Raw samples of Canon XF300 & Sony EX1R

[Steve Phillipps]

There definitely seems to be something odd going on here. Why are the pics so different? Lighting totally different, even the background colour has changed which must mean the settings on the cameras are totally different.
The Canon looks miles sharper than the Sony for sure, but I'd say the Sony image looks nicer in overall terms, less plastic/video looking.
But, there's definitely something not right, there's no way the Canon should look that much sharper is there?
Steve

[Nicholas de Kock]

Originally Posted by Ivan Pin

Nicholas,
I have no info about the lighting conditions during the tests.
The site has several other tests of camcoders from different manufacturers.

Steve I agree, judging from Ivan's response on the matter I don't think that these tests were meant to be a comparison between different cameras. About the only thing we can accurately say is that the XF300 seems much sharper than the EX1 but as far as colour goes we'll need to wait for better tests to show up. Canon has always had the upper hand in high quality lenses - the increased sharpness is probably due to new lens developed for the XF300.

[Steve Phillipps]

Seems like too big a difference to be just the lens to me though. The EX1 lens is actually pretty good. On the head shot there is just no detail in the hairs on the EX1 shot at all.
Steve

[Chris Hurd]

Yeah, I have to agree with Steve. It's too weird for my taste. And I've
changed my mind about wanting to host these files. I'll have nothing
to do with it at all. This just reaffirms the need for our own controlled
side-by-side testing here at DV Info Net. I have plenty of bandwidth
available for that.

[Barlow Elton]

Originally Posted by Jeff Anselmo

Hi Barlow,

Thanks for that screen grab. The pic looks really sharp at those settings!

Any chance you can upload raw MXF files that you captured?

Best,

Yeah, no prob, if Chris doesn't mind hosting them for a while. They are rather large files though, I think the smallest is around 200 MB. I wasn't really thinking about getting short clips for raw file uploads, and it's just showroom stuff but the footage is a fairly good indicator of how the camera handles a few real world situations.

[Jeff Anselmo]

Hi Barlow,

Yeah, that'd be great!

And sounds like that Chris has plenty of room for the files :)

Best,

[Chris Hurd]

Hey Barlow -- thanks and please shoot me an email, chris at dvinfo dot net.

I've had a couple of other offers from folks with native MXF clips
to share as well, so y'all can look for the download links soon.

[Les Wilson]

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

I'll have nothing to do with it at all. This just reaffirms the need for our own controlled side-by-side testing here at DV Info Net. I have plenty of bandwidth
available for that.

Chris,
Ditto, my cynic light was blaring full on the moment I saw the EX footage was a different perspective and exposure.

I seem to recall a review of the XL1 you did on your back patio where you used a tractor by the back fence to illustrate you point. And to think, it was just something you "Threw Together" for the XL1 Watchdog. Haha

And, as I recall, gathering good information was the genesis for the Watchdog now DVINFO site.

[Chris Hurd]

Thanks Les -- yes the Info in DV Info Net stands for Information
with a capital i, and I believe anything less than real information
is worse than useless. That's why I won't allow links to these
nonsense "camera rumors" sites and other online junk.

We'll work on getting an EX and an XF side by side.

[Barlow Elton]

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

Hey Barlow -- thanks and please shoot me an email, chris at dvinfo dot net.

I've had a couple of other offers from folks with native MXF clips
to share as well, so y'all can look for the download links soon.

Email sent!

There's a lot I wish I had to time to go over about the camera, but I think comparing it to the EX1 is probably the matchup that makes the most sense. In fact, the XF seems extremely EX-like, with maybe better overall refinements, but with one obvious tradeoff too. (1/3" vs 1/2")

[Bruce Rawlings]

I think Alister Chapman is hoping to do some tests in a more organised way to demonstrate the real difference (or not) between the 2 cameras.

[Laurence Janus]

I would just like to thank Ivan for the links.
Maybe the lynchmob could relax a little considering how much useful information these clips give.

[Michael Assadourian]

Hi Chris,

Just wanted to make sure you received my email a few days ago. I have footage I shot with a loaner XF305 camera. I'd like to help out if I can.

Thanks,

Mike

[Chris Hurd]

Hi Mike, you've got mail! Thanks,

[Tom Bostick]

these were taken by: cowpunk52

Here are a couple of frame graps from my XF300. I haven't had a whole lot of time to get to know it lately, but yesterday I shot a couple of very quick audition scenes for an actor friend of mine to send to a NY production.

These are completely available light setups. I probably overexposed the first one a little. I was shooting completely handheld, and there is some motion blur in the actor's face because he was talking. I used a slightly tweaked version of Alan Roberts' BBC Film-look.

f/2, -6db
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/47652/1279305182.jpg

f/2 (i think), +6db
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/47652/1279305278.jpg