If you export the footage to around 25Mbps of MPEG2, you could fit close to 2 hours in a 25 gig disc but you can easily fit a lot more without sacrificing the picture quality by exporting to around 15Mbps of h.264.

NetBlender to add Blu-ray Authoring to its High Definition Toolset
 

Toast 9 supports Blu-Ray Burning and some authoring
 

http://www.roxio.com/enu/company/press/08_03_17_pr.html

When someone is able to test this out... please post results.

I don't even have a Blu-Ray player yet (or Toast 9 for that matter)

Roxio's page says that it supports HD content from AVCHD camcorders and 'other HD content'.

Says it supports PS3 and burning Blu-Ray on standard DVD-R.

Doesn't look promising

http://forums.support.roxio.com/inde...howtopic=36424

http://forums.support.roxio.com/inde...howtopic=36461

Both Roxio threads focus on "Blu-ray" burning to standard DVDs (high-def on cheap media, only plays on some blu-ray players, 30 minute or so capacity). Has anyone tried a real Blu-ray disc - I'd assume that the MPEG-4 encode problem might still be there, and I wonder how compatible the disc would be (I've seen reports that a lot of Blu-ray players don't like recordable discs due to a DRM issue). If this is true, the whole video and indie movie community should really get on Sony's case about it. Copy-protecting the major studios' movies is almost OK (I say almost because it creates all sorts of hardware restrictions that make life difficult and expensive for people who aren't pirates), but using DRM to keep people from watching things the big studios DON'T have anything to do with smacks of censorship - you watch what we feed you, because we'll use our DRM might to keep the little guys from getting their movies out!

blu ray size question
 

Can some one tell me how long of a video I can put on a 25gb blu ray dvd at highest quality from Vegas?

Should I consider Blue Ray for program delivery?
 

I have been creating programs that, in some cases, are longer and file size larger than a single DVD-Dual Layer can accomodate. I am delivering finished edited programs to clients that then sell or market my work for me. I do not do any direct to consumer business.

I have to deliver the product in AVI format. The client then encodes it for distribution either as a DVD or via web download.

I have one client (in the Netherlands) that I trade portable hard drives with; but I don't want to tie up a lot of money in Hard Drives that float around. In this case they own the HD's and they are convenient for shipping a lot of video an still images. It is cheaper to send everything via FedEx in one HD.

So my questions are.

Should I consider Blue-Ray?

Will a Blue-Ray DVD hold more running time?

Will I have to purchase a Blue-Ray authoring/burning software program?

I will also have to get a Blue-Ray disk burner as well. Are there good ones out there for burning masters.

I edit with Sony Vegas Movie Studio+DVD. It does not support Blue-Ray as far as I can tell. Unless there are upgrades available for it.

I am not a techie on all this kind of stuff, so any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

On a 25G single-layer BD recordable disc this gives you approximately 3h42m for AVC or 2h15m for MPEG-2.

Thanks.....

The problem right now is that most people don't have Blu-ray players.

Blu-ray discs hold a lot more info...but they are a lot more $$.

You will have to buy a blu-ray burner and make sure your authoring program handles blu-ray. Your editing program doesn't make a difference (unless you're using it to author or encode DVD's).

Joliet and ISO9660 on Blu-Ray disc?
 

I am doing some tests with a very simple but complete Blu-Ray image that I have on the PC - I'm burning it on regular DVD-R disks, but using the UDF 2.50 filesystem. This way, the Playstation 3 accepts the disk as type "AVCHD" and plays it in full HD resolution, as if it were a genuine BD. No problems so far.

Now here's the thing: I use ImgBurn to burn the image on the DVD. I can select either just UDF 2.50, or I can add to it Joliet, ISO9660 or both.
For some reason, if I add any other filesystem to UDF 2.50, ImgBurn complains, saying there might be compatibility problems with some BD players. But the PS3, at least, has no such issues.

Are you aware of any BD players that might not like BD media that has Joliet and/or ISO9660 in addition to UDF 2.50?

I'd like to use all 3 filesystems at once, since that makes it easier to read those discs on some computers.

If your client is doing the encoding for final product delivery, and has a Blu-Ray drive (even if it only reads Blu-Ray disks) in their computer, then I can't see any reason why you couldn't deliver AVI files (using whatever codec you have been using), burned onto a Blu-Ray data disk. If you use BD-RE, your client could also return the disk for re-use.

DVD Studio Pro 5 (Blu-Ray) around NAB?
 

I know Apple won't officially be there, but Steve loves to drop things in the middle of other people's conferences... What do people think about the possibility of the Blu-Ray version of DVDSP showing up next week? I'm about to buy Premiere just to get Encore, but I'd certainly prefer the Apple end to end solution (I edit in Final Cut Pro)...


-Dan

Let us pray... or yell "HURRY THE @#$ UP!! We want it now!"

Indeed; if anyone is going to the LAFCPUG meeting in 'Vegas (I had planned to attend but instead have to finish directing a client edit) or learns of any *concrete* BR news for DVDSP5, be sure to post it on the Mac forum. Just make sure it's published information, not more rumour - we've all had enough guesswork.

SD video (DV AVI) future proofed for Blu Ray?
 

I have a question, with DV-AVI being captured from the DV tapes at SD quality (if shot in SD), when the Blueray format becomes the format to use, will we will be able to view our AVI's? (i.e. then we'll have HD screens and players, etc...).

I don't know if it's possible/worth it to uprez all the footage, but will these be safe for a long time, even after blue ray?

1080 30p Incompatible with Blu Ray?
 

Excuse me, this may not be entirely relavant to this board, but because of the excellent feedback I've received here about potential mis-information received elsewhere, I wonder if this is true? Someone on another forum just made the definite statement that "1080 30p is incompatible with Blu Ray". I don't have a Blu Ray burner yet, but will be getting one shortly. One of the reasons I purchased Prospect and then the EX-1 was to use 1080 30p. Am I barking up the wrong tree?

Get all the info on what is compatible from the horses mouth.

Blu-ray profile specification?
 

Hi everybody,

I'm authoring 50 and 60 Hz Blu-ray discs that will be used as part of an international standard. I want to make sure that the discs comply to the spec, and that I'm encoding for the highest possible quality.

Does anybody know where I can download or buy the BD media spec?

I don't need player or physical disc details. I just need to know the limits for encoding MPEG-4 AVC that will fit legally on the disc.

Thanks!

See Blu-ray Disc Public Specs.

Looking at the PDF paper available from that link, the max video bitrate for any of the supported video codecs is 40Mbps. The max audio bitrate depends on the audio codec used. For LPCM it's 27.648Mbps, for Dolby Digital 640kbps, for Dolby Digital Plus 4.736Mbps, for Dolby Lossless 18.64Mbps, for DTS digital surround 1.524Mbps, and for DTS-HD 24.5Mbps.

Perfect! Thanks!

Here's the direct link to the PDF:
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Assets/Do...tion-15496.pdf

BTW, at NAB, Sony showed 1080p60 from a Blu-ray disc. I asked the person staffing the display what was new, but didn't get a knowledgeable answer. Looking at the spec, it's clear that 1080p24 is supported, but not 1080p60.

Hopefully, 1080p60 will be supported with a future profile...

Thanks again for the reference!

There's nothing to stop you exporting 1080p30 as 1080i60, which certainly is BD compatible. Use two fields to create one progressive frame and the effect should be all but identical on the vast majority of capable displays.

Blu Ray 4x
 

Anyone know when 4x re-writable Blu Ray discs will be available?
Patrick

That's a great question. Maybe within the next few months since they have been producing burners with that capability for a few months.

Blue Ray
 

Anyone out there delivering on blue-ray yet? I have pretty much everything I need except the actual burner I havent had much call for it and I cant see spending a premium price when no one wants it yet. For those who are, what kind of discs do you use? I only see one inkjet printable out there (TDK) $19 each or are you using stick on labels (man I hope not)?

I have done one so far for a paid client. Using Encore CS3 to author. very flaky. Luckily I got everything done and the client is very happy about it. He told me he will be using PS3 for playback.

Oh, I bought the LG burner for $340. I'm sure the price is little bit low now.

Where did you see the inkjet printable blank BD? Link?

Where are you getting your blue ray disk? And how much are you paying?

Inkjet Blu-Ray Media
 

So it looks like TDK has printable Blu-Ray, and Imation is coming out with it soon. They are $18 each (on a spindle from the looks of it):
http://www.tapeonline.com/Blu-ray/TD...Printable.aspx

Falcon makes printable Blu-Ray for $15.49, but I've never heard of them:
http://www.discmakers.com/shop/ItemD...D=BDR010-00010

RiDATA's are non inkjet friendly, but are $10:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc..._-NA-_-NA-_-NA

I just can't deliver a wedding DVD without a proper label. Thoughts?

I have some TDK BD-R discs which are inkjet printable with some TDK labeling across the middle, and I think they're the same as the ones at Tapeonline for $11.47. Not an ideal solution due to the TDK logo, but functional.

I could pry design around the logo, but it may not be worth it if I'm just saving a few bucks. I'll wait and see; it turns out my client that wants his Blu-Ray hasn't bought a player yet, so I still have time. ;o)

Blu-Ray burner and AVCHD question
 

I have the sony hc3 hd camera and Im a bit confused about blu-ray and avchd.
I don’t yet have a blu-ray player but I do have the new LG Blu-Ray burner.
I have made hd-dvd movies on regular 4.7 and double layer discs and the quality was amazing. I get 40 minutes on a DL.
I see that if I burn my movie as avchd I can get 60 minutes on a DL.
My questions are..
Will the avchd dvd look as good as the hd-dvd one?
Will the HD video look better when I write to a 25g blu-ray disc or just the same as burned as avchd?
What kind of files burn to a 25g blu-ray disk I only get a 2 hour movie on the disc.
hope this makes sense
thanks in advance

James, these are questions I was going to ask a swell, so I'm following this post closely.

Ross

Let's start by noting that the HC3 records video in the HDV format with a data rate of 25 Mbps, which works out to about 12GB per hour including audio. So with Blu-ray you can fit around two hours of footage at the full quality recorded by the camera, and if you're just copying raw footage you may be able to do so without time-consuming compression to the AVCHD format. AVCHD is useful for packing HD video onto a standard DVD-R disc, but then you have to worry about whether this will work on Blu-ray players. By the way, AVCHD was the typical encoding format for HD-DVDs, so the quality you were getting that way should be identical to using AVCHD for Blu-ray delivery.

Hope that helps put some perspective on all this.

Blu Ray Mpeg 2 or H.264?
 

What is the difference, other than size, for using either of these to burn a Blu Ray disc in Vegas?

I'm in the middle of making a Blu-ray disc, and chose MPEG-2 for these reasons:

* Making a 60i (and 50i) MPEG-2 file that uses lots of bits is easy - just use the preset.
* The MPEG-2 file uses most of the available bandwidth.
* The MPEG-2 file is widely compatible.

The Vegas presets with h.264, however, resulted in fewer bits per second. Maybe the encoding quality is higher, but the overall quality wasn't as high as it could have been, given the lower bit rate. Also, I wasn't as convinced that it would be widely compatible with various authoring tools. I didn't have the money to buy a higher quality encoder, and I didn't have the time to test for compatibility.

That said, I am looking forward to when the standard Vegas h.264 encoder can max the bitrate of a Blu-ray disc with 100% compatibility (no re-encoding) with other authoring tools. That would have been my preference.

The video I have is just over 2 hours and won't fit on a 25GB disc. I think I'm going to encode as MPG2 and just buy a couple of 50GB discs.

Blu-Ray for Mac - It will happen (sooner than later hopefully)
 

http://www.electronista.com/articles...blu.ray.talks/

In traditional Apple form they made no comment but also didn't deny the talks.

DVD Arch 5.0 - Blu-ray & DVD from same project?
 

I've read some promises of being able to burn Blu-ray discs and DVDs from the same authored project, but after going through the manual, reviewing these boards, and going through all the menus of both a DVD and Blu-ray project, I have yet to find a way to make this happen. Am I missing something? Or do I actually have to rebuild both versions from scratch separately?

I just realized that these promises may actually refer to burning a Blu-ray project onto both a BD-R and a DVD-R, where both would have a Blu-ray video. I was hoping this meant I could burn a standard DVD version of the same Blu-ray project without re-authoring the whole thing. All of my clients want a standard DVD of their HD projects to share with family & friends, virtually none of whom have HD players. Is that doable? Otherwise, the quickest way I can think to do it is to have both a DVD and Blu-ray project open, then copy and paste from one to another. Is that the best I can do for now?

Got it!
 

Don't know how I missed it: File - Properties - Disc Format, easy enough! I had gotten to the same Project Properties window a different way, and there the disc switching option was grayed out.