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Thanks Allan, I'll remember that.
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My AT-822 arrived last Friday. Looking forward to using this with my XH-A1.
Thanks to this thread for the initial advice and Allan for the recent advice. If I could ask a couple quick follow up questions... Quote:
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Also Allan, I'm still sorting out what mount to go with for using my AT-822 with my K-tek boompole, but have noted your advice for the Rode SM4
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Mostly mono shotguns are used on booms to reach out to get the mic close to the person speaking. Stereo mics mount on the camera so the stereo sound left and right, matches the viewed scene, left and right. The better AT822 replaces the lesser quality A1 cam mic. The general rule is, speech for video should be recorded mono not stereo. There are cases where you might put a stereo mic on a boom for video, eg: to get it up in front of a choir. Combining stereo speech L+R to get mono in post will likely cause cancellation problems and should be avoided. Cheers. |
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I think my AT-822 will be having it's main home on my camera. I'm also thinking of using it with a mini tripod to record stand up (that's the main thing i record). If i do that set up, i'll prob just use whatever sound is recorded from my built in mic. Quote:
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Yes the AT822 works in the SM4 shockmount, it also screws onto my Gitzo boom if I want to use a suitable *mono* shotgun with SM4. As I said I never use the stereo AT822 on a boom.
Hey! I found that shoe adaptor, note the thread sizes. This screws directly into my SM4 so I can use it with my AT822 on the Canons A1s shoe. Audio-Technica | AT8469 Camera Shoe Mount to | AT8469 | B&H Quote:
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I found this one post which describes the differences between the SM3, SM4, and the SM5: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/canon-xh-...tml#post767384 Unless you suggest anything else for my needs, I'll go with the SM4 like you have. [QUOTE=Allan Black;943711] Hey! I found that shoe adaptor, note the thread sizes. This screws directly into my SM4 so I can use it with my AT822 on the Canons A1s shoe. Audio-Technica | AT8469 Camera Shoe Mount to | AT8469 | B&H Hmm.. you know, looking at what a new AT-822 comes with (Audio-Technica | AT822 - Stereo Microphone | AT822 | B&H Photo ), it says Camera Shoe Mount adapter. I googled around and it seems that the camera adapter should in fact be the AT8469 you've linked to. The only thing is that the AT-822 I bought used is missing some stuff. I believe I'm missing this adapter (in addition to the Gun Grip Snap in Stand Clamp, (AT8120) Windscreen, and the 10' (3 m) Cable (XLRF-Type to Two Mono 3.5 mm Mini-Plugs)). But thinking again, maybe that shoe mount adapter is in there. I hope it is because it'll save me $10, and also, if I was to just get this adapter alone from B&H Photo, it'd be a waste to just buy this and ship it. It'd be better to buy with something else (I would be getting the SM4 from B&H, but I found it cheaper on Amazon through a diff seller so I am leaning towards grabbing it from there). Quote:
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You might need an adaptor to mate the SM4 to your K-Tek boom, I needed this one for mine and it's handy to have anyway.
General Brand | Microphone Reducer Bushing - 5/8" to | B&H My new AT822 didn't come with all the accessories either, I thought I was getting a good deal but it was missing the AT shoe adaptor and the twin cables. By the time I got those...it wasn't a deal at all. The SM3 has a shoe mount and won't fit your boom unless you can find a shoe to threaded adaptor somewhere. I think it's better to go the other way with the SM4. If you buy the NTG-2 at the top of the B&H page it's $249 saving $20. I can see you're really watching the costs so check all this carefully if you don't want to end up wasting money, what I've got works for me but maybe not for you. Cheers. |
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I appreciate your responses as usual Allan...
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Well, a new one goes for $250 and I paid $125 used for my AT-822 (well.. $130 if you consider shipping). So far, the missing Audio-Technica AT8469 Camera Shoe Mount to 5/8-27" Threaded Base Adapter has set me back an extra $10. I wonder if that's all I should get - I don't think I need those twin cables.. at least anytime soon. Quote:
For the mic, I think I'm leaning towards the NTG-2 as per your suggestion too. I didn't know there was a $249 version with no mount, but that sounds like the one to lean towards. Would I need something else when using this mic with the pole I have and the mount I'm considering? Like another XLR wire, etc. Thanks for noticing that I am watching my money - I'm just buying so many things at once so I'd like to save wherever possible. I appreciate all your advice though. I know you said that what you have use may not work for me, but I do need a place to start and your suggestions do seem pretty in line with other stuff I've read both in here and other forums (For example, minidisc.org where the AT-822 was first suggested to me). So I definitely would like to hear you out whenever you have advice and suggestions.
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Allan,
just went ahead and purchased all the items you recommended from B&H Photo so I can start using my AT-822 with my Canon XH-A1: Quote:
My used K-Tek | KE-110CCR Avalon Series Aluminum Boompole | KE-110CCR has arrived but I'm not sure how soon I can use it since I haven't gotten all the pieces I need. I'm pretty sure I'm going to go with the NTG-2 for the mic as per your suggestion. Also, I have the Sony MZ-RH1 Hi-MD Minidisc recorder to record into. But still need to sort out the windjammer & mount questions (I've gotten good advice over here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/all-thing...tml#post945852 ). Between the mic, the windjammer, and the mount, I might be looking at a bit of pricey purchase so I may look to get this gradually. I also think I need to get a windscreen for my AT-822 because the used one I bought hadn't come with one. And on a unrelated to audio note, still need a bag for my camera.
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Yep, the NTG-2 shotgun will be great. Mostly you don't use your AT822 on your camera while you're using the NTG-2 on your boom. So to start with, you could use your SM4 shockmount for both. Here's the AT8120 windscreen that should come with the AT822. Audio-Technica | Foam Windscreen (Large) | AT8120 | B&H Photo It's foam and it's really only good for light breezes, you need a deadcat type for big winds outdoors. I have this RODE, it looks big but it does block wind much better than the AT8120 and it fits the AT822. Start with this but eventually get both. RØDE Microphones - DeadKitten Later you could consider the RODE WS-6 windscreen for your NTG-2. It (and the WS7) are the next best wind protection after my RODE Blimp and Rycote Zeppelin. Set the A1 up, with your boom and pace out the average mic cable length you need, always overestimate. I'd get red (so you notice it) coloured Canare brand. BTW at BnH log in to run up a cart, it'll stay longer before being deleted through not using it for a while. You can slowly stock it. Cheers. |
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I found that the Rode Dead Cat is not very effective at cutting out wind noise. It's better than the std foam pop-shield (which is for indoor use only!), but not much. The next step up is the Rycote Softie, which is a more complex foam shield, containing large air spaces, covered in short-haired fur. You can get them by themselves or integrated with a shock-mount and pistol grip. This is good in a moderate breeze. I use one on my NTG-1 with an extra layer of furry material around it, which I made myself with material from a craft shop. It's just sewn into a rough sausage shape about 1 inch larger diameter than the softie. This gives enough calm air space around the mic for most situations in the UK. The be fully protected, you need a proper basket ("zepplin"), but they are usually too large to mount on-camera, which I need to do most of the time.
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