HDV to Bluray Render Settings?
 

I have a few identical clips shot with a Canon HV-20 at 1080 60i. These were capture with Cineform Prospect. I have combined these in Vegas 8 to a short test movie. A few crossfades, but no color correction or other changes. I have done the exact same thing in Premier Pro. The rendering settings in both Vegas 8 and Premier were as close to the same as they allow. I used mpeg-2, variable bit 25M-20M-4M 1080x60i upper field. When I take the resultant .m2v files into Movie Factory 6 plus and burn to an HDDVD on a DVD-R, the results are very different. The Premier file looks perfect. The Vegas file is over all much darker with lost shadow detail and blown out highlights.
Also, on the Vegas rendered file there is more artifacting. In one scene there is a mountain side on the left half of the frame. There is a fire on it with losts of smoke. The right half of the frame is mostly just smoke/white sky with an extreme amount of pixilation as the camera slowly pans. The Premiere clips look perfect. The version of Premier that I have is 1.5 - several years old. I have standardized on Vegas - as I prefer it. I know it is capable of rendering out files that are equal to Premiere.

My Question is: What are the best settings to use for outputing HDV footage to HD mpeg-2 for bluray/HDDVD? I have gone over my setting and I don't see anything a miss. I am using 8bit, I can't find where the setting is, but I know you can set Vegas 8 to encode at 32bit. Is that the problem? I attempted to add screen captures of my Vegas 8 settings, but It took a long time, then spit back "the server was reset."
I sure appreciate any recommendations. IT would be nice if there was a listing on the forum of the optimal settings for outputting to DVD, BluRay, etc.
Thanks - Paul

PS My BluRay player - Panasonic BD-30 does not accept bluray burned onto a dvd-r. I wish it would, but the Toshiba HDDVD has no problem with it, hence that is why I use Movie Factory 6, as it is cheaper to test with dvd-r then $15 bluray discs.

Encore CS3 vs DVD Archtect for Blu-ray Authoring
 

Apologies if this is the wrong category to place this. Anyone here know how Encore CS3's Blu-ray authoring/burning chops stack up to Sony's DVD Architect? I have seen horror stories about the former. And as I continually have problems even installing Encore CS3 on my XP box (long story-even Adobe gave up), let alone author with it, I am seriously considering the latter. Any thoughts?

Printable Blu-ray BD-Rs?
 

Does anybody make printable Blu-ray BD-Rs? If so, please let me know the source.

If not, how do we release semi-pro (not mass produced, but not labeled with a Sharpie either) HD discs?

Thanks in advance!

Thanks Pete! The Verbatim inkjet discs should do the trick.

Verbatim (96661) DataLifePlus Blu-ray 25GB 2X White Inkjet Printable BD-R 25 Disc in Cake Box

Delkin External Blu-Ray drive
 

Has anyone tried the new Delkin external blu-ray drive for mastering blu-ray DVDs.

Digital camera accessories and OEM flash manufacturer - Delkin Devices

it is probably nothing more than an LG blu-ray drive in an external box.
my problem would be more with the USB connection (e-sata would be better), but it probably works fine.

BluRay license explained
 

Great article from DiscMakers - explaining the ins and outs of BluRay licensing. For those who don't get the DiscMakers bulletin

DVD vs. Blu-ray


It does a great job explaining where the money goes, as well as where the bottleneck is for BD development.

Frankly I'm sick of Blu-ray and AACS.

There really needs to be an Indie level content protection system that would allow say Divx HD discs to be made with appropriate protection.

It's foolish to think that you can design a foolproof system. I think the goal for Indies should be content protection that is affordable and thwarts all but the %20 of hackers that are unstoppable.

Sinking $5 thousand dollars into your first Blu-ray project even before you started pressing discs is just crazy.

I recently completed a project for IEC that includes a BD. (Yes, that's my name in the press release...)

IEC - News releases > nr3608 - IEC International Standard brings energy efficiency to LCD and plasma TVs

Our volumes are low so we duplicate (burn the discs and engrave the labels), rather than replicate (press.) I think this is the right path for most indies.

A good strategy would be to get all of your ducks in a row, so you can pay the license fee and press discs quickly, just in case demand grows. That way you're not stuck with inventory, if sales bomb. If sales take off, the license fee will be a drop in the bucket, compared to the labor cost of burning tons of discs.

BTW, for low volumes, you don't really need copy protection. There's not enough demand for the big-time thieves to get involved, and not much chance that someone who wants your disc will come across somebody willing to make them a copy.

Sure, the situation isn't perfect, but it's workable.

Vegas to Edit, Premiere to Render to Blu-ray
 

Everyone here has been so helpful that I thought I'd share this.

As you may know, I had a feature length HD project that I wanted to deliver via Blu-ray, using the Vegas 32-bit option. Unfortunately, no matter what I did, Vegas would crash. The 8-bit renders work. It's only the 32-bit that crahses my system, but the 8-bit renders were too harsh and contrasty.

Out of deperation, I decided to export my timeline to AAF, then import it into Premiere for rendering/burning to Blu-ray.

Well, it worked. Premiere does an awesome 20-25MBPS Blu-ray (vs 15 MBPS for Vegas). However, there were some issues:

1. Transitions all become dissolves. No problem, I can pre-render that part of timeline to AVI before export and eliminate the transition coding. Or, I can add the transitions in Premiere, but I don't want to edit in Premiere.

2. Premiere lied to me. Or perhaps I misunderstood. I thought the render would take about three hours, but the whole process, including the burn was close to 13 hours and that was for just half of my project. I don't mind long renders as long as I can count on them to finish and Premiere did not let me down. Next time, I'll let Premiere work the third shift.

3. I think Vegas generated media also needs to be converted to AVI before the export. BTW, does Vegas create a file for each generated media event, or is it produced on-the-fly? I couldn't find the files.

All in all, this proved to be a good workflow that let me utilize the best of two popular NLEs and produce the high quality Blu-ray result I was looking for.

I'm confused why you're going to Premiere for the encode...Having tested both encoders...The new Adobe Media Encoder is *MUCH* better than it was, but IMO, Vegas encoder, properly set up, does a better job.
That said....
Generated media is generated on the fly, just as the name implies. You have to create a video file before exporting over AAF. Generated media is 4.4.4 media, and you'll likely want at least a 4:2:2 uncompressed to keep masks and so forth clean....

Thanks Douglas. Vegas was crashing when I rendered using 32-bit and 8-bit was coming out with too much contrast. I would have loved to stay in Vegas, but exorting to Adobe for render provided the only solution I could find.

However, if you have any sugestions that would allow me to render with 32-bit interpolation in Vegas, I'd be thrilled. BTW, I own your Vegas book and it's terrific--very well written and well organzied.

Differences between CS3 and CS4 concerning Blu-Ray authoring.
 

1. What’s the biggest differences?

2. If a documentary was done using either CS2 or CS3, wound it easily migrate to CS4 without any issues at all? Or would it be better to just upgrade Encore for authoring to Blu-Ray?

Blu ray template for vegas and EX1
 

Does anyone from pal land have a render template for blu ray.
I need to get it sorted quick and haven't got time to play around and find settings.
Does the template differ according to the format which was recorded, ie 1440x1080/50i, 1920x1080/50i or 720/50p ?

Is one of these formats better than the other if i know i'm going to be producing a blu ray disc ?

What's the better output, mpeg or avc ?

Thanks.
Paul.

sorry Paul I dont, i use sonic dvdit pro hd and it doesnt like the blu ray files I import from vegas so i use sorenson VC1 24p files. they seem pretty good and are 100% blu ray compatable.(only 24p though as 25i is broken for PAL and 25p is non bluray legal), Ive told sorenson but they dont seem to be able to fix it)
I dont think avc is better than Mpeg but you will prob get more onto a disc due to the compression.
FYI mainconcept reference has templates that will work fine for AVC, VC1 and MPEG, Ive tried them out but cant justify the cost of the pro versions just yet.(non pro versions are too restrictive on bit rate for AVC and VC1)
sorry not much help but if your in a hurry Reference will work for you.

I don't have CS4, but my understanding is that CS4 allows subtitles and pop up menu options that CS3 does not.

That is the reason I am planning on upgrading.

What are the best Encore CS3 setting for Blu-Ray
 

I edit in Final Cut 6.0.5 and export full size QuickTime 1080p then into Compressor. Out of Compressor I use Mpeg 2 with the BluRay option setting the bit rate 40 max and 30 min and full 1080.

Then I import into Encore CS3 and have been testing settings. Since my footage is 30p (29.97) in FC I choose 29.97i (ugh) in Encore and have been able to burn a disk. It will not be until tomorrow that I can view on a BluRay player. But in Encore preview it is very poor quality. I have been through all the options I can think of with settings.

Question:
What settings are people using out of Encore to achieve high quality BluRay disk?

My burner is the MCE internal for Mac.

Blu-ray rendering questions
 

Hi folks,

I'm new to blu-ray rendering and just upgraded to Vegas 8.0. What Vegas 8.0 video quality rendering settings are recommended for use with DVD Architect 5.0 to burn onto Blu-ray? I realize that with a Blu-ray disc you probably don't need to compress and can set the quality setting to high, but I've read that the human eye can't perceive more than 95% quality anyway so would it be ok to set it at 95% quality to save on render time and hard drive space?

Also, I'm used to rendering files to DVD architect in .mpg 2 format but Vegas 8 seems to export the Blu-ray files in .m2v format - so I assume .m2v is the right file type for Blu-ray?

For rendering audio for blu-ray from Vegas should I still render as AC3 Dolby stereo?

Also, can you recommend a good Blu-ray disc supplier with decent prices? I've read there are different blu-ray disc types and wonder which one would be readable by most Blu-ray players?

Thanks much for your thoughts and advice.

Charmaine

I grudgingly embraced Vegas, not that I wanted it but because it was a lower price alternative, and somewhat essential to my XDCAM-EX1 workflow.

But I have to admit, it's grown on me. I'm impressed.

Other than that, Vegas/DVDA gives you pretty good tools for authoring Blu-ray. Rather than recommending what's right for you, I would encourage you to experiment with it. You'll discover a number of paths you can take. It's my observation that 8.0(c) renders acceptably fast, or even smart renders if you use the appropriate project settings. DVDA makes very attractive and functional menus as well, have good compatibility probably for foregoing the BD-java.

Blu-ray rendering questions
 

Thanks Tom.

I've been using DVDA 4.0 and am pretty happy with it and Vegas. I've found anything made by Sony is excellent. To me Sony products = peace of mind.

Blu-Ray 720P30
 

I have a question. I deliver 1080P30 Blu-ray discs by using 60i settings. I'm considering the hmc-150 and wanted to know how would you get 720P30 to a playable Blu-ray disc? The specs for blu-ray in 720P is only 24P and 60P. I've searched 4 different forums and no answer yet. How do you get 720P30 into a playable BD disc? Thanks

Monday

Doing HD first time this year.. what player to get?
 

This year is my first season delivering weddings on blu-ray. I need to get a blu-ray player for quality checks and playback on TV. Torn between getting a stand alone blu-ray DVD player or a PS3. As a sheer percentage, does the PS3 account for the largest number of blu-ray players out there? In other words, it would be smart to get the most popular player out there for quality check..

Any pro/con of getting a PS3 over a stand-alone blu-ray player? One thing I gathered is that the PS3 is more future-proof, whereas the stand-alone will be exactly as you bought it with up upgrade path. Oh and the fact that it plays games is another plus.. ;)

FWIW - The Criterion Collection uses the PS3 as it's "reference deck" for it's Blu-Ray offerings.

FCP Blueray solution
 

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Thanks, I think you might have justified me purchasing a PS3!