitely a transfer issue rather than a Vegas issue.

Virtual Dub's deflicker filter will do a pretty good job. also, the previous suggestion about a variable speed projector can work well, especially if you ride the speed control. Typical camera shutter speeds of 1/60 are usually the best compromise.

I do these transfers professionally, but specific questions are cheerfully answered free of charge. Contact me at rmorris21942 at yahoo dawt com.

Bob Costa
December 13th, 2004, 09:14 PM
I just rendered a 2min video into .WMV format, and was about to load it on my website. But then I discovered that the file size is 168MB !! This was just a tiny bit of text FX (10 seconds at beginning), 2 minutes of music and a bunch of short video segments, commercial style straight cuts. What did I do wrong? All clues appreciated.

Rhett Allen
December 13th, 2004, 09:17 PM
Sounds like you rendered it at 720x480. Pick a smaller physical size.

John Hudson
December 13th, 2004, 09:59 PM
720 X 480 is huge. Also consider getting Soreson (Codec) or a similar product to compress your work. i.e. I recently turned an 8.7 MB file (Rendered as an MPEG 2) into a 2.8 MB (MPEG 4) at 480 X 360 for :26

Bob Costa
December 13th, 2004, 10:06 PM
Thanks Rhett, that did the trick. :)

4.5 MB now :)

There are just a million little things to think about, aren't there?

Tim Crawford
December 14th, 2004, 12:34 AM
Ok, ow I am trying to figure out my projector specs. I have a Revere Model p-90. It has a variable spped motor with 16 fps normal speed. Does anyone know the range of speeds for this model as it seems trhat adjusting the speed is not helping with the flicker

David Ennis
December 14th, 2004, 12:58 AM
When I run multicam, the last (190th) selected camera segment in the event is not transferred to the master track. The master track is blank there. And that segment still shows as picture in picture in the preview screen.

1. any suggestions to make the wizard do this correctly?
2. Can I fix by editing manually?

[EDIT]
After some experimentation, I found that the last segment simply needs to be terminated with a marker, and then Excalibur works flawlessly.

Adi Head
December 14th, 2004, 01:53 AM
hi. i rendered a short clip (about 650 MB) to .avi and burned it to a cd. when i play the clip using windows media player directly from the cd, it sort of stutters. the motion is not smooth. i copied the file from the cd to my desktop and played it from there. it played perfectly.

how come? anyone have any ideas?

thanks

Ralph Morris
December 14th, 2004, 07:22 AM
Tim,
I have a Revere P-90 under my bench somewhere. I tried it as my first machine for transferring regular 8 mm before I bought one of Moviestuff's CineMate units.

From your post, I'm assuming that you can observe the change in speed of the projector as the speed dial is turned.

There are three (or more) possible problems.

It may be that the projector cannot reach 20 fps and needs oiling. (I found that 15fps almost always gave the impression that the projection was too slow. The old cameras were spring wound, and frame rate was sort of an average. )

The instruction book does say that 16 fps is the normal speed, but it does not say what the range is. I can tell you that mine would reach 20fps, based on the dissappearance of flicker.

It is also possible that your film is "dragging" in the projector. Film dries out and must be cleaned and lubricated to protect it from scratching. Unlubricated film can also cause projector belts to slip, preventing the 20 fps from being reached

Another possibility is that your camcorder is not being locked to 1/60 sec shutter speed. If it jumps to higher speeds you can get some very strange effects. 1/60 seems ideal, 1/30 and 1/15 will work but with increasing softness of image. If you are using the original 500Watt+ bulb, your camcorder may be going to a higher shutter speed. Try a neutral density filter, or project to a photo gray paper instead of white to try to knock down the brightness.

While probably not the culprit, turn off any image stabilization on your camcorder.

Edward Troxel
December 14th, 2004, 08:17 AM
Interesting... The last segment HAS been moving for me without the need for an ending marker. But I'm glad you found a solution that worked.

If you ever have a segment that does not move, it CAN be done manually. Simply pick the desired clip, manually move it to the Master track, remove the Pan/Crop settings, and then remove the Border effect.

Edward Troxel
December 14th, 2004, 08:18 AM
Can't read the file from the CD fast enough to prevent the stutters. Your hard drive is faster allowing it to play correctly.

Brian Mitchell Warshawsky
December 14th, 2004, 08:56 AM
One thing I notice in my files is a short interlace artifact between cuts.

The footage is progressive (DVX100) but when one scene cuts to another, there appears a split second bleeding interlace effect.

Has anyone else noticed this?

It pops up only in the rendered footage.

Brian

Tim Crawford
December 14th, 2004, 08:57 AM
Ralph,

Thanks for the info. Tried everything but the lube part. What kind of oil should I use to lube the projector? Also what is used to clean /lube the film? I think I'm getting somewhere with this and this may solve my ills. Thanks.

Tim

Ralph Morris
December 14th, 2004, 09:44 AM
For the projector, a light oil such as "3 in 1" brand or sewing machine oil will do fine. Do it sparingly, a few drops at a time.

I also see that there is an adjustment available to allow the rheostat knob to be positioned for slower speeds. It's on P11 of my booklet. It's possible someone has done this adjustment and that it's now preventing you from achieving the highest speeds.

For film cleaning and lubrication, see the supplies at urbanskifilms.com Probably whatever lubricant is available in the smallest size would be your best bet. Some people use Lemon Pledge, but I've never tried that (and never will).

A set of film winders helps, but if you are not doing a lot of film, it's a sizeable investment. You can probably rig something to get you through cleaning a few reels.

Glen Elliott
December 14th, 2004, 01:34 PM
How similar are the Magic Bullet presets to the Ultimate S film looks? If they were specifically design to mimic each and every effect (not that you could openly admit to that) I might seriously be interested. I've been considering picking up MB editors for V5 and Ulitmate S might be a cost-effective alternative...not to mention giving Spot more of my patronage. TIA

Bob Costa
December 14th, 2004, 03:46 PM
I have been using Vegas intermittently for a few months. Every time I use it, I have to reboot my computer after closing Vegas, or everything runs at about 20% of normal speed until I reboot. This is indicative of old-time "memory leaks" or unreturned resources upon program closing. Damn sloppy programming for 2004.

Do other people experience this, or there something wrong with my Vegas installation?

Edward Troxel
December 14th, 2004, 04:12 PM
I have NOT experienced this. After you close Vegas, is there a "Wowexec" listed in the Task Manager? If yes, what happens if you kill that process? While in the Task Manager, what does it indicate is taking CPU time?

Bob Costa
December 14th, 2004, 10:09 PM
No wowexec listed. Also no processes running that are obviously taking CPU cycles. I do have FIVE svchost.exe processes sitting there (zero CPU), and that seems odd. But it may be related to something else, so I will watch it now before and after Vegas.

As I said, it acts like a memory or resource leak. Imagine how slow your computer would run if suddenly you only had 128M instead of 512M or ram. BUt this kind of thing does not show up easily, since memory is still there, just flagged as "in use" or some other such id. I have not done extensive research, since I don't know what the knowledge would do for me. I have never seen a software company admit to having a memory issue like this or even be willing to discuss it. I just reboot after using Vegas and before going back to regular tasks. But it is becoming more of a PITA to do this..

Edward Troxel
December 14th, 2004, 10:41 PM
I know they would be interested if you can narrow down the problem. I know this is NOT a common problem as I have not seen it on multiple systems and I have not heard of this problem before.

Vegas does access a lot of things - video, sound, scanners, firewire devices, etc... Are all of those drivers up to date?

Bob Costa
December 15th, 2004, 12:32 AM
It took me forever to get a DVD combo that would work. As part of that process I updated EVERYTHING I could find (as of October). It would shock me if a device driver could cause this problem, but maybe. I do know all firewire drivers are up to date.

Since it is not a common problem, I will try to figure out what it is about my configuration that is causing it. I have lots going on in my computer, although I typically shut off everything visible to edit or render or capture. I do leave Norton system protection running, along with wireless network and similar. Thanks for replies. If I learn anything more concrete, I will report in. :)

Glenn Chan
December 15th, 2004, 12:49 AM
John, task manager will allow you to see how much resources each 'process' is taking up. This may be useful to check if there's a single process taking up a lot of CPU or RAM/memory. You can also see how much RAM is available- anything lower than 40MB may be bad.

2- It might also be that Norton is slowing things down. On older computers Norton Antivirus' real-time scanning can slow things down to a crawl. You could try temporarily disabling it. If that does work, look into alternatives (i.e. beef up security and disable Norton's scanning, or use NOD32 [fastest AV, but commercial] or AVG Antivirus FREE or Avast, also free).

Those are my guesses.

Rob Lohman
December 15th, 2004, 06:02 AM
I'm pretty certain that the problem is not in Vegas (assuming you
are running the latest version of this). Yes a driver or video/audio
codec would have no problems at all to cause these kind of things
if they where badly programmed (and believe me, A LOT of drivers
are, especially the ones for older hardware!!!).

The problem which such leaks or other issues in drivers and/or
codecs is that they are nearly impossible to find. Especially since
such blocks of code are loaded INTO the calling process (in this
case Vegas). So the taskmanager is of no use at all to see which
process is using the most resources (which should be Vegas in
this instance anyway).

The only thing you can do is the following. Go into task manager
and into the performance tab and write down things like:

- PF Usage
- Handles
- Threads
- Processes
- Physical memory: available
- System cache
- Commit charge: total + peak
- Kernel memory: total + paged + nonpaged

Then start Vegas, do some silly work, exit the program, wait for
30 seconds or so and compare the numbers. You should have
some small differences, but if you have some big ones then you
should have a problem somewhere.

Which (exact) version of Windows would you be running?

You say you took a long while to get something running, that is
a pretty good indication that something is wrong on your system
or you are trying to work with some old hardware.

Which DVD combo would that be?

How are you on anti-virus software and things like spyware?

Brian Bechard
December 15th, 2004, 12:52 PM
Help me...I just installed and began using vegas 5 and I can't figure out for the life of me how to apply a video effect to one clip (event) and not have it affect my next event or events. Example...If I want an event with a sepia filter/plugin on it to dissolve to a regular event with no effects, how do I do this? Every time I apply an effect to an event it gives everything in that track the same effect. Do I need to have the event with effects on a different track and if so how do I dissolve the two events??? I've looked in the manuals and I have ordered one of Spot's books, but I need help now to get me going with this. Thanks in advance...

Brian

Bill Ravens
December 15th, 2004, 01:03 PM
The answer to your question may lie in how you have the keyframes set up. If you right click on the last keyframe(the little diamond in the effect timeline window) in your transition, you should see whether the ramp between keyframes is set to HOLD, LINEAR, or whatever. Make sure you have the right ramp selected.

Gary Kleiner
December 15th, 2004, 01:10 PM
>Every time I apply an effect to an event it gives everything in that track the same effect.<

This shouldn't be happening. I suspect you are not applying the FX the way you mean to. Sounds like you are applying at the track level.

Excaltly how/where are you applying the FX?

Gary

Brian Bechard
December 15th, 2004, 01:17 PM
I've tried applying effect to the event on the timeline as well as to the video in the preview window.

Edward Troxel
December 15th, 2004, 01:32 PM
Applying an effect to the timeline (not on an event) will apply that effect to everything on the entire TRACK

Applying an effect to the preview window will apply that effect to the entire PROJECT

Instead, you want to apply the effect ONLY to that one event on the timeline.

Vol 1, #12 of my newsletter talks about the scope of effects when applied various places. You may also want to look over the other issues as well. I have a "Beginner's Corner" series that started in issue #4. Check the link below my name.

Gary Kleiner also has some instructional DVD sets available at http://www.vegastrainingandtools.com

DSE has some instructional DVD sets and books also available from various sources.

Brian Bechard
December 15th, 2004, 03:58 PM
Thanks everyone...looks like I'm over that hurdle...Stay tuned though as I'm sure to be in need of your expertise again.

Bobby Abernathy
December 15th, 2004, 04:14 PM
Just my experience, I think a lot depends on the amount of RAM and swap file. If I've been in Vegas for a while, working with several video files that are all several GBs in size, once I'm done and close Vegas, I have to let my pc just chill for a minute or two. Even after closing Vegas, I see all sorts of HD activity from the light on the case. What it's doing, I'm not sure, but I imagine it has to do with the swap file. Explorer is slow as a dog for a couple of minutes after using Vegas, but it eventually settles down and the speed returns. Granted, I only have 512MB of RAM, so more RAM will always help.

Rob Lohman
December 16th, 2004, 03:31 AM
That will certainly depend on the amount of RAM indeed. Sounds
like your PC is swapping a lot indeed Bobby!

Ashton Robinson
December 16th, 2004, 08:22 AM
So I'm new to editing but I have access to Vegas and Final Cut Pro. I am trying to achieve a look similar to the look of the Top Gear video shoots. The sky effects, the coloring, the lighting effects... I am unsure what questions I should even ask or where to start but I'd like to know which direction to go to get to my goal.

Here is an example of what I'm talking about.
Top Gear - Evo8 MR FQ 400 vs. Lamborghini Murcielago (http://www.wrxfanatics.com/video/Top%20Gear%20-%20Evo8%20MR%20FQ%20400%20vs%20Lamborghini%20Murcielago.avi)

Matthew Lombardo
December 16th, 2004, 11:36 AM
I have worked with vegas for the past week. I want to make sure I have the proper set-up for my computer. This way if something seems funny I know it's me being a new user and not the equipment being not up to par.

I have a:
Sony Vaio 1.5 ghz pent4
256 ram
60 gb ultra ata/100 hd

My camera is a XL1s

Please feel free to tell me what I need or suggest a upgrade?

Most of my projects will be under 5 minutes a few might reach
15 minutes. I will not use to many transitions or special effects, I know that might make a difference with rendering times.

Also, I have no problem spending money for quality items.

Thank you for your time.
Matt

Edward Troxel
December 16th, 2004, 11:45 AM
Assuming the computer also has firewire, it should work. I would look at getting more memory, though.

Matthew Lombardo
December 16th, 2004, 12:05 PM
I have 2 i links on my computer to input video.

Kevin Kwak
December 16th, 2004, 01:34 PM
Hello, I've imported a multimedia clip (320x240 pixel) from the digital camera. I then imported to the media bin and to the timeline.
But the clip does not show up on the timeline and only the sound.
Only the sound plays in the timeline because the video itself is not shown on the timeline.

What could be the problem?

Videoclip Info: 320x240
Bit Rate: 88kbps
Audio Sample Size: 8 bit
Audio Format: PCm
Video Frame Rte: 15 frames/sec
Data Rate: 281kbps
.avi clip

Kevin Kwak
December 16th, 2004, 01:55 PM
I found the solution. :)
A mjpeg codec is required in order for Vegas to display clips imported from a digicam.

Vince Debart
December 16th, 2004, 03:28 PM
when I went to 640 megs of Ram Vegas 4 ran much better ...

Vince

Brian Bechard
December 16th, 2004, 08:27 PM
I stupidly bought Vegas 5 w/out DVD Architect...I know I know. So how can I make the best of this situation since Sony doesn't appear to sell Architect seperately? Right now I'm authoring small projects with Nero 6.0, which is barebones.