Best editing Software for XH A1 Camcorder at DVinfo.net

Ralph Bowman · October 10th, 2007, 10:42 PM

Which is the best editing software for the A1 that handles capture, 24f, and transcoding in and out for DVD creation. EDius, Vegas, Premiere, Avid, or Final Cut? Personal taste or are their true pitfalls to be avoided?

Thanks for your input.

Ralph Bowman

Pete Bauer · October 11th, 2007, 12:09 AM

Most of the major editing applications handle Canon F mode now AND have trial versions. Some people like a particular way of doing things, some like the opposite. Take a look through DV/HDV/HD Post-Production...and Beyond forums where you'll find hours of reading on NLE's. Then try a couple of the trials out. They all do the job but they all have bugs. It is entirely a personal decision.

Michael Friedman · October 11th, 2007, 01:59 AM

Your decision could be narrowed down significantly by merely picking Mac or PC.

If you are going with a Mac, it seems that Final Cut is very feature rich and obviously optimized for the OS.

If you are going PC, you have more choices but I get the sense that Vegas is winning a lot of people over these days.

I have used Avid, Final Cut and Premiere. I like elements of all of them. I am on a Mac so it was down to Avid and FCP for me. I went with Final Cut. I would have been happy with either. I don't think you will really get 'burned' with any of the top picks.

Winfried Dobbe · October 11th, 2007, 01:47 PM

Quote 'If you are going PC, you have more choices'.

I don't agree. If you look at the major edit applications, you have at least as much choice on a Mac as on a PC:

Mac: Final Cut Express/Studio, Adobe Premiere/Production Suite, Avid Xpress/Media Composer
PC: Sony Vegas, Adobe Premiere/Production Suite, Avid Xpress/Media Composer

Bill Pryor · October 11th, 2007, 03:18 PM

I'm using FCP, and it handles 24f fine. I just click on the 1080P24 HDV easy setup and make sure the sequence setting (23.98) matches. No problems at all.

Paul Cronin · October 11th, 2007, 03:21 PM

Avid Liquid 7.2 works great with the A1 in all modes.

Bryan Gilchrist · October 11th, 2007, 10:05 PM

When I was looking into getting the XH-A1, the only software out there that was compatible with HDV was Final Cut, so I opted for it and a Mac.

I was considering a Matrox system with Premiere, but it didn't do HDV back then.

If this is your first foray into editing, I would go with a Mac and start with Final Cut Express til you learn the jist of things. Diving head first into Final Cut Pro/Studio is a bit of a learning curve, even if you've used other NLE's like Vegas.

When I started editing, it was on 3/4" and VHS. Boy, how the times have changed.

Jerrod Cordell · October 12th, 2007, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan Gilchrist

When I was looking into getting the XH-A1, the only software out there that was compatible with HDV was Final Cut, so I opted for it and a Mac.

I was considering a Matrox system with Premiere, but it didn't do HDV back then.

If this is your first foray into editing, I would go with a Mac and start with Final Cut Express til you learn the jist of things. Diving head first into Final Cut Pro/Studio is a bit of a learning curve, even if you've used other NLE's like Vegas.

When I started editing, it was on 3/4" and VHS. Boy, how the times have changed.

The only problem with Final Cut Express is that it can't capture 24f HDV, so that's kind of out of the question.

I personally have and love Final Cut Studio 2. I've used Adobe Premiere 6 before and used the trial version of CS3, and it was okay but I didn't like it as much. But either way, most of the top editing software is very similar and it's all a question of where everything is located.

Mark Fry · October 15th, 2007, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Cronin

Avid Liquid 7.2 works great with the A1 in all modes.

Avid Liquid is probably the best-featured HDV editor for the money. It is able to work with the native MPEG footage, so no need to convert to an intermediate codec first (though you can if you wish). It has excellect colour correction and compositing tools built-in, more transitions than anyone could ever wish for, and DVD authoring from the time-line. Some find the user-interface "quirky" but it's very quick and versatile with a little practice. Background rendering and instant saving make your time at the keyboard very productive. It doesn't need any special hardware, but it does need a powerful PC (Core2Duo, 2 GB RAM, 256MB PCI-Express graphics card) and is quite picky about graphics cards and Firewire interfaces (but that's true of all NLEs).

One thing to check very carefully when comparing NLEs is the playback options. Do you have to render your sequence before you can view it at full 1080-line resolution? AFAIK, Canopus Edius working with a Canopus HD card is the only one that can do it without rendering, at the moment. How long does rendering take? What are the low-resolution play-back options? Can you record the finished product back to your camera, and if so, in which modes (the current version of Liquid will record to the XH-A1 in 60i/50i but not in 24F/25F/30F, though it will capture all frame modes).

The best advice is to see a few demos, then download some trial versions (if you have fast Broadband!)

Andris Krastins · October 15th, 2007, 07:54 AM

I myself prefer Sony Vegas, I think it's the best compromise for power/ease of use/price.

I didn't like the Premier interface, it looked too crowded and my productivity decreased significantly.
But for each his own, as others have already suggested here, try trial versions and decide for yourself.

Paul Cronin · October 16th, 2007, 06:16 AM

One of the great things about the Avid Liquid interface is with a simple right click you can customize most of the menus to add or remove as you like.

Chris Smith · November 4th, 2007, 10:49 PM

I have Vegas 8 and for over a month have been told by Sony that they don't have a fix to allow Version 8 to capture 24f even though Version 7 did. My most recent explanation has been that Sony can't afford to buy a XH-A1 to work out the problem. I myself am looking at Adobe very soon even though I just bought Vegas for the upgrade price. By the way, they recommended that I use HDV Split to capture. I told them that I found it ridiculous to go out of the high priced supposedly all-inclusive software to a free-ware program to perform a function that already worked in a previous version. Go figure. Everyone needs to write Sony and let them know we XH-A1/G1 owners aren't happy.

Bill Busby · November 5th, 2007, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Smith

My most recent explanation has been that Sony can't afford to buy a XH-A1 to work out the problem.

Puhleeeze! :D

btw... it's not nice to double post

Chris Smith · November 5th, 2007, 12:57 PM

I couldn't believe that explanation either Bill. I told them to just revert back to Ver. 7 and whatever they changed...don't!

BTW - I only double posted because I thought this was an important issue for Ralph's original question and the other post is for my sake in hoping that someone has the magic formula I need to make this thing work. It's extremely aggravating with the kind of answers I've been getting from Sony. I hate to pay that much money for a program and have to find a work-around.

William Boehm · November 13th, 2007, 11:20 AM

I have seen for those using a PC that there is a preference for either Vegas 8 or Avid Liquid 7. The cost factor seems prohibitive for PP 3, and cineform for the int. codec. It also seems to need a high learning curve for use.

Acknowledging personal preference in the formula, for those of us just starting fresh without editing experience, is this a proper summary for a beginner who just wants to create professional video with transitions and music, dubbing wildlife sounds and time lapes?
1. Liquid Avid 7. Able to render, edit with intuitive process.

2. Vegas 8 for 60 i that likewise can render and work without intermediate codec.

Both one and two would be a function of video card and processor?

It seems the general consensus is that Adobe PP 3 is not intuitive and straight forward for beginners, and must be interfaced with Cineform. Both are expensive to purchase, and time consuming to learn? thanks for any input.

October 10th, 2007, 10:42 PM	#1
Ralph Bowman Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Grants Pass, Oregon Posts: 59	Best editing Software for XH A1 Camcorder Which is the best editing software for the A1 that handles capture, 24f, and transcoding in and out for DVD creation. EDius, Vegas, Premiere, Avid, or Final Cut? Personal taste or are their true pitfalls to be avoided? Thanks for your input. Ralph Bowman

October 11th, 2007, 12:09 AM	#2
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Most of the major editing applications handle Canon F mode now AND have trial versions. Some people like a particular way of doing things, some like the opposite. Take a look through DV/HDV/HD Post-Production...and Beyond forums where you'll find hours of reading on NLE's. Then try a couple of the trials out. They all do the job but they all have bugs. It is entirely a personal decision. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

October 11th, 2007, 01:59 AM	#3
Michael Friedman Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Los Angeles, USA Posts: 57	What Platform? Your decision could be narrowed down significantly by merely picking Mac or PC. If you are going with a Mac, it seems that Final Cut is very feature rich and obviously optimized for the OS. If you are going PC, you have more choices but I get the sense that Vegas is winning a lot of people over these days. I have used Avid, Final Cut and Premiere. I like elements of all of them. I am on a Mac so it was down to Avid and FCP for me. I went with Final Cut. I would have been happy with either. I don't think you will really get 'burned' with any of the top picks.

October 11th, 2007, 03:21 PM	#6
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Avid Liquid 7.2 works great with the A1 in all modes. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

October 15th, 2007, 07:54 AM	#10
Andris Krastins Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Lielvārde, Latvia Posts: 326	I myself prefer Sony Vegas, I think it's the best compromise for power/ease of use/price. I didn't like the Premier interface, it looked too crowded and my productivity decreased significantly. But for each his own, as others have already suggested here, try trial versions and decide for yourself. __________________ Our Fire Films - a free film project.

October 11th, 2007, 01:47 PM	#4
Winfried Dobbe Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amersfoort, Netherlands Posts: 85	Quote 'If you are going PC, you have more choices'. I don't agree. If you look at the major edit applications, you have at least as much choice on a Mac as on a PC: Mac: Final Cut Express/Studio, Adobe Premiere/Production Suite, Avid Xpress/Media Composer PC: Sony Vegas, Adobe Premiere/Production Suite, Avid Xpress/Media Composer

October 11th, 2007, 03:18 PM	#5
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	I'm using FCP, and it handles 24f fine. I just click on the 1080P24 HDV easy setup and make sure the sequence setting (23.98) matches. No problems at all.

October 11th, 2007, 10:05 PM	#7
Bryan Gilchrist Major Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 224	When I was looking into getting the XH-A1, the only software out there that was compatible with HDV was Final Cut, so I opted for it and a Mac. I was considering a Matrox system with Premiere, but it didn't do HDV back then. If this is your first foray into editing, I would go with a Mac and start with Final Cut Express til you learn the jist of things. Diving head first into Final Cut Pro/Studio is a bit of a learning curve, even if you've used other NLE's like Vegas. When I started editing, it was on 3/4" and VHS. Boy, how the times have changed.

October 16th, 2007, 06:16 AM	#11
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	One of the great things about the Avid Liquid interface is with a simple right click you can customize most of the menus to add or remove as you like. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

November 4th, 2007, 10:49 PM	#12
Chris Smith New Boot Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 6	Forget Vegas 8 for 24f until there's a fix I have Vegas 8 and for over a month have been told by Sony that they don't have a fix to allow Version 8 to capture 24f even though Version 7 did. My most recent explanation has been that Sony can't afford to buy a XH-A1 to work out the problem. I myself am looking at Adobe very soon even though I just bought Vegas for the upgrade price. By the way, they recommended that I use HDV Split to capture. I told them that I found it ridiculous to go out of the high priced supposedly all-inclusive software to a free-ware program to perform a function that already worked in a previous version. Go figure. Everyone needs to write Sony and let them know we XH-A1/G1 owners aren't happy.

November 5th, 2007, 12:57 PM	#14
Chris Smith New Boot Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 6	I couldn't believe that explanation either Bill. I told them to just revert back to Ver. 7 and whatever they changed...don't! BTW - I only double posted because I thought this was an important issue for Ralph's original question and the other post is for my sake in hoping that someone has the magic formula I need to make this thing work. It's extremely aggravating with the kind of answers I've been getting from Sony. I hate to pay that much money for a program and have to find a work-around.

November 13th, 2007, 11:20 AM	#15
William Boehm Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bothell, Washington Posts: 195	I have seen for those using a PC that there is a preference for either Vegas 8 or Avid Liquid 7. The cost factor seems prohibitive for PP 3, and cineform for the int. codec. It also seems to need a high learning curve for use. Acknowledging personal preference in the formula, for those of us just starting fresh without editing experience, is this a proper summary for a beginner who just wants to create professional video with transitions and music, dubbing wildlife sounds and time lapes? 1. Liquid Avid 7. Able to render, edit with intuitive process. 2. Vegas 8 for 60 i that likewise can render and work without intermediate codec. Both one and two would be a function of video card and processor? It seems the general consensus is that Adobe PP 3 is not intuitive and straight forward for beginners, and must be interfaced with Cineform. Both are expensive to purchase, and time consuming to learn? thanks for any input.